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Will a desperate Mac start Webb?

Les in TO : 11/24/2017 6:23 am
The wild card contending Bills benched Taylor for 5th round rookie Peterman even though the offense averaged over 20 points per week? Will a desperate, about to be unemployed McAdoo do the same in a last ditch hope to try and show his system can work with the right driver?
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eli will never be benched  
micky : 11/24/2017 6:26 am : link
period. Dollars to donuts, Webb will never see the field.
to what end? IS Webb Aaron Rodgers? Because as Green Bay has shown,  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2017 6:28 am : link
this offense sucks unless Rodgers is driving it.

Desperate McAdont should try something novel, like 15 yd outs and seam passes. 10 yd slants on 3rd and 9 instead of 3 yd slants.

IT'S OVER!
Eli's streak must be preserved at all costs  
jeff57 : 11/24/2017 6:33 am : link
The team's future is secondary.
Webb,  
Doomster : 11/24/2017 6:35 am : link
doesn't even get snaps in practice.
that is the better question  
George from PA : 11/24/2017 6:48 am : link
why is geno smith even on this team?
RE: that is the better question  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 6:50 am : link
In comment 13703432 George from PA said:
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why is geno smith even on this team?


He would play if Eli gets hurt. They don’t want Webb playing this year. It’s really not a difficult scenario.
RE: Webb,  
Diver_Down : 11/24/2017 6:53 am : link
In comment 13703423 Doomster said:
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.


What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.
A desperate McAdoo  
RetroJint : 11/24/2017 6:58 am : link
stays with Eli. A coach who is focusing on next season, who wants to see Webb in game conditions, necessary to assist with the third pick in the draft, would play Webb. Guess what's going to happen? The Fucking Streak will continue and the Giants will have to use the QB-centric value board , locking them in . It's insane .
Smith  
Doomster : 11/24/2017 7:01 am : link
is on this team only for insurance, if we were in contention. We aren't. Now he is worthless. Webb should be getting the #2 snaps in practice, so that he can get some valuable experience this year, and also, so we can evaluate him for the decisions that have to be made in the draft next year. Don't want him to get hurt? What the hell do you think will happen to him next year? Think this OL will be fixed next year? This is what we have after fixing it for 6 years.
He isn’t going to play this year  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 7:11 am : link
what don’t you people understand? Playing him now and “evaluating” him in this offense would be pointless. Webb being able to complete a pass downfield or not complete a pass downfield will have no bearing on the Giants selecting a future QB in the first round.
RE: RE: Webb,  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/24/2017 7:11 am : link
In comment 13703435 Diver_Down said:
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.



What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.

Not even remotely accurate. Maybe Webb is a puss?
RE: RE: Webb,  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2017 7:15 am : link
In comment 13703435 Diver_Down said:
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doesn't even get snaps in practice.



What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.


Ryan Nassib redux.
The Giants are not ending Eli’s streak  
Giant John : 11/24/2017 7:18 am : link
Not happening.
RE: RE: RE: Webb,  
Diver_Down : 11/24/2017 7:18 am : link
In comment 13703445 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13703435 Diver_Down said:


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doesn't even get snaps in practice.



What's even better is that Jerry traded up to pick Webb who has never taken a snap under center. Think about that. A QB who has never taken a snap under center. You would think that is a prerequisite of being a QB. Reminds me of Bucky Hodges at the combine when he was being laughed at when he attempted to get in a 3-point stance.


Not even remotely accurate. Maybe Webb is a puss?


You are correct. I am mistaken that I thought Webb was picked by packaging one of our late round picks to move up in the third. Of course Webb isn't a puss. That is reserved for your Queen - Pugh. How many games has he missed in his career? How many games this season? Let's list his injuries: Bruised Thigh, Headache, Sprained Knee, and a Sore Back.
Uconn4523  
Doomster : 11/24/2017 7:26 am : link
Do any of those can't miss qb's in the draft have better stats than Webb did, his senior year? Or are we evaluating Webb based on practice? Why the f*ck did we draft him and not find out what we have in him, by giving him some game experience? He is not under pressure where he has to win and will not be scarred for life playing a few series at the end of games!
I don’t care about stats  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 7:32 am : link
tons of college QBs put up stats. Webb isn’t ready, why on earth is that so hard to understand? He was selected to be groomed and potentially be Eli’s replacement in a couple of years. That plan doesn’t just change because he season went to shit. If he can’t play yet, playing him won’t do anything.
Does Eli look ready?  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2017 7:39 am : link
put the kid in already during second halves and lets see if we learn anything about him...
If the front office  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 7:40 am : link
really believes Eli can lead the team in his remaining years why is he taking all the snaps in meaningless games. I guess the front office doesnt think he can get hurt.
Stats in college football are like the Heisman..  
Sean : 11/24/2017 7:40 am : link
Meaningless. It isn’t about stats when looking at college QB’s..

What was the competition?
How are the feet?
Pocket presence?
Deep ball?
Dink & dunk offense?
RE: Eli's streak must be preserved at all costs  
TheMick7 : 11/24/2017 7:42 am : link
In comment 13703420 jeff57 said:
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The team's future is secondary.


