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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2017 11:30 pm
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Another game in the soon to be unforgettable  
TommytheElephant : 11/23/2017 11:31 pm : link
2017 Giants season
Forgettable*  
TommytheElephant : 11/23/2017 11:32 pm : link
Im fucking over tired
Sam Darnold  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2017 11:32 pm : link
Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield. See you soon.
Tonight was more clarity..  
Sean : 11/23/2017 11:33 pm : link
this will be a complete tear down.

2-9, only 5 more to get through.
I shudder to think what the Eagles are going to do to us  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2017 11:34 pm : link
.
Good , keep losing!!!!!  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/23/2017 11:35 pm : link
1 8:30 game next year !!!! We
Chiefs should be ashamed of themselves.  
bceagle05 : 11/23/2017 11:35 pm : link
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It's games like this that make me scream out...  
M.S. : 11/23/2017 11:36 pm : link
...that Eli needs to get the fuck out of the NFL.
6 first downs and 147 yards of offense vs this shitty defense  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2017 11:36 pm : link
.
After the KC game: "what if they win out?"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2017 11:36 pm : link
Back to reality  
The_Boss : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
Papa giving the offensive rankings since the start of 2016...only the fucking Browns are worse.
That offensive performance brings me back to the 1970's  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
Now all you youngsters know what it felt like. Decent defense, horrible offense, lots of embarrassing losses.
Webb wouldn't have been  
CT Charlie : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
worse than Eli, but all those drops might've messed with his mind.
I never thought I 'd say this,  
Doomster : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...
People who want to lose for draft picks...  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
are forgetting that the person making those picks is the same knucklehead who assembled this current team.
I want Reese fired NOW!
The  
AcidTest : 11/23/2017 11:37 pm : link
simple truth is that we've seen far too many offensive performances like this, including last week against KC. This team can't move the ball. At all. Yes, there are injuries, but are doing nothing on offense. A good coach would have done something at halftime, especially considering how well the defense was play.

Eli and Evan were terrible. Eli missed a lot of throws, and Engram had a lot of drops. We can't run a screen. Some of that is on Eli.

I still think Eli makes some gorgeous throws, but he has a lot of misses, and zero mobility. I know he's missing his top WRs, and has a porous OL, but the offense is stagnant. He'll be the starter in 2018, but that might well be his last year.
Lets look at the positive,  
Simms11 : 11/23/2017 11:38 pm : link
theres only 5 games left this year! How brutal this year has been. Brutal football by this team, possibly worst in the league! How a Head Coach could possibly keep his job after this type of season is ridiculous, especially a guy whos supposed to be an offensive guy. The offense is perhaps the worst its been in 40 years! Injuries are a factor, but they have no answers to adjust.
That Last Throw Was a Joke  
Bernie : 11/23/2017 11:38 pm : link
but Eli gets zero help
What a complete  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/23/2017 11:39 pm : link
Fucking blow job this team is
Offense played like  
section125 : 11/23/2017 11:39 pm : link
they didn't care. and some bad calls or missing calls and they were back to normal.

Bad drops, bad throws, bad game planning....
Great loss!!!  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/23/2017 11:39 pm : link
Keep em coming!!!
RE: I never thought I 'd say this,  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/23/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13703148 Doomster said:
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...


Who can blame him? His lousy receivers can't catch the ball when he puts it right in their hands! He's probably pissed off, but has so much class that he won't throw anyone under the bus.
The  
AcidTest : 11/23/2017 11:40 pm : link
injuries do not excuse an offense this bad. There is no excuse.
Somehow I don't think I'm gonna stay up  
CT Charlie : 11/23/2017 11:40 pm : link
for the pressers.
...  
christian : 11/23/2017 11:40 pm : link
Everything is wrong with the offense.

Without Beckham it's an insult to shit to call this offense shit.

The QB sucks, the WRs suck, the line majorly sucks, and the dip shit with his head dipped in lube really sucks.
McAdoos offense has been putrid  
Reb8thVA : 11/23/2017 11:41 pm : link
Since Coughlin was fired. The guy was hired because he was an offensive genius. We cant score more than 14 points.
Should be post-mortem discussion.  
Giants_ROK : 11/23/2017 11:41 pm : link
This offense stinks like a rotting corpse.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2017 11:42 pm : link
We had SEVEN first downs. SEVEN!
RE: What a complete  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:42 pm : link
In comment 13703159 I Love Clams Casino said:
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Fucking blow job this team is


WTF? Why would you insult something as wonderful as blowjobs that way?
McAdoo will get fired..  
Sean : 11/23/2017 11:42 pm : link
Never being able to have his choice of QB.
It's a joke that the Maras are even considering bringing anyone back  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/23/2017 11:42 pm : link
at the end of the season. And, by some miracle, if these incompetent owners have decided that enough is enough and are going to make changes, what's the point of keeping Reese around? I understand keeping McAdoo around but there is absolutely no reason to keep Reese around.
how do you run an  
bc4life : 11/23/2017 11:43 pm : link
offense with offensive tackles like that. They made Kerrigan look like Reggie White.

Don't see how Wheeler could play worse than Flowers.

