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I don't understand why people care about the streak

markky : 11/24/2017 2:58 pm
it's consecutive starts, not "consecutive wins" or any stat that has to do with the success of the team or even the performance of the player. sure, it makes Eli an ironman, but it is not a success metric (see the record of 110-100).

if anyone WITHIN the organization is taking it into account they're nuts.

BTW, if they keep the streak going through the end of next year it is possible Eli will retire with a LOSING RECORD! Not sure why anyone would want that.
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Respect  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2017 3:07 pm : link
Eli has given us more than we deserve. This guy has played through injuries. He has gotten his ass handed to him numerous times. He has kept his mouth shut behind some pretty horrendous OLs. He goes out and does his job. He shouldn't be the scapegoat for the failures of those around him.
But that record will never be broken,  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2017 3:17 pm : link
He will not Best our Farve so it’s meaning less.

Let’s lose the rest of the season then and never know what Webb could do.
We'll know what Webb can do...  
Canton : 11/24/2017 3:20 pm : link
When Eli decided to hang them up.

Not before then.
What the hell does starting Eli have to do with not knowing  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2017 3:22 pm : link
what Webb can do? One isn't dependent upon the other.
Lol they are 2-9....  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2017 3:22 pm : link
Time for Eli to grab some wood.
RE: Lol they are 2-9....  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2017 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13704052 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Time for Eli to grab some wood.


What does 2-9 have to do with Eli being gay?
Here's the big picture:  
81_Great_Dane : 11/24/2017 3:26 pm : link
Geno is the backup. Eli is better than Geno Smith. Eli gives them a better chance to win than Geno. They're not going to bench Eli for Geno. Nobody is calling for Geno. So that's off the table.

Webb isn't the backup because he's not ready to play. This isn't a draft failure or a fuckup. He was drafted as a long-term prospect. At the time, nobody thought the 2017 season was going to go south like this. The thinking was:

Win with Eli in 2017.

Geno's the backup, no thought of him starting barring injury
to Eli.

Webb won't be ready to play until 2018 at the earliest, but in the
meantime he learns from Eli. He never sees the field.

The fact that the "Win with Eli" part is down the tubes doesn't mean Webb is any more ready to play.

So about the streak: It's a games-started streak. They could start Eli, play him for a while, then put in another QB. Streak continues. But nobody's calling for Geno and Webb's not ready. There's no point in playing a QB who's not ready to play. It doesn't help his development and it doesn't help the team.

It's interesting to me that nobody is yet calling for Geno to see some time. I love Eli but I'm not sure he's much better than Geno at this point. I might have to see Geno in a game to be convinced. But that's not gonna happen.
Whatever Webb can do...  
an_idol_mind : 11/24/2017 3:31 pm : link
we know what he can't currently do, and that's beat out Geno Smith.

The only reason to bench Eli for Webb with the current o-line and receiver layout is to find out how badly you can shellshock the rookie.
And you’re basing  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2017 3:35 pm : link
Webb not being ready off this clueless coaching staff??

Eli starts but Webb gets some playing time.

If you think the Giants are doing Eli a favor leaving him out there you are nuts !! He looks awful!!
RE: Respect  
bw in dc : 11/24/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13704030 robbieballs2003 said:
[quote] Eli has given us more than we deserve.

Surely, you jest. Sorry, but Eli isn't a soldier. He's a football player paid handsomely in an era where QBs are more protected than ever, and it's ever than ever to pass...

In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..
I don't think fans really care  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 3:39 pm : link
but it's an impressive streak that means something to Eli, as it would any player. Interrupting it by benching a healthy Eli in a lost season would just be a slap in the face. Davis Webb was drafted as a developmental player - that timeline doesn't necessarily change just because the season went to shit. You want to see Geno Smith? I sure as hell don't.
What I find more irritating  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 3:43 pm : link
are the fans who act like stopping the streak is proof the Giants all of a sudden care more about the future of the franchise - "Not even Eli's streak matters to us anymore! The gloves are off!!"

Maybe they've decided Eli's going to stick around one or two more years while a first round pick in this year's draft is groomed as his successor, thus relegating Davis Webb to a back-up role long-term anyway.
RE: RE: Respect  
Les in TO : 11/24/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13704078 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13704030 robbieballs2003 said:
[quote] Eli has given us more than we deserve.

