The wild card contending Bills benched Taylor for 5th round rookie Peterman even though the offense averaged over 20 points per week? Will a desperate, about to be unemployed McAdoo do the same in a last ditch hope to try and show his system can work with the right driver?
Desperate McAdont should try something novel, like 15 yd outs and seam passes. 10 yd slants on 3rd and 9 instead of 3 yd slants.
IT'S OVER!
He would play if Eli gets hurt. They don’t want Webb playing this year. It’s really not a difficult scenario.
What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.
What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.
Not even remotely accurate. Maybe Webb is a puss?
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.
What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.
Ryan Nassib redux.
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.
What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.
Not even remotely accurate. Maybe Webb is a puss?
You are correct. I am mistaken that I thought Webb was picked by packaging one of our late round picks to move up in the third. Of course Webb isn't a puss. That is reserved for your Queen - Pugh. How many games has he missed in his career? How many games this season? Let's list his injuries: Bruised Thigh, Headache, Sprained Knee, and a Sore Back.
What was the competition?
How are the feet?
Pocket presence?
Deep ball?
Dink & dunk offense?
It's not either/or!!! The Giants can still respect Eli & his streak by starting him. Then,at some point in the game they can give Webb some reps as well.The argument against playing Webb is the OL/lack of WRs & McAdoo says they know what they have by seeing Webb in practice. That's total BS, Webb needs to play in actual game conditions. Will it be easy-no but it's important to see how he reacts & plays. None of us thought we'd be thinking about the draft in November,but we are. They have an opportunity to draft their next franchise QB and I'm sure many will say that having Webb on the roster doesn't change that. They're probably right But,going in to the draft,having film on Webb in actual NFL regular season action helps in the process. And,if you don't want to "throw him to the wolves",remember TC threw Eli into the fire & he turned out okay! (PS-Let's start activating him on game days so he has that opportunity!)
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tons of college QBs put up stats. Webb isn’t ready, why on earth is that so hard to understand? He was selected to be groomed and potentially be Eli’s replacement in a couple of years. That plan doesn’t just change because he season went to shit. If he can’t play yet, playing him won’t do anything.
That plan was predicated on the Giants being a contender this year and likely next. All that went out the window with this shit season. Now, the Giants are likely to select who they expect to be the next franchise AN and that future may be as early as next season. So, ready or not, they should really be getting a look at Webb in practice and maybe even in some game situations.
So all of you that attend practice just know he’s ready to start taking snaps? I know yet sounds great to just say “seasons fucked just throw him out there” but the nfl doesn’t work that way. If he truly isn’t ready, which all signs point to, there’s no point in throwing him out there. If he was ready to take snaps Smith would be cut and Webb would be the #2.
This isn’t about Mcadoo trying to save his job, which is gone regardless of what happens. It’s a false narrative that’s brought up a lot for some reason.
Of course I do. But most of you are dismissing the simple fact that he hasn’t even surpassed Smith in practice but somehow is ready to take real snaps. Has it occurred to you that he may not be ready for that? And if he isn’t ready, what’s the point of throwing him out there?
Webb being rostered won’t stop us from taking a QB we love in the 1st round. Webb coming in and throwing a TD won’t keep us from taking a top QB in the 2018 draft. IMO there is nothing Webb can do to prevent the Giants from taking a QB should they love one.
Webb redshirting wasn’t just because we’d hope to be a playoff team. He’s red shirting because he’s still learning how to play QB at the pro level. 16-0 or 0-16 doesn’t change that.
To see if he was better than Smith.
I can’t believe I even have to type that.
Playing him hurts nothing in 2017 at this point...
Playing him hurts nothing in 2017 at this point...
It doesn't help the coaches and player trying to keep their jobs
Obviously they still do not trust the offensive line or the receivers to pass down field. Look at the way Kerrigan man handled both Tackles at times.
He doesn't even dress as the backup.
Some of you refuse to acknowledge what is smacking you in the face.