RE: ...  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2017 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13703181 Eric from BBI said:
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We had SEVEN first downs. SEVEN!


SIX
We would be so much better off if Eli just said he quits  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2017 11:43 pm : link
nobody is playing hard for him and he is completely lifeless.

Please lord...make it stop. And put in Webb.
Even  
AcidTest : 11/23/2017 11:43 pm : link
with Beckham, we were 0-5. And there were few big plays last year, unless Beckham caught a 10 yard slant and took it for a TD.

We have to clean house.
Maybe Eli's "class" is why he throws behind the legs of open receivers  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
It couldn't possibly be that he's just not a good quarterback any more
This just in,  
Doomster : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
Mara replaces Mac with the kid in the stands.....reason? Better hair....
Not sure what's worse  
B in ALB : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
The Giants fuck bitch performance tonight or Jeff Feagles tie/jacket combo on the post game. Holy shit. What a disaster this has been.

SAD!
Huge slam on BJs for no reason  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
Not cool.
RE: The  
The_Boss : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13703169 AcidTest said:
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injuries do not excuse an offense this bad. There is no excuse.


Since the start of 2016, only the Browns score less.
RE: McAdoos offense has been putrid  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13703175 Reb8thVA said:
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Since Coughlin was fired. The guy was hired because he was an offensive genius. We cant score more than 14 points.


This is absolutely correct. IMO the offense sucks because of the scheme (Whatever it is) more than the talent.

With a new coach and OBJ/FLuker/Pugh back it would be much better.
He is a dead QB. He has no life.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2017 11:45 pm : link
And this team is lifeless because of it.

I don't want to put the blame just on him, but that is the position that has to change to make this better...
Fire everyone  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:46 pm : link
RE: Even  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2017 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13703193 AcidTest said:
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with Beckham, we were 0-5. And there were few big plays last year, unless Beckham caught a 10 yard slant and took it for a TD.


Just having that as a potential outcome to a play made it a better offense than this trash. He closed out that Ravens win last season and a couple others that way too. They went from one good trick to none.
Clean house  
bc4life : 11/23/2017 11:46 pm : link
no. Major rehab - yes.

Scouting department and Reese gone.

Worst part of this is the OLine. And they need a pass rushing Defensive End.

RE: Maybe Eli's  
christian : 11/23/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13703195 Greg from LI said:
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It couldn't possibly be that he's just not a good quarterback any more


Oh come on Greg, it's common knowledge Eli's class can will victories. It's basically a time machine plus hocus-pocus.
RE: ...  
Giants86 : 11/23/2017 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13703181 Eric from BBI said:
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We had SEVEN first downs. SEVEN!


Against that defense..... mind boggling
RE: I never thought I 'd say this,  
Rjanyg : 11/23/2017 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13703148 Doomster said:
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...


Does anyone think that there is a game plan to not throw the ball down field, to run the ball and keep managable 3rd downs, kinda like the last 4 weeks? Eli's best receiver had 3 drops and is a rookie. Everyone else is kinda lucky to be in the NFL.

Can we have a little perspective on the situation. Geesh!
Enough about the fucking OL  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:48 pm : link
Is it good? No, but at this point I don't think it's the primary reason the offense is so revoltingly bad.
This game  
old man : 11/23/2017 11:49 pm : link
Was the anti-KC game.
What was Sullivan doing? Short passes played right into their D.

PLUS: The conditioning of our players is poor. As the 2nd half went on our Lines were growingly gassed...except for Snacks. OTackles toasted in the 4th, rest not much better.
WRs covered.

The Giants need to play Davis Webb, to see what they have in him  
GeofromNJ : 11/23/2017 11:50 pm : link
Continue to start Eli to keep his string alive, but let's see what Webb can do. I don't want to hear about his getting killed behind this line. He's a football player and he'll survive.
Tough to judge Eli  
bc4life : 11/23/2017 11:50 pm : link
OLine is a sieve. No running game and he has one serious wr, who happens to be a TE. He is not that mobile - you have to give him some semblance of a running game and a little time to throw.
Really enjoyed the way Eli elevated the game...  
M.S. : 11/23/2017 11:50 pm : link
...of those around him tonight.

I could really feel the energy through the TV screen.
RE: RE: I never thought I 'd say this,  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2017 11:50 pm : link
In comment 13703166 Fishmanjim57 said:
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In comment 13703148 Doomster said:


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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...



Who can blame him? His lousy receivers can't catch the ball when he puts it right in their hands! He's probably pissed off, but has so much class that he won't throw anyone under the bus.


Why is this an acceptable excuse for the guy who is supposed to be the leader?
I  
AcidTest : 11/23/2017 11:52 pm : link
would have liked to see us try and run Gallman wide more, especially to the right side. Maybe play action to Adams, since nobody expect us to throw to him.
RE: Tough to judge Eli  
christian : 11/23/2017 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13703240 bc4life said:
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OLine is a sieve. No running game and he has one serious wr, who happens to be a TE. He is not that mobile - you have to give him some semblance of a running game and a little time to throw.


The problem is this year when there was a decent running game and a little better protection, he still looked very average.
No more sharing the blame. Either this QB  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2017 11:53 pm : link
lifts them up or he should sit his ass on the bench.

