In almost every ranking of QBs throughout Eli’s career, he usually fell in the 8-12 range. I always thought that was prejudice because of the San Diego thing.
But really there is not a vast conspiracy against Eli. He is a good, solid QB who comes big in the postseason. His main positive is durability but he has never been in a class with Brady Rogers Brees Peyton. He is also not as good as Big Ben and some others but he is more durable than they are.
So I think he is relatively the same. Maybe closer to 15 now whereas earlier he was in the 6-10 range. We overrated him earlier and we might be underrating him now.
So he's a level below some of the best to ever play in about 100 years of
The leagues existence. Um ok. And durability is vastly underrated
Or whether we overrated him or underrated him, what I don't get or like are the constant comaints about dumpoffs. Th is isn't what I'm seeing. I'm seeing an offense that consists primarily of very short passes. Their offense is called like the coaching staff has no balls. What's the point of running 11 personnel and then running everyone in a 3 yard pattern.
Overrated LOL..... When Phil Simms left many Giants fans were critical of him and thought we could have won more with a real QB.
It took a 11 years and a lot of mediocrity Before Eli was drafted. He is not Rogers or Brady and my feeling about Brees he is a system QB that is Great in a dome. But like him or not he was a Franchise QB and won 2 Super Bowls....should have won another if not for that Sap Burress.
110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
I'm definitely for a reset with the franchise. Get the next great Giants QB.
But, if Saquon Barkley can be had, and OBJ comes back and is the same OBJ, then this team can still make a run with Eli.
We've all seen how important Ezekiel Elliott is to the Cowboys. That's what Barkley can be for the Giants. But we have to have a strong defense, and a line that isn't a liability. And I actually like how Flowers has rebounded and Wheeler's development, and yes I realize they didn't have stellar games against the Redskins. But if the Giants can get two really good OG's, and they can pound the rock, and take some shots, then Eli can make 1 more run.
But that's not likely going to happen in McAdoo's system. To make it work, Eli might have to give some money back to keep a powerhouse defense behind him and to add a piece on the OL.
Numbers that say: its great to win 2 SBs in 5 years, but this team has been mediocre at best, which in the NFL makes you a bad team. Rivers has a higher winning percentage than Eli, and his record is a reflection of that franchise. Eli was responsible for for the 2 Super Bowls he has won, and without him, and with a great QB like Rivers instead of him, the Giants would have the same record overall, only 0 Super Bowls in that time. Good for the Giants they picked the guy who got them 2 rings. Shame on the Giants for fucking up so many years and wasting this guy's obvious talent. Without the 2 Super Bowls, the Giants are basically the SD Chargers without Ladanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.
It seems the majority of people drawn to the Eli threads are in one of two irrational camps. The first being "Eli sucks and has always been a marginal QB." The second is "Eli is a first ballot HoF, top 5 all time, should play 10 more years." There are no shades of gray with any of these people.
Eli has been a very good QB for the Giants. At times he has flashed excellence and he has flashed mediocrity. In a league with maybe 5-10 very good QBs at any one time, his longevity at that level is excellent. He will be an all time great QB for the Giants, and only idiots will be glad when he is gone. But every player's day comes, and Eli's is too. Acknowledging that doesn't mean you hate him, or don't appreciate what he has accomplished.
We can argue the shades of gray of Eli's career, but honestly the people drawn to these threads -on both sides- are not the ones to do it.
That makes no sense glover. Rivers very well could have won here if trading places. Impossible to say. Are you giving all the credit to elin for Giants two sb?
Mike - this is the primary problem with this debate. I believe like you there is a grey where we can understand he was very good but his time is here. But I do think the pro Eli crowd is less nuanced than the realists.
The realists being a sizable portion of the board that appreciates Eli but think he's mostly done. There are those who don't like him period but it's a small portion.
