Last nights loss bothered me a lot more than it should. Honestly, I thought after the KC game, this team may be able to get to 5-11 / 6-10, take BPA in draft and roll the dice with Eli for another 2 years or so.
Last night told me everything I need to know. It’s over. The Giants as we have known them for the last 14 years, is over. And while change is always exciting for fans, it sucks at the same time. Eli is my favorite player of all time & has been a huge part of 2 SB titles. But, even with a well below average WR unit, he’s missed crucial throws. And, he has had the most dropped passes too to be fair. The whole offensive operation sucks.
The NFL is different now, offensive lines throughout the NFL are struggling. It’s unreasonable to expect an above average offensive line every season. I’d like someone with size, who can extend plays. Darnold checks off those boxes for me. I worry Rosen will require a top notch OL & he already has an injury history.
To top it off, 0-8 against the NFC.
Just a nightmare season.
It’s a sad state of the league when 2-14 likely nets just the 3rd overall pick.
It’s a sad state of the league when 2-14 likely nets just the 3rd overall pick.
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It’s a sad state of the league when 2-14 likely nets just the 3rd overall pick.
If they like a guy enough, I see them trading up.
How about we draft a 3 down RB and maybe a guard. Those two things would make this offense look 10X better.
A decent 3 down LBer would be helpful on defense as well.
Heads better f*cking roll this offseason.
When Brady is gone he will be the last one that can do it at a high level.
This excuse is getting old. He’s had time to throw for weeks. The oline or 4th and 5th wide receivers aren’t making him bounce screen passes
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Throwing to? Number 5 and 6 WR who are rarely supposed to play. The O-Line is terrible. Couldn’t run against Washington’s banged up defenses. Most QBs would have failed with this offense.
This excuse is getting old. He’s had time to throw for weeks. The oline or 4th and 5th wide receivers aren’t making him bounce screen passes
You're like a broken clock...
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Throwing to? Number 5 and 6 WR who are rarely supposed to play. The O-Line is terrible. Couldn’t run against Washington’s banged up defenses. Most QBs would have failed with this offense.
This excuse is getting old. He’s had time to throw for weeks. The oline or 4th and 5th wide receivers aren’t making him bounce screen passes
You're like a broken clock...
So are the people who make excuses every single week.
Go root for the eagles is something someone who knows they're wrong would say.
Wilson? Big Ben twice? Rodgers? Brees?
Nobody is asking for Mike Vick. They're asking for someone who can ateast extend plays a couple of more seconds
Favre, Rogers, Staubach, Montana, McMahon, Elway.
How about we draft a 3 down RB and maybe a guard. Those two things would make this offense look 10X better.
A decent 3 down LBer would be helpful on defense as well.
Yes, like Dak, exactly like Dak. Or Wentz or Wilson. Why resist this? Having a QB that can effectively escape pressure is an asset. Doesn't mean we don't want a pocket passer too, Giants may have the opportunity to draft soneone with both sets of skills.
Taylor has had a better season than Eli and did nothing to get benched but have his team in a playoff spot.
And yes I would take Dak because he's 25 and can still improve, while Eli can't.
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Mobility my ass...which mobile QB's have won SB's again?
Go root for the eagles is something someone who knows they're wrong would say.
Wilson? Big Ben twice? Rodgers? Brees?
Nobody is asking for Mike Vick. They're asking for someone who can ateast extend plays a couple of more seconds
I would also add multiple super bowl winner Joe Montana to the list - he is not someone who you think of when you hear mobile QB (especially in compared to his successor steve young who also won a super bowl) as he was not a traditional speedster but he rushed for over 1,600 yards and 20 touchdowns in his career (plus another 314 yards and 2 touchdowns in the playoffs). he was throwing to jerry rice, john taylor, brent jones behind a solid offensive line and with roger craig and tom rathman in the backfield, but yet he was consistently and strategically pulling the ball down and running.
Mobile doesn't mean we need to take the fastest QB in the draft or someone who, in an option system in college, rushed for a lot of yardage (hello, Charlie Ward and Tim Tebow!). But someone who is athletic and makes smart and quick decisions to pull the ball down and take the yards when the defense gives them
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Because that is working well without a running game.
How about we draft a 3 down RB and maybe a guard. Those two things would make this offense look 10X better.
A decent 3 down LBer would be helpful on defense as well.
Yes, like Dak, exactly like Dak. Or Wentz or Wilson. Why resist this? Having a QB that can effectively escape pressure is an asset. Doesn't mean we don't want a pocket passer too, Giants may have the opportunity to draft soneone with both sets of skills.
Its not resisting a mobile QB its pointing out that having one does not fix our issues. Not being able to protect the QB or run the ball consistently is our Offensives issues. If the receivers would catch the ball a little more would help also. Not saying Eli is blameless, but he is not the major problem.
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Mobility my ass...which mobile QB's have won SB's again?
Favre, Rogers, Staubach, Montana, McMahon, Elway.
Forgot Wilson
So what happened? Is that a skill he lost? Some of the passes obviously are bad, But many are just bad angles between the QB and receiver. The missed pass to Vereen is a perfect example. How can anyone complete a pass when the receiver is running straight away from the QB?
This offense isn’t amenable to those types of passes from an immobile QB. McAdoo was stuck with the QB and should have adjusted the offense to allow for it.
Not letting Eli off the hook, however.
Team also needs one more DT, A DE, couple of LBs. Do the math.
Heads better f*cking roll this offseason.
Yes. Watching this offense is like being slowly tortured.
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Because that is working well without a running game.
How about we draft a 3 down RB and maybe a guard. Those two things would make this offense look 10X better.