And if the next guy can't do more than we are no worse of...
RE: This game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2017 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13703233 old man said:
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PLUS: The conditioning of our players is poor.


That's not fair. They play an inordinate amount of snaps because the offense can't stay on the field.

The offense had run 12 plays in the second half when Cousins threw his second TD. There's no amount of conditioning that makes the amount of plays this defense has to play a sustainable thing.
when did they have a decent running  
bc4life : 11/23/2017 11:54 pm : link
game? What did they have a 100 yard back maybe one or two games?
I counted at least 3 times.....  
UticaMike : 11/23/2017 11:54 pm : link
Tavarres King appeared to run the wrong route tonight.
RE: Tough to judge Eli  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/23/2017 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13703240 bc4life said:
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OLine is a sieve. No running game and he has one serious wr, who happens to be a TE. He is not that mobile - you have to give him some semblance of a running game and a little time to throw.


No, it's not.
Why is everyone complaining?  
OldPolack : 11/23/2017 11:54 pm : link
The Giants were 7 1/2 points underdog
and they almost covered.
The Giants are playing their best ball right now.  
djm : 11/23/2017 11:54 pm : link
I don't think there is any question the Giants haven't played any better than the last two weeks. And they scored 3 offensive points tonight and how many last week? Single digits?

They have been so bad this year that bad looks good. Think about that.

The only reason this team doesn't resemble the 1980 saints is the D has a lot of talent and there's a borderline hot qb behind center. The coaching and direction all year has been unspeakably terrible. Just hang in there everyone... take the pain... we are almost done. Then pray the Giants "panic." Panic can be a good thing.
Hey Coach Did the team practice well this week? Coach being stubborn  
plato : 11/23/2017 11:55 pm : link
Is not the same as being smart. You need a better plan at lb'er, especially with injuries. You need a football smart GM. Have you read what honorable Japanese off icers do when they consitently lose? DO IT!
RE: ...  
micky : 11/23/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13703181 Eric from BBI said:
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We had SEVEN first downs. SEVEN!


woot woot!!
RE: Huge slam on BJs for no reason  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/23/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13703201 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Not cool.


Seriously, Id take a terrible blow job over watching this team any day.
RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2017 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13703181 Eric from BBI said:
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We had SEVEN first downs. SEVEN!


Its almost embarrassing that the Redskins couldn't stop those...
That top pick is looking more and more likely  
dpinzow : 11/23/2017 11:57 pm : link
I guess it is for the best
At least I got to see the Cowboys get humiliated at home  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:57 pm : link
And UVA hoops destroyed Vanderbilt, so, day wasn't a total loss.
You know,  
Giants_ROK : 11/23/2017 11:58 pm : link
it's okay to watch the game and get a blow job at the same time.

RE: You know,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13703268 Giants_ROK said:
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it's okay to watch the game and get a blow job at the same time.


This team could find a way to ruin even that.
RE: You know,  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13703268 Giants_ROK said:
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it's okay to watch the game and get a blow job at the same time.


That's the only way a Giants game is enjoyable these days
Is Dak done too?  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2017 11:59 pm : link
The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.
Exhibit A for blowing it up  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/24/2017 12:00 am : link
starting with the General Manager.
RE: Is Dak done too?  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:01 am : link
In comment 13703273 trueblueinpw said:
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.


How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?
It's not that tough  
hassan : 11/24/2017 12:01 am : link
To judge Eli.

His defenders claim just give him an above average line running game and receivers. 25 qbs can succeed with that in this league.

And if the problem is everyone around him this means it's not going to happen timely enough for Eli to demonstrate he can still play. And how long does that last? He set up for a good 2019?

It's time to be done and move on. He's had a great career he's a great guy. he's rich as hell and has a beautiful wife and family and a life I would kill for.

So no he doesn't deserve a Better ending and I don't feel bad for him. It's clear he's done.

Mac is done and reese is done too. Almost all agree on that. But the Eli cult here has to get real and realize he has to be done too.
RE: Is Dak done too?  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13703273 trueblueinpw said:
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.


Oh fuck off. No one makes Eli fire passes into the ground but Eli.

If your yardstick for Eli is Dak fucking Prescott, then I don't know what else to say to you.
Eli  
AcidTest : 11/24/2017 12:02 am : link
having journeymen receivers does not excuse him missing all those short passes and screens.
If the NYG won wouldnt half of this board be upset?  
The_Boss : 11/24/2017 12:02 am : link
I realize its torture watching this product now, but the long term viability of this franchise is predicated on losing these types of games moving forward. It is imperative that Jerry Reese and McAdoo are toast in 6 weeks.
Eli has no help  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:04 am : link
I mean none and the giants lead the league in drops. If Eli is going to be the q.v. next year playing Webb makes no sense. To me, if you play Webb now, you have to move on from eli moving forward next season. I don't think that's the plan.
Engram  
AcidTest : 11/24/2017 12:04 am : link
having more drops than any other TE also reflects badly on Reese.
RE: RE: Is Dak done too?  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13703277 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13703273 trueblueinpw said:


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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?