Most of the hysteria seems to come from the blind Eli loyalists. They immediately call the critics dumb or clueless.
now the Giants front office has not figured out a way to protect a franchise quarterback or establish a run game to give the QB an advantage in the passing game. There have been carousels at the two best safety valves for a QB-- TE and RB.
The Giants front office should be ashamed.
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
Ravens haven’t been much better for Flacco.
Flacco's record is 88-60. I'm unclear on what your argument is?
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
Brees has been great but he is a different animal when outdoors and in less than ideal weather conditions.
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
Ravens haven’t been much better for Flacco.
Flacco's record is 88-60. I'm unclear on what your argument is?
Many of those wins outside of 2012 were in spite of Flacco or he was game-managing them.
Eli didn't look good last night, but we've seen play this way many times before......and I'm talking before 2010.
The thing you have to remember with Eli is, and I've always said it, you have to put good players around him. Do that...he'll get the ball to them.
Right now, he doesn't have much to work with.
But really there is not a vast conspiracy against Eli. He is a good, solid QB who comes big in the postseason. His main positive is durability but he has never been in a class with Brady Rogers Brees Peyton. He is also not as good as Big Ben and some others but he is more durable than they are.
So I think he is relatively the same. Maybe closer to 15 now whereas earlier he was in the 6-10 range. We overrated him earlier and we might be underrating him now.
So he's a level below some of the best to ever play in about 100 years of
The leagues existence. Um ok. And durability is vastly underrated
Therefore he was never really that good.
Fans are unbelievable in how limited their vision can be based on the most recent performances of the athletes they follow.
I see much more of the opposite-judgement against those who critique his current play. Defensiveness and sentimentality.
Why is pointing out he is mostly done a signal to some his body of work is under appreciated?
It took a 11 years and a lot of mediocrity Before Eli was drafted. He is not Rogers or Brady and my feeling about Brees he is a system QB that is Great in a dome. But like him or not he was a Franchise QB and won 2 Super Bowls....should have won another if not for that Sap Burress.
Ravens haven’t been much better for Flacco.
But, if Saquon Barkley can be had, and OBJ comes back and is the same OBJ, then this team can still make a run with Eli.
We've all seen how important Ezekiel Elliott is to the Cowboys. That's what Barkley can be for the Giants. But we have to have a strong defense, and a line that isn't a liability. And I actually like how Flowers has rebounded and Wheeler's development, and yes I realize they didn't have stellar games against the Redskins. But if the Giants can get two really good OG's, and they can pound the rock, and take some shots, then Eli can make 1 more run.
But that's not likely going to happen in McAdoo's system. To make it work, Eli might have to give some money back to keep a powerhouse defense behind him and to add a piece on the OL.
Eli has been a very good QB for the Giants. At times he has flashed excellence and he has flashed mediocrity. In a league with maybe 5-10 very good QBs at any one time, his longevity at that level is excellent. He will be an all time great QB for the Giants, and only idiots will be glad when he is gone. But every player's day comes, and Eli's is too. Acknowledging that doesn't mean you hate him, or don't appreciate what he has accomplished.
We can argue the shades of gray of Eli's career, but honestly the people drawn to these threads -on both sides- are not the ones to do it.
Mike - this is the primary problem with this debate. I believe like you there is a grey where we can understand he was very good but his time is here. But I do think the pro Eli crowd is less nuanced than the realists.
Most of the hysteria seems to come from the blind Eli loyalists. They immediately call the critics dumb or clueless.
The Giants front office should be ashamed.
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
Ravens haven’t been much better for Flacco.
Flacco's record is 88-60. I'm unclear on what your argument is?
Brees has been great but he is a different animal when outdoors and in less than ideal weather conditions.
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110-105. It’s conceivable that if he starts all of 2018, he’ll be a sub .500 QB after 15 seasons. What an epic failure on the part of the organization from top to bottom.
Ravens haven’t been much better for Flacco.
Flacco's record is 88-60. I'm unclear on what your argument is?
Many of those wins outside of 2012 were in spite of Flacco or he was game-managing them.