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This is the least talented Giants team I've watched

nyjuggernaut2 : 11/23/2017 11:40 pm
since I started following this team 27 years ago (I was 8 back then). Below is the starting 11 on both sides of the ball tonight, you tell me how many of these players you want back next year...

Eli
Darkwa
Smith
King
Lewis Jr
Engram
Flowers
Jerry
Jones
Hilipao
Wheeler

JPP
Snacks
Tomlinson
Vernon
Casillas
Sheperd
Kennard
Jenkins
DRC
Collins
Thompson

Offense is shit, LBs are slow as dirt, and our DEs struggle getting to the QB. Reese has put a BAD team together and has to go!
The D is good  
adamg : 11/23/2017 11:41 pm : link
The O can be rebuilt
Injuries will do that  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/23/2017 11:43 pm : link
To a team. Add in we were 2-8 heading into this game, and you hVe guys not giving a shit.
The defense is fine  
djm : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
27 years? This team is much more talented than the mid to late 90s teams. The only area of this team that is incredibly short handed is wr. They underachieve on a weekly basis. The offensive play designing is awful. Don't care how weak the WRs are you have to do better than tonight.
Defense isn't bad, and at times is good to excellent.  
CT Charlie : 11/23/2017 11:44 pm : link
The offense is terrible, and the offense is 75% of the problem with the defense. NO DEFENSE could remain aggressive and energetic when paired with such a putrid offense -- it's just not human nature.

RE: The D is good  
Simms11 : 11/23/2017 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13703179 adamg said:
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The O can be rebuilt


The D is ok. We need better LBers, FS, CB depth and another pass rushing DE, but they are keeping us in games of late.

Offense is BRUTAL. I mean the perfect storm of aging Starting QB, crappy Oline, receivers dropping balks and poor running game. Oh and the scheme sucks ass too. No creativity.
RE: The defense is fine  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/23/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13703194 djm said:
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27 years? This team is much more talented than the mid to late 90s teams. The only area of this team that is incredibly short handed is wr. They underachieve on a weekly basis. The offensive play designing is awful. Don't care how weak the WRs are you have to do better than tonight.


The mid-90s team would drop a few games where they would score 30+ points. This team this year struggles to score double digits anymore.
One pass to Ellison tonight  
djm : 11/23/2017 11:49 pm : link
No deep attempts to anyone all night. Rotating backs constantly.

And the amazing thing is the Giants are playing their best ball right now. This is the best they have to offer, injuries and all. You know it. I know it. They haven't played more organized or inspired ball all year long.

Let that marinate for a bit.
RE: Defense isn't bad, and at times is good to excellent.  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/23/2017 11:50 pm : link
In comment 13703196 CT Charlie said:
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The offense is terrible, and the offense is 75% of the problem with the defense. NO DEFENSE could remain aggressive and energetic when paired with such a putrid offense -- it's just not human nature.


We also have zero playmakers right now on offense with OBJ and Shep out. When was the last time a RB broke a long TD run, or a WR took a reception to the house??
Did we even try to throw the ball 12 yards downfield?  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2017 11:51 pm : link
Even once?

Its like scary bad...
Losing all the receivers hurts the offense  
DavidinBMNY : 11/23/2017 11:51 pm : link
King and Rudolph are 4th wrs as is Lewis

They missed Sheppard a lot on this game.

The 2013 and 14 teams were among the 5 least talented  
The_Boss : 11/23/2017 11:53 pm : link
In the league. Stop being so overly dramatic.
I'm not sure how to gauge this.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/24/2017 12:02 am : link
They have a lot of "talent' on defense, and we're seeing some of those guys show up: Harrison, Collins, Vernon. JPP, even if he's not living up to expectations. Tomlinson is a talent.

The offense is kind of a mess. Eli's fading. The line is patchwork. The wide receivers we saw tonight are replacement level. Engram's a talent but in a slump (rookie hitting the wall?). Vereen's a nice complementary player. Gallman's nice but if he were going to be an impact player, we'd be seeing it.

The most optimistic view would be that this is the rebuilding year, and getting guys like Wheeler and Engram in was the point. The problem is, it was framed as a "Super Bowl contender" year, not a rebuilding year.

My take: This is the most disappointing Giants team I've watched.
RE: The 2013 and 14 teams were among the 5 least talented  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/24/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13703250 The_Boss said:
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In the league. Stop being so overly dramatic.


So you would take this team over the 2013-14 team?
RE: Did we even try to throw the ball 12 yards downfield?  
djm : 11/24/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13703244 Jimmy Googs said:
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Even once?