Yup, I’m clueless. Keep screaming for Webb and crying that he’s not getting playing time when he can’t beat out Geno Smith. Makes sense.
You sound like a winner buddy. Glad you provided such thoughtful insight in this debate.
I wouldn’t want him to but if Webb isn’t ready than why should he play?
This isn’t madden. Throwing players that aren’t ready out there can pose serious consequences in their development and does can be a disservice to thhr other players trying to keep their jobs. I know that isn’t what you want to hear and you can ignore it if you want to, but it’s often times the reality of the situation.
They have a plan for Webb for a reason and that reason is the same one we all knew when he was drafted. It’s as if you think I’m making this up.
It s pretty important position and finding a future franchise quarterback is worth the investment
I love the "well, if he was ready wouldn't the coaching staff have him out there?" stuff. Can we go through the list of players that were deemed not ready by this staff or vice versa? Apple has sucked. He has been out the last 2 games and the D has looked so much better. Fluker was never gonna start. Well, our OL played better with him. Wheeler isn't ready. Well, he looked really good his first game against some tough competition. His second game wasn't as good but these are great learning experiences for him and he is no worse than Hart. Darkwa was always a backup and has played well since getting the nod. Everybody was calling for Gallman and he looks good too. There are numerous cases that some backups may have been better and it took the season to be over for us to realize this. So, yeah, maybe Webb is ready. Maybe he isn't. But maybe we can get him reps to further his development.
Do you really think Eli looks "ready" out there? He looks somewhere between a trainwreck and disinterested. That look on his face is different than before...now its he knows he is done and can't help it.
Get real folks...
Totally agree. Get him some work late in games. This would preserve Eli's starting streak and see what we have in him.
As for the management/coaching staff not thinking Webb is ready argument, Does anyone have any confidence that management/coaching staff is competent of evaluating players at this point ? I mena they started the season with Paul Perkins at RB. So there is only one glaring miss of player evaluation, along with many others.
I’d like a new coaching staff and to give Webb a shot at being the #2 QB next preseason, regardless of what we do with our first round pick.
https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-rookie-qb-davis-webb-ready-for-nfl-debut-despite-limited-reps-in-training-camp-1.13962166
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/11/giants_rookie_qb_davis_webb_didnt_get_increased_pr.html
- that the season is over
- Eli is done
- that the coaches think they know how to develop players
- that the coaches realize they didn't give Webb more work this summer
- that everybody's jobs are on thin ice
4QTR snaps...if eveybody can't get their heads around giving Webb that, then you are clueless.
I think it is very telling that he is still the #3 QB this late in a lost season. As for college stats they are incredibly overrated. Former Giant Josh Johnson had 40 td's and 2 interceptions during his final season in college.
I’d like a new coaching staff and to give Webb a shot at being the #2 QB next preseason, regardless of what we do with our first round pick.
Well said. My ideal offseason would be to hire Gruden as HC and come away with Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield in the draft but keep Eli for one more season. Let Gruden fix the offense by building it around Eli's strengths. Let the rookie QB compete with Webb for the #2 spot.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Webb isn’t the #2, however.
Denial is a terrible word. I don’t disagree that it’s possible, but if we are cleaning house we have no idea what the new staff would want to do. They aren’t making decisions on Eli with the current regime.
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Denial is a terrible word. I don’t disagree that it’s possible, but if we are cleaning house we have no idea what the new staff would want to do. They aren’t making decisions on Eli with the current regime.
Unfortunately you are in a shade of denial.
There is no way any new regime here is going to want Eli in the way of any restructuring.
And if by some gift from God, the current regime is still in place, then they should look at it as a new lease on life and make the change at QB now.
Not sure what your deal is. You get awfully aggressive when someone doesn’t agree with you.
Down to brass tax - no good reason at all if Webb doesn't find the field before New Years.
none...
Eli gives him the best chance to win. We all know that Smith guarantees a loss. I think we can say the same about Webb. They might find more about Webb, but Eli gives them the best chance to win.
