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When did taking a knee to end the game start?

mvftw : 11/23/2017 5:56 pm
I know it didn’t happen when I was a kid. They used to run a play like qb keeper. Was taking a knee done when the Giants had the ‘fumble’?
Yes...That was the problem.  
Jim in Tampa : 11/23/2017 6:03 pm : link
Taking a knee WAS done at that time (and for as long as I can remember) and the Giants chose to run a play instead.

I believe the story goes that they had in fact taken a knee on the play before and a defensive player hit Joe Pisser. The Giants didn't want to see him get hit again, so they called a hand off to Csonka.
The History section of the Wiki  
Diver_Down : 11/23/2017 6:12 pm : link
gives credence to the origination of the Quarterback Kneel as a result of the Fumble.
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mvftw : 11/23/2017 6:20 pm : link
That’s what I’m talking about is the Victory formation. I didn’t think it was around then.
I think it became the norm as a result of the fumble  
steve in ky : 11/23/2017 7:17 pm : link
Teams used to routinely run it to run out the clock.
RE: I think it became the norm as a result of the fumble  
Jim in Tampa : 11/23/2017 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13702246 steve in ky said:
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Teams used to routinely run it to run out the clock.


Sorry, but if teams used to run the ball instead of "taking a knee" to run out the clock when the game was in hand, then there wouldn't have been such an uproar about "the fumble". In fact I remember at the time everyone being incredulous that the Giants had the game won because all they had to do was take a knee.

The NFL likely changed the rule so that the defense couldn't hit a QB for taking a knee at the end of the game...and the play was then named victory formation. But taking a knee is some form was around a lot earlier.
Jim  
steve in ky : 11/23/2017 7:52 pm : link
I probably wasn't clear. I am not saying teams never took a knee prior to that, but as I remember it you also saw teams routinely running the ball to kill the last moment. After the fumble it because the norm to always take a knee. That play probably made a harsh impression on every coach and OC in the league.
IIRC,  
an_idol_mind : 11/23/2017 7:56 pm : link
taking a knee was common enough, but after the Fumble the victory formation with players in the backfield specifically looking to recover a fumble became a thing. Prior to that, it was basically a QB sneak where the QB would give himself up immediately.
Jim  
steve in ky : 11/23/2017 7:58 pm : link
And the more I think about it I think you hit on a large part of it. At some point they stopped allowing defenders to hit the QB on that play. The reason team would still often run the ball is because the QB's used to take some real shots when being "downed" when taking a knee. Handing it off to a sure handed rb avoided that. Remember how the players would huddle around trying to protect the QB when taking a knee?
Teams used to run the ball up the middle as much as just take a knee  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2017 11:58 pm : link
before the fumble. It really wasn't considered an issue either way. After the fumble teams only starting going to the victory formation at the end of games. Also, even before the fumble teams have the QB just fall, they didn't have a player 15 yards deep "just in case". After the fumble they did, which has now evolved it the Victory formation with additional players surrounding the QB.

So The Fumble changed a lot.
Sources tell me  
Giants_ROK : 11/23/2017 11:59 pm : link
that the 2017 Giants are considering taking a knee to start the game.
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