Its like scary bad...


Nope. Not once. And I have to say Eli is wayyyyyyyyy to quick to bail on a play. Chuck duck rinse repeat.
RE: RE: The 2013 and 14 teams were among the 5 least talented  
The_Boss : 11/24/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13703283 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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In comment 13703250 The_Boss said:


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In the league. Stop being so overly dramatic.



So you would take this team over the 2013-14 team?


There’s more to work with going forward into 2018 on this roster. Especially on defense. And they are younger.
Defense is good enough  
WillVAB : 11/24/2017 12:07 am : link
Offense is strike caliber from scheme to talent.
hey have a decent amount of talent  
bc4life : 11/24/2017 12:10 am : link
BUT - injuries and where they lack talent are critical positions - both offensive tackles.
2014 was garbage  
Route 9 : 11/24/2017 12:10 am : link
They were 3-9 at one point after losing to Jacksonville. That team was an underrated embarrassment.
These coaches say they play to  
NikkiMac : 11/24/2017 12:14 am : link
The hot guy they’re full of shit the rotate and they stick to the rotation no matter what Darkwa gets one series Gallman gets one series .....what happened to the third TE I forget his name .....what a joke worst team no worst coaching staff I have ever seen put together !!!
RE: hey have a decent amount of talent  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/24/2017 12:15 am : link
In comment 13703310 bc4life said:
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BUT - injuries and where they lack talent are critical positions - both offensive tackles.


When most teams run to their right side, and you haven't had a decent right side of the OL in 5 years, there's a problem.
the injury card is drawn here  
micky : 11/24/2017 12:19 am : link
.
Skins have more injuries  
djm : 11/24/2017 12:23 am : link
And the Giants were healthy early on and still sucked. Matter of fact they sucked even more early on in the year.

And yet so many people want to draft a qb when the Giants need  
SterlingArcher : 11/24/2017 1:02 am : link
to bring in talent that can contribute!
It’s pretty clear  
Giant John : 11/24/2017 1:19 am : link
Depth at WR is terrible. It’s also pretty clear about the offensive line. The QB is getting old and we can’t run the ball either. There’s always the bright side though and I’ve been looking to find it all season but it just keeps raining.
A lot of good comments in this thread .  
Bluesbreaker : 11/24/2017 1:33 am : link
This offense from the get go never suited Eli's game .
The front office blew it in the drafts in the trenches .
The biggest mistake is Eli has never been suited for this
WCO ? So huge mistake in picking MacHandley for the job
sure maybe he could do better starting from scratch but
its a total failure and a huge waste of Eli's prime years
and I still think there is enough talent around with the right moves to be made with a system that fits . It's time to clean house Eli's a couple good years left enough time to
get Webb ready . If we have a shot at Barkley I would run
to the podium then fix the O-line in free agency . Use the draft to grab a center and cover LB and possibly another CB
I think team truly has talent on both sides of the ball  
JohnB : 11/24/2017 3:29 am : link
But I don't believe that the coaching staff is doing what is needed to bring it to the forefront.
The team, even with all the injuries, is not the least talented by any  
Matt M. : 11/24/2017 7:58 am : link
At the start of the season, I thought, this was one of their more talented teams in several years. That is what made their 0-5 start so frustrating for me.
RE: It’s pretty clear  
Matt M. : 11/24/2017 8:02 am : link
In comment 13703388 Giant John said:
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Depth at WR is terrible. It’s also pretty clear about the offensive line. The QB is getting old and we can’t run the ball either. There’s always the bright side though and I’ve been looking to find it all season but it just keeps raining.
Depth at WR is really impossible to judge. You have guys who, at best, were going to be #4 Or #5 on the depth chart now starting. Is it really fair to expect high level production from Lewis AND King AND Rudolph with their backups guys who were either on the PS or street a few weeks ago?
People want to draft a quarterback because  
WillieYoung : 11/24/2017 10:43 am : link
Eli is awful. Not old or aging, just awful. He makes four or five remote throwing throws every game. Thanks for 2007 and 2011 Eli, but Case Keenum is a much better QB than you are now. It's time to hang em up Eli.
Hilpalo the Guard is terrible  
Elite Mobster #32 : 11/24/2017 6:46 pm : link
He delivered a block one hit and just let him go and make the tackle
If the OP is correct  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2017 6:49 pm : link
there are a lot of people on this site who don't know their asses from their elbows because most had this team pegged as SB contender.
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