it's consecutive starts, not "consecutive wins" or any stat that has to do with the success of the team or even the performance of the player. sure, it makes Eli an ironman, but it is not a success metric (see the record of 110-100).
if anyone WITHIN the organization is taking it into account they're nuts.
BTW, if they keep the streak going through the end of next year it is possible Eli will retire with a LOSING RECORD! Not sure why anyone would want that.
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry.
This post wins the thread! I wish I had read it before I just laid down a wall of beige.
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry. [/quote
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry. [/quote
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry. [/quote
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry. [/quote
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Eli is not solely responsible for his team's record. I can go through the years and name games where his team let him down. 2008? His best WR shoots himself in the leg. 2009? CC Brown is your starting safety. How about 2010? Defense and special teams blow a 21 pt 4th quarter lead that would have assured us of winning the NFC East over the Eagles. 2012-2015, his offensive line starts to get old. 2016, he comes out in Green Bay throwing darts and his WRs can't catch them.
Here's some more facts -- the defense you laud so much for winning those playoff games, it gave up the lead in both Super Bowls. Without Eli Manning, that defense is not wearing the Super Bowl rings that they are currently wearing.
Some more facts, when you give Eli Manning a decent offensive line and a competent defense, you have a chance of winning football games.
I am simply going to repeat two grand and salient facts, both aggregated over 14 years, and let them sink in: a W-L record of less than 10 games above .500, while accumulating the second most career earnings in the history of this sport.
And this: Eli's defense did not give up 20 points in any of his 8 playoff victories. This includes a second half at Dallas (after being tied at half-Ike) in which Eli's offense gained a total of 57 yards, includes giving up only 14 points to the greatest team (greatest offense, really) in NFL history in Super Bowl 42, and includes giving up only 17 points -- and scored 2, so a net of only 15 points -- against the best offense that season in Super Bowl 46.
And, finally, can anyone offer an example to counter this summary: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli Manning has always maximized his own interest in any actions he takes, or does not take. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and not that his actions or inactions did not carry other effects, but let us readily acknowledge such, and treat him accordingly, starting with rejecting the absurd show of gratitude "He has given us more than we deserve" remark that appeared at the top of this thread. Eli Manning has been treated extremely well by the franchise and the fans. We do not owe him anything. In fact, we deserve more.
Here’s an example. Week 1, 2007. His defense looks like utter dogshit in a 45-35 loss in Dallas. Towards the end of the game, he injured his shoulder and the team doctors tell him he’s out 4 weeks minimum.
Was he a player who “maximized his own interests” then? What does a guy like Jay Cutler do in that spot?
Yes, 26 year old unproven QBs definitely act exactly like 36 year old QBs with 2 rings and $200M under their belt. Great example.
His sentence said “starting from the day he was drafted...”. Let’s say he sat out the 4 weeks. Do we win the Super Bowl? Do we have even a 500 season?
There is no way around the fact that the Giants have paid Eli more than any franchise has paid any player, and paid a king's ransom in the draft to acquire him, and have been marginally above .500 for his career. Those are real numbers. That actually happened. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB who led the league in interceptions three times. They paid more money than any team has ever paid any player for a QB that has failed to win a playoff game in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Yep. Forget the fact that his offensive line has sucked for the last 5 years. Forget the fact that his best target shot himself in the leg when we were the best team in the league in 2008. Forget that his defense blew a 21 pt 4th quarter lead in 2010 when one play clinched the NFC East. Most importantly, forget the two Super Bowl wins. Any average idiot could have won those games. We paid a bunch of money for Mark Brunell!
I guess you can only defend the playoff wins part of the argument? Not the narrowly above .500 career winning percentage or leading the league in interceptions three times? Got it.
Excuses are fine. We all appreciate the two Lombardis that Eli (and great defensive efforts) brought us, but if you can't see the forest for the trees, I'm sorry. [/quote
If somebody came to you and said you're about to draft the 2nd highest paid player in NFL history in the future, but he's going to give you two championships in two runs for the ages, never miss a game, and finish Top 10 in every statistical category, would you sign up for that? Or would it not be worth it?
Ask that someone to provide you complete set of information: this 2nd highest paid player is a career .500 QB after 14 years and 220 games; he has had two playoff-winning seasons in those 14; and out of those 14, he has been regarded by his professional peers as top 3 in his position in no more than 2, and, no, there has NEVER been a vast conspiracy orchestrated by players and media to suppress our beloved Eli.
Now judge him again, as the 2nd highest paid player of all time. Do you think it is justified?? I am not against him in collecting every dollar of those money, but I seriously resent the absurd grievance that poor Eli has Not been appreciated enough, that "he has given us more than we deserve."
No, the opposite is true: we have given him more than he deserves.
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He showed up every week, didn't he? And still does. Was he a professional? Did he ultimately win two championships?
If somebody came to you and said you're about to draft the 2nd highest paid player in NFL history in the future, but he's going to give you two championships in two runs for the ages, never miss a game, and finish Top 10 in every statistical category, would you sign up for that? Or would it not be worth it?
Ask that someone to provide you complete set of information: this 2nd highest paid player is a career .500 QB after 14 years and 220 games; he has had two playoff-winning seasons in those 14; and out of those 14, he has been regarded by his professional peers as top 3 in his position in no more than 2, and, no, there has NEVER been a vast conspiracy orchestrated by players and media to suppress our beloved Eli.
Now judge him again, as the 2nd highest paid player of all time. Do you think it is justified?? I am not against him in collecting every dollar of those money, but I seriously resent the absurd grievance that poor Eli has Not been appreciated enough, that "he has given us more than we deserve."
No, the opposite is true: we have given him more than he deserves.
Boom, roasted.
Not at all! I have been watching the same team you have and I recognize all of those things. I just think it's crazy to give Eli all of the credit for the wins and none of the blame for the losses. It should be a little more evenly distributed.
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Fricking Albanian, lol. Back to the discussion, so the lack of playoff wins besides the SB years — it’s all on Eli? He shot Plax? He gave up 21 pts to the Eagles in 8 minutes? He made Beckham and the other WRs drop those balls in last year’s playoff game? He made Snee, Diehl, and O’Hara get old? It’s his fault alone!
Not at all! I have been watching the same team you have and I recognize all of those things. I just think it's crazy to give Eli all of the credit for the wins and none of the blame for the losses. It should be a little more evenly distributed.
And that’s fine. He surely has his share of the blame. I just take issue when he receives all of the blame without consideration to the other issues.
Hate to break it to you, but....
1. Eli Manning will be the week 1 starter for the Giants next year barring catastrophic injury. He's not getting cut or traded.
2. Davis Webb will not stop the Giants from taking a QB in Round 1 if a guy they covet is available, no matter what Davis Webb does or doesn't show them.
The sooner some of you accept that reality, the more productive some of these discussions can become.
And for number 2, the Giants would be wise to trade to get their guy like they did Eli inclusive of sending some of our talented malcontents to Cleveland or wherever.