This kid is getting better and better every single week. There are a few red flags regarding discipline but I'm really starting to like this kid (culminating with last week's mistake). Today West Virginia - in their typical trash fashion - has been baiting him and his teammates all day. He's been the first to calm his guys down and let his play do the talking.
And he just put up 42 points...in the first half (now 45).
Kid has the highest completion percentage in the country - nearly 70% for his career - can move, has solid mobility and absolutely drops dimes. He's impressed me more than Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, etc.
If I'm GM, I'm definitely looking at a trade down scenario to allow for a Mayfield pick + another in the first round or multiple picks in the 2nd. McShay has him as the fourth QB off the board. The kid is a winner and I really like his fight and skill set.
Don't get your hopes up with mayfield. I'd be shocked if they draft him. The Giants are weird with measurables, especially qb measurables.
Let's be honest, the Giants are weird.
He may be a good one, but doing I can’t take him seriously until I see him do it against one of these big time schools in the playoff. Do it against Alabama and he’ll have my attention. I can’t take West Virginia High School seriously
He may be a good one, but doing I can’t take him seriously until I see him do it against one of these big time schools in the playoff. Do it against Alabama and he’ll have my attention. I can’t take West Virginia High School seriously
It's a fair point and I agree. NFL defenses no doubt offer much stiffer challenges. That said, he's got the physical tools (though a bit short for a QB by a couple inches) to be a really good pro. And he's already more seasoned than either Rosen or Darnold.
I like his swagger and confidence. But I like his skills more.
Whoever brought up the media - and losing more than he's used to - again, fair points. But the kid is definitely an NFL QB. I don't think he's going in the Top 5 - and if the Giants can swing a deal for more picks by trading down and snatching Mayfield - I'm all for it.
Wentz didn’t play against strong competition but he’s 6’5” with tremendous athleticism for a QB. Prescott played in the SEC, so....
Put it this way in regards to the Big 12 defenses, they have QBs breaking records seemingly every single season and yet have exactly ONE starting QB in the NFL. Their claim to fame? The one and only Andy Dalton.
I don't understand the Colt McCoy comparisons. McCoy didn't have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. That was apparent and the reason he wasn't a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Sy has said that Rosen is his top guy right now but he cannot get away from Mayfield. I hope I am not misquoting him.
It sounds to me that Baker Mayfield can leapfrog to the top if he shows well in the playoffs and the shirne or senior bowl plus the combine and other stuff.
As for those who say that this team likes measureables, no one knows what a potential new GM might be looking for in a QB.
By all accounts, he's a coachable kid, and loves the game.
I have a feeling he will really impress at the combine and his stock will soar. I think as it is already, he's probably a mid-first round guy. He might not grade out that high, but somebody is going to fall in love with him and take him there.
If the Giants love him, and think he's a future star, they should take him no matter where they draft. If it's 1st overall, 5th overall, or anywhere in between. Trust your scouts, and don't hesitate to pull the trigger if he's your guy. The old saying is you'd rather take a guy a few picks, or a few rounds early rather than miss out on him all together.
The more I think about it, the more I would really like a mobile QB. Having someone who can move in the pocket, and make throws on the run, is really what this league is turning into. Especially considering the weaknesses of the offense of lines around the league. Having a guy who can make something happen when a play breaks down is priceless. That is how drives get extended.
Yes he did. But Ohio State was not the same team early in the season. Their defense is extremely young. The week before they played Oklahoma they gave up 410 passing yards to....Indiana.
But again, I’m not saying that Mayfield won’t be great, I’m just extremely skeptical. He’s throwing to guys that don’t have defenders within 5 yards of them on most plays
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Could be Colt McCoy or could be Brees. Giants need a clean prospect in round 1.
I don't understand the Colt McCoy comparisons. McCoy didn't have the arm strength to succeed in the NFL. That was apparent and the reason he wasn't a 1st or 2nd round pick.
By Colt McCoy I mean enough skill and athleticism to dominate in college but not enough to translate to the pros.
Mayfield moves around well in college but I’m not sure it will work at the next level. He’s not great at feeling the pressure, but you don’t see it become an issue that often at this level. He also gets away with some throws that will be picks at the next level.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s having a great year and deserves the hype. I just wouldn’t be comfortable taking him top 5.
Absolutely. Even if we want Barkley this can help because right now it seems like SF will take him and they will likely be picking second. If there is less top end talent they will just make the pick. If there are some QBs then there will probably be a team that will package a great deal too good for SF to pass on pushing other players down if we choose to stay put.
No final grading yet.
But gun to my head, I am taking my chance with Mayfield over any of these other QBs right now.
Rosen to me is a gifted, skilled passer, but there’s concerns with his desire to play football, as well and he’s oft injured, which is already not a good sign.
Too many teams needing QB options early on. Browns, Giants, Broncos, Cardinals, Jets. Plus other teams like the Bills and Saints being interested too.
If Darnold doesn’t come out, that really pushes Mayfield if there’s a team that wants him. It only takes one.
Mayfield has impressed me with his touch and passing. He’s got a really good accurate arm for a guy who is shorter and compact in body type.
Completely out of the box. Only way it happens is if some huge profile GM/coach is brought in and he loves mayfield. Then he'd still have to convince Mara tech that mayfield is a safe bet. All the while mayfield can't fuck up some single bit on or off the field from now until next April.
It's not happening. 10 dominoes would need to fall for the Giants to draft mayfield.
It absolutely would. And I like that.
Darnold is a red shirt sophomore.
Jackson and Rosen are juniors.
Allen is a red shirt junior.
