Never felt so bad about Eli as I did last night...

So much of this is due to his Wrs not getting open. Tough to evaluate Eli under these circumstances. Only Brady would be successful.

I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though.

He’s saddled with a horrible offensive line, practice squad receivers, no bell cow running back, and an offensive scheme that typically requires 3 completions to get 10 yards?

But yet, your take is he doesn’t have the same energy and will to inspire. Would you blame a pilot if he couldn’t land a plane without engines?

In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though.

No he's not the same guy.
Nope.

I didn't think Manning showed a high level of exuberance last night, and maybe it's partially because he's getting old and it was a short week. But let's not forget the drops - our receivers lead the NFL in drops - and as previously mentioned, our wide-outs set the standard that our linebackers are trying to emulate :(

He knows it over for him.

Now if we could just the rest of you onboard...

that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season.

Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality.

Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that.

Missing your top 4 receivers
Missing three starting OL (of what is a bad OL)
Starting TE can't catch the ball

Yes he made some bad throws, but he was not the primary problem. The team started 5 UDFA's (Darkwa, Jones, Wheeler, Smith, Lewis Jr.) and 2 others who were recent late picks let go by other teams (Halapio, King). If you add in Travis Rudolph thats 8 guys that nobody wanted at the end of '16 who are now the core of our offense. What do you expect?

so add that in...

In a dysfunctional work place knows, at first you try to maintain your optimism and professionalism but you hit a point where you get worn out. At that point it’s harder to function properly, and muster up that professionalism. Instead you just try to tread water so you don’t drown.

Remotely possible that you have absolutely no idea what you're seeing?

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so add that in...

Twaddle

By that standard there were no offers in the offseason for Brady, so I guess nobody wanted him as well.

In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though.

Agreed. He's the same guy, he just can't lead by example anymore because his skill isn't the same. He's just not that good anymore, which is very unfortunate, but he's absolutely the same guy.

In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that.

Agree but there's no reason not to start Eli. In fact, you can send the message that this is still Eli's team by allowing him to start and compete until the game clearly can not be won. Besides, do you really want to see Geno in there? Remember, Webb isn't even dressing for games, he was drafted with a huge question mark and a development/project timeline of a few seasons. If Webb has any chance at all to be a starting NFL QB, and that's very much a question, why risk ruining his chance for longterm success with this horrible offensive personnel and scheme? I'm not saying not to dress and play Webb, just saying don't rush him into starting. Let's start by dressing him and giving him a few NFL snaps.

In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that.

Of course Sy makes a good point, but it's also an irrelevant point.

Next year Eli is another year older, another year more cautious and another year looking to get on the ground when things get hot.

Sure a better supporting cast would help Eli. But our QB isn't taking us on any more improbable Super Bowl runs. And now we need to wake up to the fact that Eli is old and not our future answer. That's the point Sy should be making!

In comment 13703820 Reb8thVA said:

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In a dysfunctional work place knows, at first you try to maintain your optimism and professionalism but you hit a point where you get worn out. At that point it’s harder to function properly, and muster up that professionalism. Instead you just try to tread water so you don’t drown.

Reb8thVA... I hear ya! Been there, done that with a few companies.

In comment 13703826 crick n NC said:

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Remotely possible that you have absolutely no idea what you're seeing?

crick n NC... I like your brevity, and I think it deserves a like response. I know precisely what I'm seeing. My thread starter says it all.

His energy level in my mind is not there as well. He doesn't seem to have the fire anymore. I have wondered why he doesn't get pissed off and fire the team up. At 0-4 I new he was finished this year.

In comment 13703858 mdthedream said:

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His energy level in my mind is not there as well. He doesn't seem to have the fire anymore. I have wondered why he doesn't get pissed off and fire the team up. At 0-4 I new he was finished this year.

Did you just start following Eli? When has he ever gotten pissed off? When has he ever been a rah rah guy? So you expect him to change now?

Granted he has a weak supporting cast but he has been leaving points on the field week in and week out.

The fans who refuse to see Manning's decline remind me of Uncle Rico, hanging on to the glory, but living in a van.

His supporting cast is terrible, worst in the NFL but he’s leaving points on the field every week. It seems like every game he misses sure tds. So is it him or the scheme or everyone around him? I thinks it’s all of the above. He’s not helping matters let’s leave it at that

3rd day of the new league year,will the giants write that check?

