it's consecutive starts, not "consecutive wins" or any stat that has to do with the success of the team or even the performance of the player. sure, it makes Eli an ironman, but it is not a success metric (see the record of 110-100).
if anyone WITHIN the organization is taking it into account they're nuts.
BTW, if they keep the streak going through the end of next year it is possible Eli will retire with a LOSING RECORD! Not sure why anyone would want that.
Let’s lose the rest of the season then and never know what Webb could do.
Not before then.
What does 2-9 have to do with Eli being gay?
Webb isn't the backup because he's not ready to play. This isn't a draft failure or a fuckup. He was drafted as a long-term prospect. At the time, nobody thought the 2017 season was going to go south like this. The thinking was:
Win with Eli in 2017.
Geno's the backup, no thought of him starting barring injury
to Eli.
Webb won't be ready to play until 2018 at the earliest, but in the
meantime he learns from Eli. He never sees the field.
The fact that the "Win with Eli" part is down the tubes doesn't mean Webb is any more ready to play.
So about the streak: It's a games-started streak. They could start Eli, play him for a while, then put in another QB. Streak continues. But nobody's calling for Geno and Webb's not ready. There's no point in playing a QB who's not ready to play. It doesn't help his development and it doesn't help the team.
It's interesting to me that nobody is yet calling for Geno to see some time. I love Eli but I'm not sure he's much better than Geno at this point. I might have to see Geno in a game to be convinced. But that's not gonna happen.
The only reason to bench Eli for Webb with the current o-line and receiver layout is to find out how badly you can shellshock the rookie.
Eli starts but Webb gets some playing time.
If you think the Giants are doing Eli a favor leaving him out there you are nuts !! He looks awful!!
[quote] Eli has given us more than we deserve.
Surely, you jest. Sorry, but Eli isn't a soldier. He's a football player paid handsomely in an era where QBs are more protected than ever, and it's ever than ever to pass...
In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..
Maybe they've decided Eli's going to stick around one or two more years while a first round pick in this year's draft is groomed as his successor, thus relegating Davis Webb to a back-up role long-term anyway.
[quote] Eli has given us more than we deserve.
Surely, you jest. Sorry, but Eli isn't a soldier. He's a football player paid handsomely in an era where QBs are more protected than ever, and it's ever than ever to pass...
In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..
Defense played their asses off until they got gassed which has been the case most of the year .
stop using this webb cant even beat out geno narrative as a crutch.
Would you really? That’s absurd.
Giving up 5 first rounders for anybody is lunacy, but I’m not ashamed to say that if I were to do it, I hope I’m getting a significantly better player than Eli.
Put it this way, if I told you on draft day 2004 exactly what was in store - good and bad - over the next 15 years, would you take it? You'd be crazy not to.
I think the streak loses all meaning anyway after Eli surpasses Peyton in consecutive games started in the regular season and playoffs combined. I think that is 6-7 more games. Eli is going to be the starting QB at the beginning of next season. Webb will compete with whomever the Giants draft this spring for the #2 and 3 QB spots.
I was told there would be no math. I get what you're saying. I guess I'm just not a big believer in Davis Webb right now - not that it matters, I'm no scout or coach. I just think come next year we'll be playing in a new offense and have a first round QB added to the roster. If anything, our shitty season has made it less likely Davis Webb has any sort of career as a starter with the Giants.
I'm not against giving him a look down the stretch, I'm just irritated that Eli's streak has suddenly become some referendum on how much John Mara cares about his franchise. There are plenty of legit reasons why Davis Webb hasn't played that have nothing to do with Eli's streak.
If the game is unwinnable in the 4th quarter, Webb should be inserted for a few series to get some game experience.
In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..
Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
if Eli had fallen in the bathtub an missed a game 8 years ago the team would do one thing, but since he didn't the team will do another?
not saying Webb is Wentz, but if Wentz were the backup we'd be happy sitting him for a couple of extra years to keep the streak going?
the streak should not be a discussion point. who cares, it's meaningless.
We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?
Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.
Webb hasn't played yet because we don't need him to. I don't think any team thinks its ideal for a rookie QB to start. Its usually teams like Houston, Cleveland, and the Bears who start them because there really isn't any other option. Sometimes frankly this hurts the QB's development. Kizer has been in and out of the line-up, I'm not sure this is helping him.
Time to hang 'em up.
You guys act like Eli has been getting his head bashed in, that’s not the case at all. If Eli had any mobility at all I bet half those sacks are not there .
The plan for Webb to be a clipboard holder for a year went out the window in a 2-9 season . The Giants offense is unwatchable right now.
We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?
Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.
That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.
Eli has made millions. Again, why do Ina good fan not deserve Eli.
Take off the Eli glasses, the show is over! He brought us 2 SB’s that we all are appreciative of. But the season is over, there is no saving grace for this Staff. It was evident when the defense quit on mcadoofus in San Fran.
Let Eli continue to start but slowly start to work Webb in. There is nothing else to lose. Maybe this kid can throw the 5 yd passes and screens that Eli can’t ...
Quote:
first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.
We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?
Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.
That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.
Says who? Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Brett Favre. Rivers sat two behind Brees.
The reason guys don't sit for long when drafted Top five is because that team had a shit quarterback to begin with.
That's not the case here, it has nothing to do with "how it's done".
Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?
The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.
There's literally no value in starting Webb - it's just petty.
But it's damn time to get Webb some snaps in a real game. If that somehow hurts the feelings of Manning or his fans, that the organization can and will live with.
It's hard for the staff to know where he is, it has to be, he's not even getting the 2nd team reps in practice. And believe me we would know if he did.
You know who would have Webb suiting up to see what he had? Tom Coughlin circa 2004.
Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?
The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.
Exactly. In 2007 when he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with a separated shoulder, he showed up.
In the 2011 NFC Championship game where he dropped back 58 times against a San Fran defense that was absolutely destroying him, he played with the flu.
And who knows how many other times we don't know about. Whiny, unappreciative, entitled brats. "'We' need to see Webb!" No you don't. If the coaching staff and front office don't, you don't either.
Quote:
In comment 13704167 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.
We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?
Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.
That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.
Says who? Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Brett Favre. Rivers sat two behind Brees.
The reason guys don't sit for long when drafted Top five is because that team had a shit quarterback to begin with.
That's not the case here, it has nothing to do with "how it's done".
Well, despite the fact I agree with you, reality is if the Giants pick a QB in the first in the 2018 draft it's more likely than not IMO he sits behind Eli for just one year then Eli and the Giants part ways when Eli is 38/39 and they save 17M on the cap by parting ways with him.
Quote:
I went to work sick on Tuesday and Wednesday this week because I haven't missed a day this year and I want to keep that zero next to my name.
Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?
The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.
Exactly. In 2007 when he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with a separated shoulder, he showed up.
In the 2011 NFC Championship game where he dropped back 58 times against a San Fran defense that was absolutely destroying him, he played with the flu.
And who knows how many other times we don't know about. Whiny, unappreciative, entitled brats. "'We' need to see Webb!" No you don't. If the coaching staff and front office don't, you don't either.
Britt - that's the kind of post where people (me included) - stop taking you seriously and feel like you trash threads.
Wanting to see what a relatively high draft pick has, in a completely lost season, makes someone an entitled, whiny brat? Come on dude.