Ok, how about it?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2017 12:05 am : link
The Giants did not gain a first down on 8 of their 12 possessions (not counting the kneel down before the first half).

Four of their seven first downs came on the FG drive. They gained one first down on three other drives.
RE: RE: RE: Is Dak done too?  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13703289 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 13703273 trueblueinpw said:


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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?


Enjoy your denial.
Jtgiants  
hassan : 11/24/2017 12:06 am : link
Don't be surprised if they move on. He may start but get the yank very early in 18.
RE: Is Dak done too?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 12:06 am : link
In comment 13703273 trueblueinpw said:
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game


If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Is Dak done too?  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:07 am : link
In comment 13703292 Dave in Hoboken said:
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?



Enjoy your denial.


Enjoy your bafoonic head coach.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Is Dak done too?  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13703297 trueblueinpw said:
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?



Enjoy your denial.



Enjoy your bafoonic head coach.


They're not mutually exclusive, genius..
Do we really think  
Reb8thVA : 11/24/2017 12:08 am : link
These receivers will run routes deeper than 3 yards or hang on to the ball for another QB? Will we suddenly be able to rush for more than a 100 yards for another QB? Seems like there are a lot deeper issues at play here
RE: Engram  
The_Boss : 11/24/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13703287 AcidTest said:
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having more drops than any other TE also reflects badly on Reese.


So does Flowers, Apple, poor FA OL, and a portfolio of failed picks in rounds 3-7 during his tenure.

The guy has to go.
RE: RE: Is Dak done too?  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13703294 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game



If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.


No one in this thread said Elis done?
RE: I never thought I 'd say this,  
B in ALB : 11/24/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13703148 Doomster said:
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...


Eli doesn't care anymore?

It doesn't look like there's any fire in his body? (What the fuck does that mean?)

Why even try?

After a decade plus, two Super Bowls and a multitude of amazing plays and memories, he doesn't care? He's not trying?

Holy fucking shit. What an awesome fan you are.

He makes mistakes. He's struggling with this shit offensive unit. And his coach is a complete fucking joke.

But Eli cares. He prepares as well and as hard as he can.

Your post is watery shit.
Hassan  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:09 am : link
No way. You may be right, they may move on, but they wouldnt blindside eli. They would be honest and release him before it got to that point. I don't see it going down that way though
RE: Is Dak done too?  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2017 12:10 am : link
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.


If you cant see why this comparison makes no sense, its not going to be with the discussion
RE: Enough about the fucking OL  
WillVAB : 11/24/2017 12:10 am : link
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Is it good? No, but at this point I don't think it's the primary reason the offense is so revoltingly bad.


The scheme, OL, RBs, and WRs are strike replacement player caliber talent.
They were struggling on offense before the injuries..  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:11 am : link
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RE: Eli has no help  
Rjanyg : 11/24/2017 12:11 am : link
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I mean none and the giants lead the league in drops. If Eli is going to be the q.v. next year playing Webb makes no sense. To me, if you play Webb now, you have to move on from eli moving forward next season. I don't think that's the plan.


JT, don't waste your time. They expect Eli to be perfect, even with the 8th combination of OL and street FA for WR.

RE: Really enjoyed the way Eli elevated the game...  
WillVAB : 11/24/2017 12:11 am : link
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...of those around him tonight.

I could really feel the energy through the TV screen.


Just like Dak this year or Wentz last year.
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:11 am : link
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I mean none and the giants lead the league in drops. If Eli is going to be the q.v. next year playing Webb makes no sense. To me, if you play Webb now, you have to move on from eli moving forward next season. I don't think that's the plan.



JT, don't waste your time. They expect Eli to be perfect, even with the 8th combination of OL and street FA for WR.


Perfect...?

This guy is kidding, right?
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:12 am : link
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...of those around him tonight.

I could really feel the energy through the TV screen.



Just like Dak this year or Wentz last year.


Eli isn't a rookie or 2nd year QB..
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:12 am : link
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?



Enjoy your denial.



Enjoy your bafoonic head coach.



They're not mutually exclusive, genius..


You gonna make a point here Dave or did you just drop by to shit on me? What does theyre not mutually exclusive mean anyway? You mean Eli and McAdoo suck? How about we try to get a real head coach in here before we get rid of Eli?
Jt  
hassan : 11/24/2017 12:12 am : link
They can't cut him without a big hit and they will probably not start a rookie. But if they continue to be bad on o they may have no choice. They won't blindside him but they can't lose another season stubbornly. He will get another shot with a new coach but tr leash may be short.....
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:13 am : link
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?



Enjoy your denial.



Enjoy your bafoonic head coach.



They're not mutually exclusive, genius..



You gonna make a point here Dave or did you just drop by to shit on me? What does theyre not mutually exclusive mean anyway? You mean Eli and McAdoo suck? How about we try to get a real head coach in here before we get rid of Eli?


Wow. Yes. They can both suck. And they both do. And no. Eli is 2 months away from 37. How about we get both?
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Rjanyg : 11/24/2017 12:13 am : link
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...



Eli doesn't care anymore?

It doesn't look like there's any fire in his body? (What the fuck does that mean?)