Of course if we determine Webb can't do it then I'd throw QB in the mix for Rd 1. However if he looks like he has it then I'd go another position.
Having said that if we do draft Barkley (for example) in Rd 1, and then Rudolph, Allen, or Jackson is there in Rd 2, I may grab them there and let them compete. They would offer good value, and my main issue is not using our best pick in years on a redundant position for us. However lower picks, and these guys would offer good value and upside, would make sense to me.
Finally there is no such thing as a sure thing "franchise" QB in college. They all can bust. Sy's stats show what, 2 out of 6 will be good, 2 out of 6 will be journeymen, and 2 out of 6 will be out of the league. So there is no "franchise guy we have to have", and there is no real way of knowing if Darnold or ROsen will ultimately be better than Allen or Rudolph.
It’s a factor some just don’t want to consider.
it sucked last night because both fluker and pugh were out... lets not act like last night has been thematic for recent weeks.
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The OL sucks. Starting WR's are injured. Should you throw him in there when there is no possible way for him to succeed? What good would that do?
It’s a factor some just don’t want to consider.
We do it to Eli, so whats the difference? At least Webb can show us if he has some wheels and poise with some bullets flying.
We have 9 losses so the season is over.
We won't be playing any meaningful games in December. (Hear that John?)
The fan base has gone home for the year. (See that John?)
We've got a long week to get Webb up to speed.
Might as well see what Webb has and determine if he could be the future in a year or two.
We have a draft to consider, don't know where we'll be picking yet and depending on draft position we might have to move up for the franchise QB if Webb is not the guy.
Eli's bought us 2 wins this year. That's not likely to improve much.
In other words, Eli Manning is essentially the "crash test dummy" for the team the rest of the way.
Allow him to take all the punishment so Webb does not that way he can waltz into the position when its advantageous for him.
I mean, that is one way to go. For the 49ers, CJ Beathard is the crash test dummy until they elect to put Garoppolo in there with a better cast of teammates next season.
As for Eli, I’ve been hearing about him “getting killed back there” for years. You’d swear he’s on his deathbed if you read this board long enough.
Do you really think Eli looks "ready" out there? He looks somewhere between a trainwreck and disinterested. That look on his face is different than before...now its he knows he is done and can't help it.
Get real folks...
Eli's 'accuracy' is something else at this point, maybe later in the year, they give Webb some reps.
This organization is too stubborn to look at the big picture moving forward, at this point..
I mean I don't see how Webb could be any worse, but I also know how this organization does things.
Why given the FO track record anyone would think one of our draft
Picks would be starter material is anything but blind faith
Happy for the superbowls over the years but see no reason why the lows need to be so low between them...
He doesn't even dress as the backup.
Some of you refuse to acknowledge what is smacking you in the face.
The same coaching staff and front office that most feel should be fired. But we should definitely trust them on this one. They don't get many things right, but this one - no doubt.
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
He doesn't even dress as the backup.
Some of you refuse to acknowledge what is smacking you in the face.
Exactly,move on.
This is a staff who refused to play Fluker, Jones, Gallman, cut the full back, then cut the tight end they tried to make the full back, only to re-sign the full back.
The best value Smith had pre in mid season was helping the second units along, and not punishing the development of the players hoping to making the team.
That time is over -- and this bumblefuck staff owes the franchise the chance to evaluate Webb. It's the least they can do for fucking the entire season.
started in his rookie year in the third or forth game.
The Giants have nothing to loose giving Webb some live experience.
it was
No one expected them to be 2-9 now and most likely looking at a top 5 pick in a draft that has 2 or 3 potential franchise quarterbacks in that top 5. They need to know NOW if Webb can be the guy. They can't wait to find that out. If they don't play him and then feel compelled to take a QB with their top pick, that 3rd round pick was effectively wasted. Another example of Reese not knowing how to run a draft while trying to save his own bacon.