In comment 13703885 Bleedblue10 said:

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His supporting cast is terrible, worst in the NFL but he’s leaving points on the field every week. It seems like every game he misses sure tds. So is it him or the scheme or everyone around him? I thinks it’s all of the above. He’s not helping matters let’s leave it at that

It can be more than one thing. Yes, talent level isn't good. Yes, coaching isn't good. Yes, level of play at QB isn't sufficient. I'm iffy about blaming scheme. The scheme is short completions. There no situation where it is acceptable for an NFL QB to be scattershot and inconsistent inside 10 yards.

In comment 13703895 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13703885 Bleedblue10 said: Quote: His supporting cast is terrible, worst in the NFL but he’s leaving points on the field every week. It seems like every game he misses sure tds. So is it him or the scheme or everyone around him? I thinks it’s all of the above. He’s not helping matters let’s leave it at that It can be more than one thing. Yes, talent level isn't good. Yes, coaching isn't good. Yes, level of play at QB isn't sufficient. I'm iffy about blaming scheme. The scheme is short completions. There no situation where it is acceptable for an NFL QB to be scattershot and inconsistent inside 10 yards.

To be this bad a lot of talent, trust, planning, coaching and effort have to be off.

A few of the above being better could get it back to competetive. But man for man in the equation you can only keep the variables you think are part of a championship future.

And Manning, to me, unless surrounded by a supremely talented group, isn't a championship level QB any longer.

In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that.

He doesn't need rest. He needs a new team. This isn't just about the lack of talent around him. It is also (equally?) terrible coaching. He is one of two real assets on offense, yet we are running a Mickey Mouse offense. What does anyone expect asking him to throw 2 yard pass after 2 yard pass? He puts it in the ribs of his RBs and receivers and they drop it because they are all worried about turning and running. Then he takes 3 steps and has a DL right on him. ETC. Way down on the list, in my opinion, are the 2-3 passes where he put it over his RBs head on a 2 yard pass.

Call a fucking game that gives them a fighting chance to win. What do they have to lose that they still insist on this ridiculous offense? They have a legitimate QB who is still the leader of this team, and instead the coach is castrating him and treating like a 3rd rate guy to manage a game. That doesn't even work when you have no running game to speak of. Let him go out and win the fucking game or go down trying.

I truly believe if they do him the great favor of trading/cutting him after drafting a QB that he will lead a real team deep into the playoffs.

Dog shit last night. A good QB can throw his guys open, can pump up his team, and stand tall ... I see none of that.

He wasn’t playing against the 85 Bears , it was the crappy Redskins !

He three were drops ... but there were also several passes my 11 year old can make. He dumps the ball off with the first sign of any pressure!

Stats don’t lie ... his stats were pathetic.

It's a brutally bad system for Manning. The short pass game intends to replace the run and play action. But we have neither the weapons nor the QB to play it well.

There's one concept in the whole system that's a game changer, the slant to Beckham. And without it, the offense is worthless.

that Mcadoo has put into full use. Call different plays? there are NO different plays in the script, or at least very few. Ask him to throw downfield he will take 8 sacks and four turnovers a game. Two by pick two by fumble. Remember 2013 when he tried chucking to better receivers with a bad line????

He threw 27 picks. Would be much worse with this group.

No one is taking him at this point. Get real. The league wide perception is he's done. Love this trade talk. What team other than MAYBE Jax is going to acquire him? Any team in qb market will draft a new one and invest in the next 10 years rather than play with a retread.

Hes gunshy now. The hits add up. Teams look at his 2014 and 15 stats and say, our qb would do that with Beckham, who was historically productive. Thats why Eli's stats looked good.

You can debate what would be, what might have been and what will be all you want, but please stop ignoring what is. That is you have a warrior for a QB who has proven to be loyal and clutch in some big moments in the past, but who is aging, is immobile, has ball security issues, and continues to struggle with accuracy on short and intermediate passes. Add to that a lousy coach, a worse GM, no receivers, and a horrible OL and a rebuild that will not be complete given cap and draft limitations and can anyone still argue that Eli with his limitations is not a problem going forward. He needs more protection than most QBs who have some mobility. An average line won’t cut it. It’s time for change— on the sidelines, in the front office and in the huddle.