Why even try?

After a decade plus, two Super Bowls and a multitude of amazing plays and memories, he doesn't care? He's not trying?

Holy fucking shit. What an awesome fan you are.

He makes mistakes. He's struggling with this shit offensive unit. And his coach is a complete fucking joke.

But Eli cares. He prepares as well and as hard as he can.

Your post is watery shit.


Perfect reply to Doomster. Wth do people expect with the crap Eli is working with
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:14 am : link
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...



Eli doesn't care anymore?

It doesn't look like there's any fire in his body? (What the fuck does that mean?)

Why even try?

After a decade plus, two Super Bowls and a multitude of amazing plays and memories, he doesn't care? He's not trying?

Holy fucking shit. What an awesome fan you are.

He makes mistakes. He's struggling with this shit offensive unit. And his coach is a complete fucking joke.

But Eli cares. He prepares as well and as hard as he can.

Your post is watery shit.



Perfect reply to Doomster. Wth do people expect with the crap Eli is working with


To be able to complete a screen pass, for starters.
Dave  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:14 am : link
If you don't think having 8 opine combos,none of your top playmakers, and lead the leagues in dropped passes isn't the reason for the offenses lack of functionality I don't know what to say
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:15 am : link
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#Giants will threaten to finish this year with the fewest points scored in a single season in franchise history. Currently 237 in 1979.
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:17 am : link
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The NFL golden boy Dak had a pretty rough day. See, all of the sudden he doesnt have an All Pro RB and he doesnt look so good even with that all world offensive line and Dez and HOF TE. Yeah, sure, he can still run around but no running back kind of has an impact.

But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game with lousy running backs, a for shit offensive line, WRs off the practice squad and a first round draft pick that cant catch the ball when it hits him in the hands and the least creative coaching staff in the NFL. Yeah, Elis done.



How about the fact that the offense hasn't scored 30 points since the 2015 season?



Ok, how about it?



Enjoy your denial.



Enjoy your bafoonic head coach.



They're not mutually exclusive, genius..



You gonna make a point here Dave or did you just drop by to shit on me? What does theyre not mutually exclusive mean anyway? You mean Eli and McAdoo suck? How about we try to get a real head coach in here before we get rid of Eli?



Wow. Yes. They can both suck. And they both do. And no. Eli is 2 months away from 37. How about we get both?


Wow. Yes. Why didnt I think of that? Well draft the next Aaron Rodgers and well sign the next Bill Belichick and then well awesome! Youre right Dave, you really are the genius here.
Hassan  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:18 am : link
Ok. I could see that however with health next year I dont think the offense will have these issues but it will be interesting to see what Mara decides to do here.
So many idiots  
WillVAB : 11/24/2017 12:19 am : link
QBs arent messiahs who can magically turn shit into good.

You could put any QB in the league in this offense and it would look the same.

If the coach says run this shitty play with these shitty players, you think a QB is going to change the predictably shitty outcome?

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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:20 am : link
Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.
Idiots are people who want to stick with what hasn't worked  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:20 am : link
in 2 seasons and keep with it.
Whats more concerning to me  
WillVAB : 11/24/2017 12:22 am : link
Is the OL next year. Flowers and Wheeler look like shit. Jones looks like a guy who can be decent as a fill in for a few games and thats it.

This team realistically may have to replace 5 starting OL for the 18 season.
Dave in the biggest  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:22 am : link
Game we played last year in green bay eli was our b eat player. He can still play if he has tools to work with. He has nothing to work with now
RE: Dave in the biggest  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:23 am : link
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Game we played last year in green bay eli was our b eat player. He can still play if he has tools to work with. He has nothing to work with now


A one game sample in the last 30 games or so. Stop. And he's only going to be another year older. He can start while we groom the new QB, but he isn't the QB of the future and it's time for a complete rebuild.
RE: So many idiots  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2017 12:29 am : link
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QBs arent messiahs who can magically turn shit into good.

You could put any QB in the league in this offense and it would look the same.

If the coach says run this shitty play with these shitty players, you think a QB is going to change the predictably shitty outcome?


Thats weird. This board says you shouldnt since money into your really talented skill position players. Which one is it?
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:29 am : link
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.


I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.
Dave all I'm saying  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:30 am : link
Is eli can still win games in this league and I think he still will
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:31 am : link
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.



I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.


He can start another year while we groom the future QB. But he's not the answer, and no more short term fixes to get one more with Eli.
RE: Dave all I'm saying  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2017 12:32 am : link
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Is eli can still win games in this league and I think he still will


All alot of people are saying is that they disagree.
It wasn't just drops  
yalebowl : 11/24/2017 12:32 am : link
The receivers were not running their routes to where Eli expected them to be. Eli's problem for whatever reason cannot throw a short pass. There were at least a few missings to wide open receivers too.

My take on this is that is was a Thursday night game and that is a killer for both teams and more so for the visitors.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 12:33 am : link
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game



If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.



No one in this thread said Elis done?


Don't be intentionally obnoxious. Nobody is saying they expected him to be perfect. He's never been close to that and nobody's asking him to perform miracles. There's an in-between from bad to perfect.