It's not either/or!!! The Giants can still respect Eli & his streak by starting him. Then,at some point in the game they can give Webb some reps as well.The argument against playing Webb is the OL/lack of WRs & McAdoo says they know what they have by seeing Webb in practice. That's total BS, Webb needs to play in actual game conditions. Will it be easy-no but it's important to see how he reacts & plays. None of us thought we'd be thinking about the draft in November,but we are. They have an opportunity to draft their next franchise QB and I'm sure many will say that having Webb on the roster doesn't change that. They're probably right But,going in to the draft,having film on Webb in actual NFL regular season action helps in the process. And,if you don't want to "throw him to the wolves",remember TC threw Eli into the fire & he turned out okay! (PS-Let's start activating him on game days so he has that opportunity!)
The argument is he isn’t ready  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 7:44 am : link
he was taken as a project based on his talent and size. It’s actually fairly simple to understand.
RE: Smith  
Matt M. : 11/24/2017 7:46 am : link
In comment 13703440 Doomster said:
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is on this team only for insurance, if we were in contention. We aren't. Now he is worthless. Webb should be getting the #2 snaps in practice, so that he can get some valuable experience this year, and also, so we can evaluate him for the decisions that have to be made in the draft next year. Don't want him to get hurt? What the hell do you think will happen to him next year? Think this OL will be fixed next year? This is what we have after fixing it for 6 years.
Agree 100% and it has nothing to do with Webb starting, the streak, etc. It is simply that Smith serves no purpose with the Giants right now at 2-9. If Eli went down with an injury, there is no season to preserve. Webb should be getting every snap that Eli doesn't get simply because he needs that experience and development.
RE: I don’t care about stats  
Matt M. : 11/24/2017 7:50 am : link
In comment 13703461 UConn4523 said:
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tons of college QBs put up stats. Webb isn’t ready, why on earth is that so hard to understand? He was selected to be groomed and potentially be Eli’s replacement in a couple of years. That plan doesn’t just change because he season went to shit. If he can’t play yet, playing him won’t do anything.
That plan was predicated on the Giants being a contender this year and likely next. All that went out the window with this shit season. Now, the Giants are likely to select who they expect to be the next franchise AN and that future may be as early as next season. So, ready or not, they should really be getting a look at Webb in practice and maybe even in some game situations.
Starting Webb would get him fired on the spot  
ron mexico : 11/24/2017 7:50 am : link
He is trying to win games now to save his job, prepping for the future by playing Webb doesn't help that cause
RE: Uconn4523  
Matt M. : 11/24/2017 7:52 am : link
In comment 13703457 Doomster said:
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Do any of those can't miss qb's in the draft have better stats than Webb did, his senior year? Or are we evaluating Webb based on practice? Why the f*ck did we draft him and not find out what we have in him, by giving him some game experience? He is not under pressure where he has to win and will not be scarred for life playing a few series at the end of games!
The real travesty was not even getting him work this summer.
Yes  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 7:53 am : link
the Giants need to draft a QB without knowing if Webb can play. Lets draft a QB and show how the Giants wasted another third round pick. That is Jerrya great round.
Matt M  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2017 7:55 am : link
yep...
RE: RE: I don’t care about stats  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 7:56 am : link
In comment 13703484 Matt M. said:
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tons of college QBs put up stats. Webb isn’t ready, why on earth is that so hard to understand? He was selected to be groomed and potentially be Eli’s replacement in a couple of years. That plan doesn’t just change because he season went to shit. If he can’t play yet, playing him won’t do anything.

That plan was predicated on the Giants being a contender this year and likely next. All that went out the window with this shit season. Now, the Giants are likely to select who they expect to be the next franchise AN and that future may be as early as next season. So, ready or not, they should really be getting a look at Webb in practice and maybe even in some game situations.


So all of you that attend practice just know he’s ready to start taking snaps? I know yet sounds great to just say “seasons fucked just throw him out there” but the nfl doesn’t work that way. If he truly isn’t ready, which all signs point to, there’s no point in throwing him out there. If he was ready to take snaps Smith would be cut and Webb would be the #2.

This isn’t about Mcadoo trying to save his job, which is gone regardless of what happens. It’s a false narrative that’s brought up a lot for some reason.
And look no further than Peterman last week  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 7:59 am : link
he stunk, wasn’t ready to even throw a forward pass, and likely won’t play the rest of the season. That’s bad coaching, very bad coaching.
The remaining games  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 8:01 am : link
are as meaningless as the preseason. Why did Webb get any snaps in preseason?
UConn I hope you are being purposely obtuse  
bhill410 : 11/24/2017 8:02 am : link
You really don’t think there is any point is seeing actual game time in the evaluation and maturation of a qb? You don’t think seeing game speed would have any benefit down the road in his development? If you don’t there is no reason to really have any further discussion because that is the core point to everyone’s point. A point, that is fairly simple to most posters on this thread despite your repeated inquiries into what we don’t get.
RE: UConn I hope you are being purposely obtuse  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13703500 bhill410 said:
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You really don’t think there is any point is seeing actual game time in the evaluation and maturation of a qb? You don’t think seeing game speed would have any benefit down the road in his development? If you don’t there is no reason to really have any further discussion because that is the core point to everyone’s point. A point, that is fairly simple to most posters on this thread despite your repeated inquiries into what we don’t get.