In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that.

It's not unfair. Several good QBs have played with poor supporting casts due to injury or otherwise. How many have led their team to historically inept offenses two years running?

It's not unfair. What's unfair is blaming every WR he's every played with for being dumb or lazy when Eli throws a pick. What's unfair is blaming the WR/RB for not catching a ball that's consistently thrown high, in the dirt or behind them. What's unfair is blaming the OL when they've given him plenty of protection several times this season and he still can't get it done.

This isn't a second year QB pushing through a soph slump. This is a seasoned vet that's accounts for the biggest cap hit on the team.

The comparisons to Dak Prescott are ludicrous.

Don’t think so. Guy has more money than he needs. An NFLGiants QB with two time SB mvp. I wish I was doing so bad.
Surrounded by crap players but still picking up that game check.

are spot on.

And its funny how often the defenders have to resort to terms like 'clueless', 'no idea', 'morons' etc.........usually the first sign they have no decent argument.

Bunch of clowns.

In comment 13703932 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that. It's not unfair. Several good QBs have played with poor supporting casts due to injury or otherwise. How many have led their team to historically inept offenses two years running? It's not unfair. What's unfair is blaming every WR he's every played with for being dumb or lazy when Eli throws a pick. What's unfair is blaming the WR/RB for not catching a ball that's consistently thrown high, in the dirt or behind them. What's unfair is blaming the OL when they've given him plenty of protection several times this season and he still can't get it done. This isn't a second year QB pushing through a soph slump. This is a seasoned vet that's accounts for the biggest cap hit on the team. The comparisons to Dak Prescott are ludicrous.

Couldn't agree with this more. Even when he was good, any pick was always somebody else's fault

exhibit a. can only resort to insults huh?

In comment 13703930 Jeffrey said:

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You can debate what would be, what might have been and what will be all you want, but please stop ignoring what is. That is you have a warrior for a QB who has proven to be loyal and clutch in some big moments in the past, but who is aging, is immobile, has ball security issues, and continues to struggle with accuracy on short and intermediate passes. Add to that a lousy coach, a worse GM, no receivers, and a horrible OL and a rebuild that will not be complete given cap and draft limitations and can anyone still argue that Eli with his limitations is not a problem going forward. He needs more protection than most QBs who have some mobility. An average line won’t cut it. It’s time for change— on the sidelines, in the front office and in the huddle.

Very well played, Sir! This neatly summarizes a Giant predicament!!!

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Bunch of clowns.

Eli is past his prime and is not leading this team or any future Giants team to the promised land (for a third time). That's not "idiotic." It's the simple truth.

In comment 13703903 Matt M. said:

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In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that. He doesn't need rest. He needs a new team. This isn't just about the lack of talent around him. It is also (equally?) terrible coaching. He is one of two real assets on offense, yet we are running a Mickey Mouse offense. What does anyone expect asking him to throw 2 yard pass after 2 yard pass? He puts it in the ribs of his RBs and receivers and they drop it because they are all worried about turning and running. Then he takes 3 steps and has a DL right on him. ETC. Way down on the list, in my opinion, are the 2-3 passes where he put it over his RBs head on a 2 yard pass. Call a fucking game that gives them a fighting chance to win. What do they have to lose that they still insist on this ridiculous offense? They have a legitimate QB who is still the leader of this team, and instead the coach is castrating him and treating like a 3rd rate guy to manage a game. That doesn't even work when you have no running game to speak of. Let him go out and win the fucking game or go down trying. I truly believe if they do him the great favor of trading/cutting him after drafting a QB that he will lead a real team deep into the playoffs.

good post. It is a Mickey Mouse offense.

In comment 13703932 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that. It's not unfair. Several good QBs have played with poor supporting casts due to injury or otherwise. How many have led their team to historically inept offenses two years running? It's not unfair. What's unfair is blaming every WR he's every played with for being dumb or lazy when Eli throws a pick. What's unfair is blaming the WR/RB for not catching a ball that's consistently thrown high, in the dirt or behind them. What's unfair is blaming the OL when they've given him plenty of protection several times this season and he still can't get it done. This isn't a second year QB pushing through a soph slump. This is a seasoned vet that's accounts for the biggest cap hit on the team. The comparisons to Dak Prescott are ludicrous.