Surely, you jest. Sorry, but Eli isn't a soldier. He's a football player paid handsomely in an era where QBs are more protected than ever, and it's ever than ever to pass...

In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..
yup.
I have no problem with Eli starting games in  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2017 3:51 pm : link
A lost 2-9 dreadful season. But he couldn’t move the team last night at all . He missed several easy throws and yes there were some drop. But 15 points the last 2 games is not going to cut it.

Defense played their asses off until they got gassed which has been the case most of the year .

Eli has underperformed?  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 3:54 pm : link
What the hell were the expectations? If you told me Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield would have the same career for the Giants that Eli is having, I'd give up five first round picks, maybe more.
I can't believe people's expectations for Eli were this low.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2017 3:57 pm : link
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I was responding to the comments about his career,  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 3:58 pm : link
not this season. Obviously he's been poor this season.
geno smith is the backup  
hitdog42 : 11/24/2017 3:59 pm : link
because he is the veteran and the coach is still going for his job- and the vet will get the nod when he is competent.

stop using this webb cant even beat out geno narrative as a crutch.
RE: Eli has underperformed?  
bigbluehoya : 11/24/2017 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13704102 bceagle05 said:
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What the hell were the expectations? If you told me Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield would have the same career for the Giants that Eli is having, I'd give up five first round picks, maybe more.


Would you really? That’s absurd.

Giving up 5 first rounders for anybody is lunacy, but I’m not ashamed to say that if I were to do it, I hope I’m getting a significantly better player than Eli.
If I knew Josh Rosen  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 4:10 pm : link
was going to start 200+ straight games, throw for more than 50K yards, 300+ TD passes, lead the league in INTS three times, be a little up and down, and, most importantly, QB us to two Super Bowls, then yes I'd give up quite a few first rounders. It's not a great hypothetical because no QB does these things by himself, but you get the idea. I was just responding to the notion that somehow Eli's been a disappointment. It's insane.

Put it this way, if I told you on draft day 2004 exactly what was in store - good and bad - over the next 15 years, would you take it? You'd be crazy not to.
He is starting because he gives the Giants the  
AnnapolisMike : 11/24/2017 4:13 pm : link
best chance to win. And the streak will continue until the NYG's have a better option at QB. End of story.

I think the streak loses all meaning anyway after Eli surpasses Peyton in consecutive games started in the regular season and playoffs combined. I think that is 6-7 more games. Eli is going to be the starting QB at the beginning of next season. Webb will compete with whomever the Giants draft this spring for the #2 and 3 QB spots.

if you knew that in week 11 of his second year Josh Rosen would turn  
markky : 11/24/2017 4:33 pm : link
the team into Superbowl favorites, would you draft him and then start him in his first year? Or would you have him ride the pine his first year even though you had no chance to go to the Superbowl or even the playoffs that year?
I totally disagree  
silverfox : 11/24/2017 4:36 pm : link
That Eli gives the giants the best chance to win. That boat sailed a long time ago.
RE: if you knew that in week 11 of his second year Josh Rosen would turn  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13704143 markky said:
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the team into Superbowl favorites, would you draft him and then start him in his first year? Or would you have him ride the pine his first year even though you had no chance to go to the Superbowl or even the playoffs that year?


I was told there would be no math. I get what you're saying. I guess I'm just not a big believer in Davis Webb right now - not that it matters, I'm no scout or coach. I just think come next year we'll be playing in a new offense and have a first round QB added to the roster. If anything, our shitty season has made it less likely Davis Webb has any sort of career as a starter with the Giants.

I'm not against giving him a look down the stretch, I'm just irritated that Eli's streak has suddenly become some referendum on how much John Mara cares about his franchise. There are plenty of legit reasons why Davis Webb hasn't played that have nothing to do with Eli's streak.
Eli Should Continue To Start And Webb Should Be Active  
Trainmaster : 11/24/2017 4:48 pm : link
If the game is still winnable and Eli gets injured (knock on wood), Geno Smith should play.

