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Three Reasons Not to Start Webb...

trueblueinpw : 11/24/2017 4:30 pm
1. He isn't ready to suit up for an NFL game. Well, at least according to the current Giants coaching staff. Webb doesn't play on Sunday beyond the simulated game the coaches run him through before the real game. To me at least, this means the Giants coaches don't think Webb is ready for live fire NFL play. Maybe he doesn't know the offense well enough? Who knows? But for now at least, he doesn't appear to be ready.

2. It's nearly impossible for him to succeed this season. The offense has been horrible with Eli Manning at QB for at least two seasons. We can debate Eli's role in the offensive failures but even those most critical of Eli would have to admit there's very little talent on the offense today. The offensive line is terrible. Would Webb be any better at avoiding whoever Flowers is letting in the backfield? Maybe... But maybe Eli is the most durable Giants QB ever because he's really good at avoiding killer hits and maybe Webb wouldn't be as good at this particular facet of the game. There isn't a starting caliber RB on the Giants roster that I can see. There are practice squad receivers at split end and the tight end we drafted has a case of the dropsies. The head coach and offensive coaching staff haven't been able to solve the Tampa 2 defense in two seasons now. It's extremely unlikely that Webb would have any success in the current Giants offense. Why chance ruining the kid with the dreck Reese has put around?

3. He won't likely run the same offense next year. I don't see any way that McAdoo is back as HC. But if he is (and I hope he is not), Is there any way that Sully is back as O-co? So, chances seem pretty high, that Webb will be on this team next year but that he'll be learning a new offense. I don't know that this is necessarily a great reason not to start him because I'm not sure how well he even knows the McAdoo system (see reason 1 above).

Please note, I'm saying I don't think Webb should START. I'd be fine with giving him some snaps in garbage time with some limited play options to get him acclimatized to the NFL. But I would not start him this season as there doesn't seem to be any real upside and there seems like there's lots of downside. This kid was drafted as a two to three season project. Let's not ruin him just yet.
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RE: I agree with you Mike  
UConn4523 : 11/25/2017 8:41 am : link
In comment 13704490 NikkiMac said:
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However it would be the right time to at least move him up to # 2 QB and cut Geno Smith why is he still taking a roster spot at the very least ?


Because they don’t want him to play this year. It’s really quite simple.
Eli will be cut or he will say enough under a mutual exit.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/25/2017 9:19 am : link
There is no way this coach wants him any longer, and certainly a new coach and possibly new GM will want to start fresh.

And sticking to the ridiculous strategy borne this summer of redshirting Webb, particularly since the season is clearly lost now, is doing so for selfish reasons only. I actually expect this issue to get worse before it gets better and the owner and coach will be forced to get Webb snaps before the season is out.

Watch and see...

RE: If you dont get Webb some playing time...  
Mike from Ohio : 11/25/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13704492 EricJ said:
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(4th quarter in a few games) in a season that is lost, then the coaches and management are even more clueless than I thought. You need to find out what you have and there is no way to know by watching him in practice. Not the way the practices are run in the league today in shorts and a tee shirt.


You don't scrap the plan for developing a QB out of curiosity because your season is over. He wasn't supposed to be ready to play now. He likely isn't ready to play. So play him, why? Because fans want it? As mentioned 1,000 times already, you will not see "what you have" by starting a guy who isn't ready.
You act as if we are looking to see if he is Johnny Unitas 2.0  
Jimmy Googs : 11/25/2017 9:58 am : link
I presume most don’t expect it nor will be disappointed when they don’t see it. For those that are, then they are just talking heads or whatever...

I am looking for some signs that even in a tough situation, the game is not too much for him. That he can run the huddle, try and read the defense. Make an audible. Show some poise.

Start his career...
There  
oldog : 11/25/2017 10:41 am : link
is just no way Webb can comprehend the subtleties of the Giants offensive strategy. Run for 1 yard loss, drop short pass, pass for 4 on third down: or; Run for three, pass for 1, pass for four more, kick. Or, sack fumble, or, throw ball hard at feet of receiver, no, Webb would just mess things up, he couldn't figure out how to be that bad.
RE: There  
Jimmy Googs : 11/25/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13704602 oldog said:
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is just no way Webb can comprehend the subtleties of the Giants offensive strategy. Run for 1 yard loss, drop short pass, pass for 4 on third down: or; Run for three, pass for 1, pass for four more, kick. Or, sack fumble, or, throw ball hard at feet of receiver, no, Webb would just mess things up, he couldn't figure out how to be that bad.


You forgot to mention throw the 35 yard fade down the sideline on 3 and 1.

A key play in our arsenal.
Also the highly unpredictable shotgun draw  
PatersonPlank : 11/25/2017 11:14 am : link
works every 2nd down after we pass on 1st down
But hey it’s heavy handed  
NikkiMac : 11/27/2017 7:25 am : link
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Putting Webb in now would only ruin his development.  
Brown Recluse : 11/27/2017 8:29 am : link
That said, I don't buy any of the garbage from the coaches about him not being ready. I don't believe anything that comes out of these coaches mouth's regarding their players ability to be successful.

My response:  
Section331 : 11/27/2017 9:35 am : link
1 - How do you know he's not ready? Yes, we all assumed this would be a redshirt year, but we're in week 13, and he had 6 weeks of camp, equal to a full NFL season. He has had all season to digest the playbook, and work on footwork, taking snaps under center etc.

2 - While I tend to agree with the OP on point #2, Webb has more mobility than Eli, and can help mitigate the OL's problem by moving the pocket.

3 - What difference does it make that he won't be running McAdoo's offense next year? Using that logic, we should bench Eli for the rest of this season too. Regardless of what offense he runs, giving him PT (whether it's starting or coming in in relief) will allow management to evaluate how he reads coverages, how he recognizes blitzes, responds to pressure, etc.

My guess is that management put the hammer down on McAdoo replacing Eli, but I think that is short sighted. They should be evaluating Webb to see if he has what it takes to be an NFL starter.
I don't see any harm..  
TheEvilLurker : 11/27/2017 10:24 am : link
In having Webb coming in the last play or two of a game, especially when we are losing by two or more scores.

If he's really not ready, and is only a backup, then this is damning for the GM.
If we had a real coaching staff  
Thegratefulhead : 11/27/2017 1:02 pm : link
At 2-9, considering Eli's age, Webb should play the rest of the season. Take all of the reps with the first team. Start his first game, and show him his mistakes. See how the team responds to him, how he handles a huddle. Do this over and over for the rest of the season. If you do not see value in this, you are fucking idiot.

The coach and GM have no balls, they are afraid. Afraid the fucking streak. The streak should have no fucking relevance when weighed against the long term good of the franchise. If starting games would ruin him, he is no fucking good to us. This is information we should need to know.

Losses only help us. Experience for Webb and information for the franchise helps us. It only hurts the stupid fucking streak.
1. He isn't ready to suit up for an NFL game.  
haper : 11/27/2017 2:10 pm : link
He should be ready and if he is not then he isn't the team's QB of the future, imo.
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