Of course I do. But most of you are dismissing the simple fact that he hasn’t even surpassed Smith in practice but somehow is ready to take real snaps. Has it occurred to you that he may not be ready for that? And if he isn’t ready, what’s the point of throwing him out there?

Webb being rostered won’t stop us from taking a QB we love in the 1st round. Webb coming in and throwing a TD won’t keep us from taking a top QB in the 2018 draft. IMO there is nothing Webb can do to prevent the Giants from taking a QB should they love one.

Webb redshirting wasn’t just because we’d hope to be a playoff team. He’s red shirting because he’s still learning how to play QB at the pro level. 16-0 or 0-16 doesn’t change that.
RE: The remaining games  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:08 am : link
In comment 13703499 XBRONX said:
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are as meaningless as the preseason. Why did Webb get any snaps in preseason?


To see if he was better than Smith.

I can’t believe I even have to type that.
Learning to play QB at the pro-level is also helpful  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2017 8:10 am : link
when it doesn't hurt the team's season.

Playing him hurts nothing in 2017 at this point...
RE: Learning to play QB at the pro-level is also helpful  
ron mexico : 11/24/2017 8:12 am : link
In comment 13703509 Jimmy Googs said:
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when it doesn't hurt the team's season.

Playing him hurts nothing in 2017 at this point...


It doesn't help the coaches and player trying to keep their jobs
But the product on the field now help's that??  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2017 8:13 am : link
get serious...
Uconn  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 8:20 am : link
you are clueless. The Giants didnt know a raw rookie was better than the vet Geno? Wow you are lost in space
The Giants have the worst  
Manning10 : 11/24/2017 8:23 am : link
corps of Receivers in the League right now, and a Talented rookie Tight end who is now Playing like a rookie.
Obviously they still do not trust the offensive line or the receivers to pass down field. Look at the way Kerrigan man handled both Tackles at times.
No ...  
Beer Man : 11/24/2017 8:24 am : link
But they need to see Webb in some meaningful game action so that they can evaluate him before deciding which direction to go in the draft
The Giants coaches and front office  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2017 8:27 am : link
have repeatedly said, over and over and over and over... that Davis Webb is not ready, there's no hurry to get him into game action, and that he's doing a good job in practice watching and learning.

He doesn't even dress as the backup.

Some of you refuse to acknowledge what is smacking you in the face.
RE: Uconn  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:27 am : link
In comment 13703519 XBRONX said:
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you are clueless. The Giants didnt know a raw rookie was better than the vet Geno? Wow you are lost in space


Yup, I’m clueless. Keep screaming for Webb and crying that he’s not getting playing time when he can’t beat out Geno Smith. Makes sense.
Britt  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:29 am : link
I’m pretty much done on this subject. It’s impossible to have a conversation with people who refuse to ignore the information that’s right in front of them.
Uconn  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 8:38 am : link
Bye Felicia!
As for Peterman....  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2017 8:39 am : link
didn't he throw like 5 picks in the first half of that game? I'm sure that did wonders for his confidence.
RE: Uconn  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:40 am : link
In comment 13703546 XBRONX said:
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Bye Felicia!


You sound like a winner buddy. Glad you provided such thoughtful insight in this debate.
Lmfao...Les the Boob  
JCin332 : 11/24/2017 8:41 am : link
starts his weekly shit on Eli thread and the usual Boobs chime in and agree...

No,  
CT Charlie : 11/24/2017 8:44 am : link
but he should start the 4th quarter.
Tell us Uconn  
XBRONX : 11/24/2017 8:46 am : link
so we can all laugh at you. If Eli gets hurt last quarter of the next game and is out for the season, Geno should get all the snaps the last four games. Give us a good laugh.
UConn wether he is ready or not  
bhill410 : 11/24/2017 8:48 am : link
Is not the point. He can further develop by seeing game speed even if its a failure (can’t be any worse) and the next gm will have actual game film to determine if they feel he can improve or if he is a lost cause. If they fire both gm and head coach no one will have even seen him in practice. This is a win win for the franchise. He may be less effective than smith now but smith isn’t future so it doesn’t matter. As pointed out above smith was a stop gap for a contending team not a team hoping for a top 3 draft pick.
RE: Tell us Uconn  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2017 8:53 am : link
In comment 13703562 XBRONX said:
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so we can all laugh at you. If Eli gets hurt last quarter of the next game and is out for the season, Geno should get all the snaps the last four games. Give us a good laugh.


I wouldn’t want him to but if Webb isn’t ready than why should he play?

This isn’t madden. Throwing players that aren’t ready out there can pose serious consequences in their development and does can be a disservice to thhr other players trying to keep their jobs. I know that isn’t what you want to hear and you can ignore it if you want to, but it’s often times the reality of the situation.

They have a plan for Webb for a reason and that reason is the same one we all knew when he was drafted. It’s as if you think I’m making this up.
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