If the game is unwinnable in the 4th quarter, Webb should be inserted for a few series to get some game experience.
RE: RE: Respect  
Diver_Down : 11/24/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13704078 bw in dc said:
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In fact, a case can be made Eli, outside of 5 insane playoff weeks in his career, has under-performed..


Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
I just think the streak should have nothing to do with  
markky : 11/24/2017 4:53 pm : link
what the team does or doesn't do. they should do whatever is more likely to get us to the next Superbowl.

if Eli had fallen in the bathtub an missed a game 8 years ago the team would do one thing, but since he didn't the team will do another?

not saying Webb is Wentz, but if Wentz were the backup we'd be happy sitting him for a couple of extra years to keep the streak going?

the streak should not be a discussion point. who cares, it's meaningless.
I dont even understand why people 'need' to see Webb  
MetsAreBack : 11/24/2017 4:58 pm : link
first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.

We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?

Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.
going forward Eli can play the 1st series then get his shinebox  
gtt350 : 11/24/2017 4:59 pm : link
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I think Eli should start and Webb should be active as the #2  
PatersonPlank : 11/24/2017 5:23 pm : link
Geno can go to the PS, or back to the Jets, it really doesn't matter at this point. If the game is out of hand then put in Webb for a quarter. Its time to start getting his feet wet.

Webb hasn't played yet because we don't need him to. I don't think any team thinks its ideal for a rookie QB to start. Its usually teams like Houston, Cleveland, and the Bears who start them because there really isn't any other option. Sometimes frankly this hurts the QB's development. Kizer has been in and out of the line-up, I'm not sure this is helping him.
Rookie  
Dragon : 11/24/2017 6:07 pm : link
QB’s do start look they only learn on the field not much more can be done sooner or later.
Eli's current streak  
fivehead : 11/24/2017 9:50 pm : link
is more like a brown skid in his underpants.

Time to hang 'em up.
So let him start the game...  
EricJ : 11/24/2017 9:59 pm : link
play a couple of series and then let the kid get in there so we can see what he can do.
Lol Webb probably has been playing QB  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2017 9:59 pm : link
Most his life... how the hell is getting game action going to hurt him?

You guys act like Eli has been getting his head bashed in, that’s not the case at all. If Eli had any mobility at all I bet half those sacks are not there .

The plan for Webb to be a clipboard holder for a year went out the window in a 2-9 season . The Giants offense is unwatchable right now.
You really wouldn’t trade 5 first round picks for 2 Super Bowl  
Dave in PA : 11/24/2017 10:00 pm : link
Victories? That seems like a no brainer trade to me.
See Buffalo Bills last week  
spike : 11/24/2017 10:17 pm : link
Thats what Webb will do on the field if we put him up there, like Peterman.
The staff cant put Eli  
Dankbeerman : 11/24/2017 11:05 pm : link
in a position to suceed, I have no faith i them forcing Webb into action. I think it will have a negative impact the way the guys are dropping out there
RE: I dont even understand why people 'need' to see Webb  
seanr : 11/25/2017 12:12 am : link
In comment 13704167 MetsAreBack said:
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first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.

We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?

Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.


That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.
Anyone every consider that perhaps Eli can’t put himself  
bhill410 : 11/25/2017 2:25 am : link
In a position to succeed? This website over rates the guy like no other.
The Robbie  
joeinpa : 11/25/2017 7:10 am : link
Eli gave us more than we deserve. Why? I ve been a very loyal fan and have invested much time and money following this team.

Eli has made millions. Again, why do Ina good fan not deserve Eli.
Why can't he start and play the first half  
Montreal Man : 11/25/2017 7:27 am : link
and Webb comes in and finishes the game? The streak is alive and we can see what Webb can do. Two problems solved.
Guys , they are 2-9..... can’t move the football against  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/25/2017 8:05 am : link
A mediocre at best defense like Washington!

Take off the Eli glasses, the show is over! He brought us 2 SB’s that we all are appreciative of. But the season is over, there is no saving grace for this Staff. It was evident when the defense quit on mcadoofus in San Fran.

Let Eli continue to start but slowly start to work Webb in. There is nothing else to lose. Maybe this kid can throw the 5 yd passes and screens that Eli can’t ...
RE: RE: I dont even understand why people 'need' to see Webb  
Britt in VA : 11/25/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13704441 seanr said:
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In comment 13704167 MetsAreBack said:


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first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.