Modus... well played, Sir!

In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though.

+1
Eli played poorly and has had a number of bad games this year and no, it's not all on the OL and the injuries...Eli has squandered a number of opportunities that you can't hang on anyone else but him.

However to suggest that the problem is Eli's energy level or ability to inspire his teammates is beyond stupid.

Did you compare his blank stares from every other game he's ever played to last night's game and see some subtle difference that the rest of us missed?

And Rogers would put up with this passive offense you are crazy.

Eli has that ball dumped off before some of the WR’s even get a chance to run their pattern.

Eli’s time is over,we all need to move on.

14 seasons, 12 of the 14 without a playoff win. Blow the whole thing up!

In comment 13703988 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though. +1 Eli played poorly and has had a number of bad games this year and no, it's not all on the OL and the injuries...Eli has squandered a number of opportunities that you can't hang on anyone else but him. However to suggest that the problem is Eli's energy level or ability to inspire his teammates is beyond stupid. Did you compare his blank stares from every other game he's ever played to last night's game and see some subtle difference that the rest of us missed?

Have you ever played the game?

David Carr-itis;
Lack of confidence that WRs will catch a ball even if you lob it into their hands from a foot away.
And last night was some horrible play calling by Sullivan.
Any order you want(I've got DC-itis at #1.).

it is all ending. The Eli era car is being banged up beyond repair and needs to be rebuilt. This franchise has been run into the ground.

Eli is a part of that failure, I personally do not put him near the top of the list of reasons, but he is the QB.

This is now shit on Eli time and he is on a two win squad so it is hard to argue otherwise.

But, to trot out the tired low energy look from the first days or Eli seems wrong. He looked the same last night as he has in the past. He always looks like that. To question his energy and dedication is bush league.

I almost wish they would play Smith or Webb just to see what would happen. I don't think it would be pretty.

Also, I would love to hear how Eli really feels about this season or this coach. He will be a causality of all this too. I would like to know his side.

NFW.

He and Papa Archie manipulated their way out of San Diego because spoiled Eli needed to be pampered with the better organization. And then he essentially rode 5 weeks in his playoff career to 2 improbable SB wins. On top of that, he's made a boatload of money in arguably the greatest sports market.

Sympathy is the least of my takeaways from last night...

In comment 13703968 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13703903 Matt M. said: Quote: In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that. He doesn't need rest. He needs a new team. This isn't just about the lack of talent around him. It is also (equally?) terrible coaching. He is one of two real assets on offense, yet we are running a Mickey Mouse offense. What does anyone expect asking him to throw 2 yard pass after 2 yard pass? He puts it in the ribs of his RBs and receivers and they drop it because they are all worried about turning and running. Then he takes 3 steps and has a DL right on him. ETC. Way down on the list, in my opinion, are the 2-3 passes where he put it over his RBs head on a 2 yard pass. Call a fucking game that gives them a fighting chance to win. What do they have to lose that they still insist on this ridiculous offense? They have a legitimate QB who is still the leader of this team, and instead the coach is castrating him and treating like a 3rd rate guy to manage a game. That doesn't even work when you have no running game to speak of. Let him go out and win the fucking game or go down trying. I truly believe if they do him the great favor of trading/cutting him after drafting a QB that he will lead a real team deep into the playoffs. good post. It is a Mickey Mouse offense.

That is an insult to the entire Disney universe to compare his shit show to mickey

In comment 13703903 Matt M. said:

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In comment 13703800 That’s Gold, Jerry said: Quote: that it is grossly unfair to assess Eli under these circumstances. He should get a pass for the balance of this season. Again, anyone who believes this is remotely Eli's fault is simply not dealing with reality. Now that he has broken Peyton's record and we know he will never catch Favre, time to let Eli sit and rest. I never, ever thought I would say that. He doesn't need rest. He needs a new team. This isn't just about the lack of talent around him. It is also (equally?) terrible coaching. He is one of two real assets on offense, yet we are running a Mickey Mouse offense. What does anyone expect asking him to throw 2 yard pass after 2 yard pass? He puts it in the ribs of his RBs and receivers and they drop it because they are all worried about turning and running. Then he takes 3 steps and has a DL right on him. ETC. Way down on the list, in my opinion, are the 2-3 passes where he put it over his RBs head on a 2 yard pass. Call a fucking game that gives them a fighting chance to win. What do they have to lose that they still insist on this ridiculous offense? They have a legitimate QB who is still the leader of this team, and instead the coach is castrating him and treating like a 3rd rate guy to manage a game. That doesn't even work when you have no running game to speak of. Let him go out and win the fucking game or go down trying. I truly believe if they do him the great favor of trading/cutting him after drafting a QB that he will lead a real team deep into the playoffs.