Dave  
jtgiants : 11/24/2017 12:36 am : link
I respect your opinion. Its ok to disagree. Were all frustrated. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do moving forward this offseason
THE COACHING STAFF IS THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE  
NikkiMac : 11/24/2017 12:36 am : link
And Eli has the worst body language of any QB out there Giants really need to see what Webb has it will be 2 years before they can put a strong enough line for Eli and hes a bad fit for this WCO anyway !!!
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:36 am : link
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.



I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.



He can start another year while we groom the future QB. But he's not the answer, and no more short term fixes to get one more with Eli.


Agree! Only a moron wouldnt draft a potential franchise QB w/ our top 3 pick. But its a fucking shame because Eli can still do his job. Did you see Rivers today? Hes not done. QBs can play past 37. And Eli doesnt have the serious injuries that some of these other guys have had. Its a fuckin shame. Anyway, lets leave at that - no more short term fixes - and fire McAdoo and Reese - we agree!
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2017 12:38 am : link
If you told me before the game the Giants would have six sacks and a pick-6, I would have thought they would have won.
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.



I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.



He can start another year while we groom the future QB. But he's not the answer, and no more short term fixes to get one more with Eli.



Agree! Only a moron wouldnt draft a potential franchise QB w/ our top 3 pick. But its a fucking shame because Eli can still do his job. Did you see Rivers today? Hes not done. QBs can play past 37. And Eli doesnt have the serious injuries that some of these other guys have had. Its a fuckin shame. Anyway, lets leave at that - no more short term fixes - and fire McAdoo and Reese - we agree!


Have you watched Rivers the rest of the year?
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:43 am : link
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game



If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.



No one in this thread said Elis done?



Don't be intentionally obnoxious. Nobody is saying they expected him to be perfect. He's never been close to that and nobody's asking him to perform miracles. There's an in-between from bad to perfect.


Im obnoxious because Im answering your question? Did no one say Elis done in this thread? I think at least someone did. So I made a point - that even a young buck like Dak who can make plays on the run and has a terrific O line and two future HOF ends and the amazing midget man Cole Beasley looked like cowshit today without his All Pro RB. And then you commented on my post that no one said Eli was done. So... not sure how that makes me obnoxious.
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 12:45 am : link
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Not much. Do I have to argue with too now?
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.



I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.



He can start another year while we groom the future QB. But he's not the answer, and no more short term fixes to get one more with Eli.


Why isn't Webb the future QB, and he is already being groomed.
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Nah. You're the genius. Stick with the terrible head coach and soon to be 37 year old QB who's been struggling for awhile now. And clearly, if we can't find another Rodgers or Belechick, you stick with what ISN'T working. Brilliant.



I dont want to stand pat, I want to fire the entire coaching staff and the GM and the equipment managers. You can go back and find for yourself all the posts Ive put here questioning McAdoos competence, even last year when many were mesmerized by his 11-6 record. McAdoo is lost and hes the reason the Giants offense has been horrible for well over two years now. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Before Im running Eli out of town I want to give him a real head coach and an O-co and maybe even few decent position coaches and hey - maybe even a solid LT.



He can start another year while we groom the future QB. But he's not the answer, and no more short term fixes to get one more with Eli.



Why isn't Webb the future QB, and he is already being groomed.


Because if they're drafting in the top 3, they're going to take a QB.
TTH bc4life  
Bluesbreaker : 11/24/2017 1:15 am : link
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12:38 am : link : reply
If you told me before the game the Giants would have six sacks and a pick-6, I would have thought they would have won.
Eric did they mention the 6 first downs lol
Eli will be the QB next year so you clowns that want to bash him for this abomination of an offense knock yourselves out
The talent on this team is on Reese there is nothing in terms of bench strength his drafts in the trenches are terrible he refuses to get a talented RB for this team .
How long did it take just to fix the TE position let alone this joke of an offensive line that hasn't been able to run the ball for how many years now ? There were plays last week where Darkwa would get 8-15 yards in the many backs in this league would get 25-35 yards and a few would have gone to the house .
This is the worst HC I have ever seen and whatever the hell his game plan was has not worked he got away with it last year when he wore this defense completely out with many games we lucked out easily could have been 8-8 or even 7-9 . We couldn't run or score last season either . The minute you thought Flowers was turning the corner he
got whipped by a speed rusher . One of the few hopefuls we need to work out . Two top 10 picks that to me will never live up to that status . This thing needs to be blown up I don't even want Reese in the same state of the draft we can't allow him to put us any further in the hole.
Forget MacHandley he has zero qualities his use of players his handling of players stinks . I don't care how good the talent is if you can't figure out where to play them and how to utilize them and or inspire them . Your not gonna win in this league .
The offense is the same no matter who we play there is nothing done to help a struggling Flowers you sign a FB
waste the roster spot cut him and bring him back . WTF
Adams to me should have been used much more as well as Ellison . Anointing Perkins as the starter bring zero competition in . Lets not for get the 200 million we spent on the defense from this poorly crafted team .
We got a shiny new toy in Engram and now he is being used as OBJ was because he was the only guy that could separate
Who the hell ever thought Eli Manning was a good short passer or touch passer and please with the screen game
that's laughable something that we have not been good at for quite some time . Dink and Dunk is not Eli's game the biggest mistake was not cleaning house when they let TC go
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 1:38 am : link
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If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.