We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?

Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.



That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.


Says who? Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Brett Favre. Rivers sat two behind Brees.

The reason guys don't sit for long when drafted Top five is because that team had a shit quarterback to begin with.

That's not the case here, it has nothing to do with "how it's done".
As for the op....  
Britt in VA : 11/25/2017 8:07 am : link
I don't understand why people don't. People don't appreciate hard work, dedication, and professionalism. A lost art in the age of entitlement.
If I was Eli I would care about the streak  
IIT : 11/25/2017 8:42 am : link
I went to work sick on Tuesday and Wednesday this week because I haven't missed a day this year and I want to keep that zero next to my name.

Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?

The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.
...  
christian : 11/25/2017 8:44 am : link
Respecting Manning's accomplishments is good for the perception and morale of the team.

There's literally no value in starting Webb - it's just petty.

But it's damn time to get Webb some snaps in a real game. If that somehow hurts the feelings of Manning or his fans, that the organization can and will live with.

It's hard for the staff to know where he is, it has to be, he's not even getting the 2nd team reps in practice. And believe me we would know if he did.

You know who would have Webb suiting up to see what he had? Tom Coughlin circa 2004.

RE: If I was Eli I would care about the streak  
Britt in VA : 11/25/2017 8:47 am : link
In comment 13704496 IIT said:
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I went to work sick on Tuesday and Wednesday this week because I haven't missed a day this year and I want to keep that zero next to my name.

Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?

The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.


Exactly. In 2007 when he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with a separated shoulder, he showed up.

In the 2011 NFC Championship game where he dropped back 58 times against a San Fran defense that was absolutely destroying him, he played with the flu.

And who knows how many other times we don't know about. Whiny, unappreciative, entitled brats. "'We' need to see Webb!" No you don't. If the coaching staff and front office don't, you don't either.
RE: RE: RE: I dont even understand why people 'need' to see Webb  
pjcas18 : 11/25/2017 8:50 am : link
In comment 13704476 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13704441 seanr said:


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In comment 13704167 MetsAreBack said:


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first he isnt' ready, but even if he was.

We draft in the top 3 next spring and one of the QBs everyone thinks can be a franchise player falls to us - we're going to pass based on 3-4 garbage time games from Webb?

Really? That would be incredibly stupid. No, at a minimum you'd draft the QB and have the two compete in camp the next few summers.



That's not how it's done anymore. If you draft a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft the most he sits is one year.



Says who? Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Brett Favre. Rivers sat two behind Brees.

The reason guys don't sit for long when drafted Top five is because that team had a shit quarterback to begin with.

That's not the case here, it has nothing to do with "how it's done".


Well, despite the fact I agree with you, reality is if the Giants pick a QB in the first in the 2018 draft it's more likely than not IMO he sits behind Eli for just one year then Eli and the Giants part ways when Eli is 38/39 and they save 17M on the cap by parting ways with him.
RE: RE: If I was Eli I would care about the streak  
christian : 11/25/2017 8:54 am : link
In comment 13704498 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13704496 IIT said:


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I went to work sick on Tuesday and Wednesday this week because I haven't missed a day this year and I want to keep that zero next to my name.

Is taking pride in dedication and consistency as it relates to your job that difficult to understand?

The streak says a lot about Eli and I appreciate and applaud it.



Exactly. In 2007 when he was supposed to miss 4-6 weeks with a separated shoulder, he showed up.

In the 2011 NFC Championship game where he dropped back 58 times against a San Fran defense that was absolutely destroying him, he played with the flu.

And who knows how many other times we don't know about. Whiny, unappreciative, entitled brats. "'We' need to see Webb!" No you don't. If the coaching staff and front office don't, you don't either.


Britt - that's the kind of post where people (me included) - stop taking you seriously and feel like you trash threads.

Wanting to see what a relatively high draft pick has, in a completely lost season, makes someone an entitled, whiny brat? Come on dude.
Why People Care About the Streak  
Jim in NH : 11/25/2017 9:04 am : link
They want Eli Manning to be more than he is. That's why.
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