With it looking pretty unlikely that the Giants end up with the first pick, the best case scenario would be for the Niners to have the pick and also give Garoppolo a big money contract.
If that's the case, San Fran will be looking to deal away the first pick and recoup the early 2nd round pick they gave up for Garoppolo. That's where the Giants come in. They may not have the ammo that the Browns do when it comes to trading up, but it's possible that Rosen could scare off the Browns by saying he won't sign with them if they pull off the trade. The Giants could then give the Niners this year's #1 and #2 and next year's #2 (or next year's #1 if the Giants win enough games this year that they aren't drafting in the top five).
I know many of you (if not most of you) will be against such a move, saying the Giants are better off trading down and selecting players who can help Eli get the Giants back to the Super Bowl or taking one of the other highly regarded QBs. I understand that logic. It's the same logic that says the Giants would've been better off trading down with the Browns (I think that was the team) and selecting Roethlisberger with the later pick while at the same time picking up an extra early 2nd rounder.
And that's a fair argument, because it's possible the Giants could've been even more successful with Roethlisbeger behind center than they were with Eli. But when I look at and read about Darnold, Mayfield, and Allen, I see flaws in their game that may or may not be correctable. You can't just assume a player will develop. Rosen is just 20 years old and already his mechanics, his poise in the pocket, his ability to easily go through his progressions in a pro style offense, it's all there.
Nothing short of Injuries is going to stop Rosen from being an elite NFL QB. I can't say that about any of the others with the same confidence and in today's QB-driven league that's enough of a difference to want to sacrifice picks rather than pick up additional ones. And I don't believe for a second that it means sabotaging their chances at a return to the Super Bowl under Eli. It's not more draft picks that Eli needs from management, it's only a couple or three free agents and better luck in the health department. If OBJ hadn't hurt his ankle in the preseason, this season might have gone very differently.
The Giants are in the unique position of sitting a future Hall of Fame QB for two years while another future Hall of Fame QB leads the Giants to the Super Bowl (and three Super Bowl MVP performances should be enough to get him into the Hall despite not especially great career statistics). They should do everything they can to make it happen. Of course, if Cleveland should have the first pick, Rosen will be their choice and there isn't a trade offer imaginable that could change that (other than a declaration by Rosen that he will re-enter the draft in 2019 rather than sign with them).
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So I agree if Giants are in position to do so, they should make every effort to secure the next franchise quarterback.
But, I think Darnold and Allen might be that answer as well.
Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen all seem to have a lot it talent with Rosen being the purest more pro ready if the group, but I think Darnold would be a better choice in terms of potential and growth. Eli will still be here at least 1 or 2 years so Darnold could grow and learn for a couple years.
If NYG stays at pick 3 Darnold could fall right to them or They get to choose between Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.
Stay put.
Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen all seem to have a lot it talent with Rosen being the purest more pro ready if the group, but I think Darnold would be a better choice in terms of potential and growth. Eli will still be here at least 1 or 2 years so Darnold could grow and learn for a couple years.
If NYG stays at pick 3 Darnold could fall right to them or They get to choose between Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.
Stay put.
Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen all seem to have a lot it talent with Rosen being the purest more pro ready if the group, but I think Darnold would be a better choice in terms of potential and growth. Eli will still be here at least 1 or 2 years so Darnold could grow and learn for a couple years.
If NYG stays at pick 3 Darnold could fall right to them or They get to choose between Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.
Stay put.
You're right it doesn't necessarily preclude them, but the odds are they get a deal done with Jimmy G.
As a worst case scenario, they can slap the franchise tag on him for a year, then watch how he performs.
That gives them a better feel, whether they want to hitch their wagons to him long term.
That's kind of silly, don't you think? They just gave up a 2nd round pick which will almost certainly land in the 33-35 range and will likely either franchise or sign JG to a long-term deal in the offseason. The chances of SF taking a QB at the top of the draft are incredibly remote. I'd put the odds at less than 1%.
That said, what is possible is that SF could trade out of their spot to a team looking for a QB, just like they did last year.
But also a call back to 2004 we could stay put and take Darnold or Allen and maybe fine as well.
Depends on how these guys grade out, and having Eli we dont have to have the guy thats ready day 1, could take Allen and develop him
Joe Montana and Steve Young say "Hi". So would Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, if Corey Webster hadn't cut in.
Yeah - we know what you meant. It's highly unusual. It's also highly unlikely to happen here.
Anyway, my view is that trade-ups and trade-downs belong in completely separate discussions, because in principle they make sense in opposite scenarios: you trade up because you really want a particular player; you trade down because you don't. If the Giants absolutely love one of the QBs, and figure to miss out on him, they should explore trading up. But there's no way for us to know whether they have that kind of man-crush, except maybe in hindsight - and probably not even then, unless they actually pull the trigger on a trade.
With that said, the QB position cannot be forced. Eli is still in the 12-16 range in the NFL and he doesn’t keep us from winning.
The problem is that we have no idea what the Steelers - or anyone else - might have done once the Giants started moving down. There's no telling where Rivers might have wound up, and we don't know what role the League office played in protecting the Chargers. We can't even assume San Diego would have picked Manning if the NYG trade hadn't been imminent. As much as I disliked the way Accorsi played his hand at that draft, his basic point is a pretty good one: Manning was his guy, and he wasn't going to risk losing him - even if the risk was small and the upside somewhat attractive.
They will either have to sell the farm for number one overall or look elsewhere.
Its possible to get an OT (ND or UT guy), a G (ND guy), or Barkley, and still get Allen (for example) in Rd 2. Now that would be great, let Allen and Webb battle it out behind an improved line.
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The Giants are in the unique position of sitting a future Hall of Fame QB for two years while another future Hall of Fame QB leads the Giants to the Super Bowl.
Joe Montana and Steve Young say "Hi". So would Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, if Corey Webster hadn't cut in.
Yeah - we know what you meant. It's highly unusual.
+1
Trading down isn't some sure science where you can say a guy will still be there.
I wouldn't mind a trade up for a QB. This is the year to do it.
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that's too much to give up for a guy who doesn't even seem like a 100% sure thing. The Giants second rounder will almost be like a late first. They're better off going elsewhere with the first round pick and being able to use their second rounder. Adding a pick next year is just madness. If it took all that to trade up a few spots for a QB, I'll pass. They better be the next Manning for that kind of deal.
Other than his history of injuries, I think he's a better prospect than Manning was when he entered the draft.
I disagree there. Eli was as close to a sure thing as a qb prospect can be. He had all the attributes one can look for. Ok fine Rosen has a slightly better arm but Eli's arm was never in question and he had the pedigree and more productive collegiate career and it's not even close. Eli played in the sec and carried ole miss. Cmon now...
False. No way is the difference of opinion that stark. It's closer to 50-50.
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You do realize 9 out of 10 nfl scouts would take Darnold over Rosen. I like Rosen but his upside is less than darnold
False. No way is the difference of opinion that stark. It's closer to 50-50.