No one in this thread said Elis done?



Don't be intentionally obnoxious. Nobody is saying they expected him to be perfect. He's never been close to that and nobody's asking him to perform miracles. There's an in-between from bad to perfect.




Im obnoxious because Im answering your question?


It's obnoxious to fake an argument that people are claiming he's done because he wasn't perfect. Nobody at any point is suggesting he should have been perfect.

RE: TTH bc4life  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 1:44 am : link
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Who the hell ever thought Eli Manning was a good short passer or touch passer and please with the screen game
that's laughable something that we have not been good at for quite some time . Dink and Dunk is not Eli's game the biggest mistake was not cleaning house when they let TC go


You're not the first person to use this point, but I don't understand why this even is a talking point. "good short passer" isn't some kind of special skill. It's not a high degree of difficulty thing. It's a basic function of the job. No other QB on any other team in the league would get this kind of excuse making but for Eli it passes as if people who are critical of his inability to consistently hit short passes with touch and accuracy are demanding some kind of hall of fame talent.

Those are the easy plays a QB is expected to make. It's not an exceptional thing to ask. It's expected.

Guys  
Dragon : 11/24/2017 1:49 am : link
Its an NFC East game two very bad teams playing a very physical low scoring game. Thats with a short week and multi injured players on both teams with one knowing its season has been done for weeks. The not punting late was a suspect call but the record says you have nothing to lose big surprise we did not go down field for a twenty five yard passing play or more when all we needed was I believe three yards.

Lets be honest did you really expect them to win, I was just glad to see a close game that we lost. Thats all I want to see from this point on new more 25 points or more losses. Forget all the bad numbers what we saw tonight has been going on for years no one can explain it Im positive. The defense has to allow THREE points and score six for a chance for us to win thats the team goal from now on. Now if thats the case why cant we see whats Webb capable of doing its not like the offense is working great. Eli is a good QB but also one who cant get this offense to work properly from play to play or more than one or two drives a game is it really all that hard to find another QB who can only do that?

For those of you who want to blame the GM and coaches just consider this if we change all those guys and still bring Eli back what will really have changed? Do you see someone coming in and making Eli all of a sudden mobile, accurate and a hell raiser when guys dont perform on the field. How many years in the league yet we still cant run a damn simple screen.
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trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 1:50 am : link
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game



If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.



No one in this thread said Elis done?



Don't be intentionally obnoxious. Nobody is saying they expected him to be perfect. He's never been close to that and nobody's asking him to perform miracles. There's an in-between from bad to perfect.




Im obnoxious because Im answering your question?



It's obnoxious to fake an argument that people are claiming he's done because he wasn't perfect. Nobody at any point is suggesting he should have been perfect.


I think its obnoxious to comment on my post and fail to make any sort of point whatsoever. You an all too common type around here that shit on other people without bothering to make sort of a point. Make a some kind of point or just feel free to breeze on past my post altogether.
Vereen  
Dragon : 11/24/2017 2:00 am : link
He has no future with this team and once on the field the defense knows its a passing play any idiot can figure that out. Let the other two or three backs learn Vereen will most likely not be back next year. Many will say he provides big play capabilities but we have yet to see one why keep holding the other backs from learning and see what they can and cant do.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 2:05 am : link
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But Eli? No doubt hes done because he cant play a perfect game



If you're gonna argue, at least argue things that people are actually saying.



No one in this thread said Elis done?



Don't be intentionally obnoxious. Nobody is saying they expected him to be perfect. He's never been close to that and nobody's asking him to perform miracles. There's an in-between from bad to perfect.




Im obnoxious because Im answering your question?



It's obnoxious to fake an argument that people are claiming he's done because he wasn't perfect. Nobody at any point is suggesting he should have been perfect.




I think its obnoxious to comment on my post and fail to make any sort of point whatsoever. You an all too common type around here that shit on other people without bothering to make sort of a point. Make a some kind of point or just feel free to breeze on past my post altogether.


My point is pretty simple. You just want to keep trucking along arguing things that people aren't saying so you can claim people are being unreasonable with their criticism. If that's how you choose to discuss things, then yeah, I've got no problems ignoring it going forward.
more flasbacks to 1983 Giants-Cards tie  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2017 6:24 am : link
horrible game, horrible offense, horrible design. love those 3 yd routes, so creative. UGH
Thursday night games are the worst  
jeff57 : 11/24/2017 6:34 am : link
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18E : 11/24/2017 7:25 am : link
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but watching Eli, it just looks like he doesn't care anymore....whatever edge he use to have, it's gone.....there just doesn't look like there is any fire in his body....I know the line sucks....his receivers suck.....but there were plays to be made out there by an NFL QB.....he did not make them.....not that he can't make them....it's like he has accepted that this offense is so bad, why even try...



Eli doesn't care anymore?

It doesn't look like there's any fire in his body? (What the fuck does that mean?)

Why even try?