Very good post Matt. Maybe he does need a mental break because i5 can really wear on you having to constantly pretend everything is normal.

In comment 13704032 M.S. said:

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In comment 13703988 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though. +1 Eli played poorly and has had a number of bad games this year and no, it's not all on the OL and the injuries...Eli has squandered a number of opportunities that you can't hang on anyone else but him. However to suggest that the problem is Eli's energy level or ability to inspire his teammates is beyond stupid. Did you compare his blank stares from every other game he's ever played to last night's game and see some subtle difference that the rest of us missed? Have you ever played the game?

I played in HS. What does that have to do with anything?

Is that the extent of your ability to handle anyone who disagrees with one of your incredibly bad takes (and there have been many of the years) to infer that the only reason they're disagreeing with you is because they haven't "played the game" and you have?

If you've played football at a major college level or in the NFL I'd be absolutely shocked, because you've never demonstrated a knowledge of the game above BBI average. So I have no idea what you're going for with that comment.

In any event, Eli has looked the same game after game year after year, whether he's winning or losing. If you think it's something else then it has more to do with what you're feeling than what your years of "game playing" experience has taught you.

the game at a meaningful level I will shit in my hat in a live webcast on BBI...

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the game at a meaningful level I will shit in my hat in a live webcast on BBI...

Yeah but if you do that, will you do it with energy and a will to inspire?

feel sorry for him, necessarily. I did feel a little sad that he couldn't top 100 yds passing. I don't think I've ever seen a time (other than '04), when he struggled to get yards in so many games. How many times has he gone into the half this year with under 100 yds passing? It's reached the point where a 200+ game is an accomplishment.

I dunno, maybe I'm imagining it.

In comment 13704082 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 13704032 M.S. said: Quote: In comment 13703988 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 13703786 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think Eli played like crap, but 'inspiration' and 'energy level' are garbage. He's the same guy that led the team to two Super Bowl victories. Maybe not the same player, though. +1 Eli played poorly and has had a number of bad games this year and no, it's not all on the OL and the injuries...Eli has squandered a number of opportunities that you can't hang on anyone else but him. However to suggest that the problem is Eli's energy level or ability to inspire his teammates is beyond stupid. Did you compare his blank stares from every other game he's ever played to last night's game and see some subtle difference that the rest of us missed? Have you ever played the game? I played in HS. What does that have to do with anything? Is that the extent of your ability to handle anyone who disagrees with one of your incredibly bad takes (and there have been many of the years) to infer that the only reason they're disagreeing with you is because they haven't "played the game" and you have? If you've played football at a major college level or in the NFL I'd be absolutely shocked, because you've never demonstrated a knowledge of the game above BBI average. So I have no idea what you're going for with that comment. In any event, Eli has looked the same game after game year after year, whether he's winning or losing. If you think it's something else then it has more to do with what you're feeling than what your years of "game playing" experience has taught you.

I asked if you played because you dismissed the idea of energy and inspiration.

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That is an insult to the entire Disney universe to compare his shit show to mickey

to Mickey, Donald, Pluto and the rest of the crew

he's been lost for so long. Shitty O line for 2 years, now shitty O line with no receivers, and a TE who was coming along, decides he doesnt want to catch the ball. He's in a horizontal offense, but they dont go hurry up like most college teams who run that kind of offense. I hate what the Giants are doing now. It took me until the season was lost this year to just fully go all in and say this GM and coaching staff have to go. Eli could have taken the lead I believe, with that overthrown pass to Vereen. But at this point you gotta throw your hands up and say: "this team is just not good". They deserved to lose by 10 points.

Is that he doesn’t believe in his coach. So I can’t say anything about his demeanor, really looks the same but behind the scenes it could have an impact.

just doing what he is told.