A decent 3 down LBer would be helpful on defense as well.
Yes, like Dak, exactly like Dak. Or Wentz or Wilson. Why resist this? Having a QB that can effectively escape pressure is an asset. Doesn't mean we don't want a pocket passer too, Giants may have the opportunity to draft soneone with both sets of skills.
Its not resisting a mobile QB its pointing out that having one does not fix our issues. Not being able to protect the QB or run the ball consistently is our Offensives issues. If the receivers would catch the ball a little more would help also. Not saying Eli is blameless, but he is not the major problem.
This is no longer about Eli, this is about the future. This team is not winning next year with Eli. The OL is terrible. The defense cannot pressure the QB. A mobile QB is not the solution, but it is an asset. Its part of the rebuild.
It took us 6 years to get where we are now with an OL...
How many years to draft a decent TE?
How many years since we drafted a decent DE, or god forbid, an average linebacker?
With the right guys in place, things will be expedited, but it's still going to take time and patience......we have seen how teams can go from bad to a false contender in just one season....but to go from bad to a team that is on the rise, is not going to happen overnight......
It took us 6 years to get where we are now with an OL...
How many years to draft a decent TE?
How many years since we drafted a decent DE, or god forbid, an average linebacker?
With the right guys in place, things will be expedited, but it's still going to take time and patience......we have seen how teams can go from bad to a false contender in just one season....but to go from bad to a team that is on the rise, is not going to happen overnight......
If the right decisions are made then yes, it can be done in a couple of years. Hard part is making the right decisions for the most part.
Uh, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young.
Mobile is different from scrambler, though. Both of Rodgers and Young are/were lethal passers. Wilson is good enough. Ben used to have some mobility.
By mobile we are not talking about guys like Dak and Cam who are rbs that can heave.
We are talking about guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Young and Wentz that force defenses to account for their ability to buy time, to break containment or to get positive ywrds even when the passrush “wins”.
The problem with these qbs is they tend to miss more time and have shorter careers bc of the hits they take. It’s a tradeoff.
Truthfully, Eli is not as statuesque as people make him out to be. They should roll him out more on playaction now that we are running the ball more
2) let him get his coach with system that they want to run.
3) probably picking high so get Eli's replacement (based on system)
4) fix the OL (jones and flowers are only keepers)
5) unless the draft pick blows people away it's still Eli's job no matter what people say.
6) I'm done nothing else to talk about. 😄
It took us 6 years to get where we are now with an OL...
How many years to draft a decent TE?
How many years since we drafted a decent DE, or god forbid, an average linebacker?
With the right guys in place, things will be expedited, but it's still going to take time and patience......we have seen how teams can go from bad to a false contender in just one season....but to go from bad to a team that is on the rise, is not going to happen overnight......
Um the Rams? Jaguars? Saints? Eagles?
The days of a 4-5 year rebuild are long over. Hell the team went 11-5 last year.
But don't delude yourself anyone here into thinking that the lack of it is our -main-problem. That's wishful thinking.
Our problem is of The Emperor Has No Clothes variety:
Mara, Reese, Mac and Sully don't know what they are looking at.
- Covered for mistaken ideas in the part of ownership and management. Throw is a coach who cut his teeth (well, didn't really cut anything ) with Aaron Rodgers, another QB who covered organizational flaws...and, as Manning ages....as the org refused to look in the mirror, ....a major clusterfuck.
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Mobility my ass...which mobile QB's have won SB's again?
Uh, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young.
Mobile is different from scrambler, though. Both of Rodgers and Young are/were lethal passers. Wilson is good enough. Ben used to have some mobility.
By mobile we are not talking about guys like Dak and Cam who are rbs that can heave.
We are talking about guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Young and Wentz that force defenses to account for their ability to buy time, to break containment or to get positive ywrds even when the passrush “wins”.
The problem with these qbs is they tend to miss more time and have shorter careers bc of the hits they take. It’s a tradeoff.
Truthfully, Eli is not as statuesque as people make him out to be. They should roll him out more on playaction now that we are running the ball more
So its moot.
Question is, will the fundamental misaprehensions remain, and, if so. Wlll we continue to watch and follow the team.
To me, the QB question is fun but also a distraction from deeper issues.
So what happened? Is that a skill he lost? Some of the passes obviously are bad, But many are just bad angles between the QB and receiver. The missed pass to Vereen is a perfect example. How can anyone complete a pass when the receiver is running straight away from the QB?
This offense isn’t amenable to those types of passes from an immobile QB. McAdoo was stuck with the QB and should have adjusted the offense to allow for it.
Not letting Eli off the hook, however.
It took us 6 years to get where we are now with an OL...
How many years to draft a decent TE?
How many years since we drafted a decent DE, or god forbid, an average linebacker?
With the right guys in place, things will be expedited, but it's still going to take time and patience......we have seen how teams can go from bad to a false contender in just one season....but to go from bad to a team that is on the rise, is not going to happen overnight......
Whomever is the new QB in three years, whichever type,
.... and it IS a fun and worthwhile conversation.... You need to get Mr. Mara and Jerry Reese out of the football parts, and Macadoo and Sully...out.
The fear is that those focussing on Manning simply don't really understand the game of football and are avoiding the underlying weaknesses discussion.
If it's just an additional conversation... please make that clear.
Whomever is the new QB in three years, whichever type,
.... and it IS a fun and worthwhile conversation.... You need to get Mr. Mara and Jerry Reese out of the football parts, and Macadoo and Sully...out.
The fear is that those focussing on Manning simply don't really understand the game of football and are avoiding the underlying weaknesses discussion.
If it's just an additional conversation... please make that clear.
3 years? Right.