After a decade plus, two Super Bowls and a multitude of amazing plays and memories, he doesn't care? He's not trying?

Holy fucking shit. What an awesome fan you are.

He makes mistakes. He's struggling with this shit offensive unit. And his coach is a complete fucking joke.

But Eli cares. He prepares as well and as hard as he can.

Your post is watery shit.


B in ALB what else would you expect from Doomster? He's always been an incredible piece of shit poster.
Simple math: if the Giants allow more than 10 points to score  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2017 7:30 am : link
we lose.

That is how pathetic this offense is with Eli at the helm...
B in ALB  
Doomster : 11/24/2017 7:43 am : link
"Your post is watery shit"

Typical response from you!

If you can't see the malaise in Eli's playing, you never will. He is going through the motions out of frustration, from what is happening around him.

But whether he likes it or not?, he is the leader of this offense, and this offense only goes as far as he will carry it...Yes, there are breakdowns by the OL and receivers but that doesn't justify him missing throws rookies should make.

No one is saying it's all Eli's fault, but this offense needs more out of him than he is giving.
The offense is horrific now  
Sammo85 : 11/24/2017 8:02 am : link
But its been bad stretching back to points even towards the end of the seasons two seasons ago.

Yes, some of it is OL. Some of it is injuries. Some of it is a declining QB. Some of it is Coaching and scheme.

But if any of you think its getting better by only changing one or even two of the above, thats being kind if not myopic.


Eli is not "the" problem...  
EricJ : 11/24/2017 8:38 am : link
but his limitations right now contribute to the ineffectiveness of the offense.

We will not (and should not) try to replace 10 other players on the offense to fit Eli at this point in his career. Plus, the league has changed. If you think about it... Eli, Ben and Rivers may be the last three successful QBs drafted who are not mobile. Defenses have improved and it is tough for the QB to sit back there and be highly successful. Russell Wilson has a shit OL and a shit running game. He is not a great QB but having the ability to leak out of the pocket and make some plays on the run is the only reason why that offense can move the ball at all. It does not mean ANY mobile QB will be successful. You still have to be a good QB and make smart decisions.

Now, we have Eli. He is never going to create outside of the pocket. We know his OL sucks but hey most QBs are not sitting back there with all day to throw. What we absolutely MUST get from him is consistency and accurate throws. I am FINE with you not being mobile. I am ok with the occasional interception and strip sack from you. What we cannot have is our franchise QB missing so many open WRs. Yes, there are a ridiculous number of drops right now which puts a higher level of importance on Eli's accuracy. We can expect 3rd string WRs and a rookie TE to fail at their job. We cannot have that from our franchise QB.
same old magic recipe  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2017 9:12 am : link
Irst it was fire the OC, it couldn't be worse, then its firenthe HC, it couldnt be worse and now its fire the QB, it couldnt be worse.

well, its worse and you guys are still screwing around with your magic formulas while thevreal issues are in the front office.
Since we  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 9:14 am : link
lost the Wr's have the defenses done something different covering Engram. He has totaled 58 yards combined, the last three games.
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HomerJones45 : 11/24/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13703475 Doomster said:
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"Your post is watery shit"

Typical response from you!

If you can't see the malaise in Eli's playing, you never will. He is going through the motions out of frustration, from what is happening around him.

But whether he likes it or not?, he is the leader of this offense, and this offense only goes as far as he will carry it...Yes, there are breakdowns by the OL and receivers but that doesn't justify him missing throws rookies should make.

No one is saying it's all Eli's fault, but this offense needs more out of him than he is giving.
you could put Jesus Christ at qb and this offense would be crap. Its a bad scheme with no speed. You can bet Eli is discouraged. He's been in thebLeague longer than the HC andvhe worked with Professors Gilbride and Coughlin. Now he's stuck with the slow kid fromntge back of the class. You'd be discouraged too if every week seemed a suicide mission.
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WillVAB : 11/24/2017 9:26 am : link
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but his limitations right now contribute to the ineffectiveness of the offense.

We will not (and should not) try to replace 10 other players on the offense to fit Eli at this point in his career. Plus, the league has changed. If you think about it... Eli, Ben and Rivers may be the last three successful QBs drafted who are not mobile. Defenses have improved and it is tough for the QB to sit back there and be highly successful. Russell Wilson has a shit OL and a shit running game. He is not a great QB but having the ability to leak out of the pocket and make some plays on the run is the only reason why that offense can move the ball at all. It does not mean ANY mobile QB will be successful. You still have to be a good QB and make smart decisions.

Now, we have Eli. He is never going to create outside of the pocket. We know his OL sucks but hey most QBs are not sitting back there with all day to throw. What we absolutely MUST get from him is consistency and accurate throws. I am FINE with you not being mobile. I am ok with the occasional interception and strip sack from you. What we cannot have is our franchise QB missing so many open WRs. Yes, there are a ridiculous number of drops right now which puts a higher level of importance on Eli's accuracy. We can expect 3rd string WRs and a rookie TE to fail at their job. We cannot have that from our franchise QB.


Yea and the Seahawks are a fringe playoff team at this point trending towards the outside looking in.
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