Mayfield is a red shirt senior.
If trading down to 10 or 15 gets you out of the QB hunt, so be it, take that risk.
You still get (3?) Legit players for the one, including the one elite type. If not two of those high round 1 types, as they drop..stockpile offensive and defensive linesmen, linebackers and running backs.
If trading down to 10 or 15 gets you out of the QB hunt, so be it, take that risk.
You still get (3?) Legit players for the one, including the one elite type. If not two of those high round 1 types, as they drop..stockpile offensive and defensive linesmen, linebackers and running backs.
The Giants rarely get a chance at a top 5 pick. They aren’t trading that pick to move out of the top 10. They may be open to moving back a couple of spots but then the problem is finding a taker. After the QBs the next group of guys will likely have similar grades so why would a team trade a boatload of picks to move up a couple of spots? There’s no chance that the Giants miss a chance at a top 5 pick to move out of the top 10. This opportunity doesn’t come along very often
Reese has spent an awful lot of time scouting these QBs to proclaim there’s “no shot”. And McAdoo is clearly not an Eli fan. I can actually see him using the “get me a more WCO friendly QB” as his defense to desperately plead his case.
Agree. And that's a shame.
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Agree. And that's a shame.
Having said that watching him today was like watching a budding superstar. He has the 'it' factor in spades.
And that is really concerning. The coach is lost. And he's lost the team. He's got players completely off the reservation.
Mayfield may end up being a pipe dream. And that's shitty.
So that would be my question to those of you who have seen a lot more of his game than I have.
Didn't know we had another professional scout posting on bbi offering top notch analysis. Great post! Awesome.
Exactly! Except, wait, they are literally nothing alike in any way. Great call!
So that would be my question to those of you who have seen a lot more of his game than I have.
I don't recall any broken plays today. Basically everything he threw was from the pocket
And while I'm not looking for the Giants to draft the next St. Eli, some of what he's done this year with the cops and side line antics would write a year's worth of headlines for NY sports media. Put all together, I wonder how huge sums of money and unlimited access to booze, drugs and whatever other mischief he might fancy would interact with his volatile persona.
I think he is likely to either be a very special NFL QB, or a bust.
From what I sae, he was by far the top rated college passer before playing West Virginia. Just wanted to point that out :)
Which seem to feature broken plays that he turns into big gains. How is he at standing tough in the pocket and going through his progressions to hit the open man even if it isn't the first read? I don't want a QB who bolts the pocket if his first option isn't open. And I don't care that he's looking to throw when he escapes the pocket, it's still a broken play. So that would be my question to those of you who have seen a lot more of his game than I have.
I don't recall any broken plays today. Basically everything he threw was from the pocket
Aww. Was that you complaining to the mods because you're a limp dick? Pathetic.
A compliment?
Moxie and desire? You haven't seen it in over 30 years?
They are completely different players in completely different generations.
Is he the next Jeff Kimlo?
Hahaha. Clownshow.
He is the guy...I know, height and Big 12, receivers very open. Please go watch people, he hits people in stride down the field with people in his face. HE IS SO FUCKING ACCURATE> There is no defense against the perfect pass. I think he can be better than R Wilson or D Brees. Mayfield to OBJ would be unstoppable because OBJ can't be covered for than a few seconds at best. Throw great on the run, has touch like we have never seen as Giant fans. Trade up and get him, don't even get cute, heads and shoulders above the other QBs. Arm is above average. I think he is a can't miss. He will be better than Luck. Accuracy, accuracy accuracy.
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Exactly! Except, wait, they are literally nothing alike in any way. Great call!
Plus, flutie was fucking awesome.
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The more value will be there lower down in trade down scenarios.
If trading down to 10 or 15 gets you out of the QB hunt, so be it, take that risk.
You still get (3?) Legit players for the one, including the one elite type. If not two of those high round 1 types, as they drop..stockpile offensive and defensive linesmen, linebackers and running backs.
The Giants rarely get a chance at a top 5 pick. They aren’t trading that pick to move out of the top 10. They may be open to moving back a couple of spots but then the problem is finding a taker. After the QBs the next group of guys will likely have similar grades so why would a team trade a boatload of picks to move up a couple of spots? There’s no chance that the Giants miss a chance at a top 5 pick to move out of the top 10. This opportunity doesn’t come along very often
Buffalo obviously wants a franchise QB and has acquired the ammo to move up for one. If the Giants trade down with Buffalo they’d likely get 2 first rounders in the 15-25 range (maybe better), 2 second rounders, and at least a first in ‘19. That’s 5-6 picks that could yield high end starters even with Reese drafting. That’s my preference as opposed to maybe one elite player at 3.
Ultimately it’s probably academic considering SF is in a better position to trade down. They already acquired their QB, Hyde is a more than capable back, and Barkley isn’t worth number 2 overall.
I haven’t watche a minute of his play. But all descriptions have sounded like Russel Wilson yet nobody but you have mentioned this that I’ve seen.
Tebow had swagger?
Me thinks you don't know what swagger be.
PASS
Short white boy.
Pass.
And that is really concerning. The coach is lost. And he's lost the team. He's got players completely off the reservation.
Mayfield may end up being a pipe dream. And that's shitty.
"unless they lose every single remaining game".
You're betting AGAINST that?
More likely to lose them all than win 1(ONE).
It'd be nice if the outcome of this '17 debacle is the Giants play AHEAD of the curve and not be another copycater and commit to a shotgun-EXCLUSIVELY QB.
I know Payton made Brees this kind of QB, and other teams have drafted mobile, 'gun QBs, but 10 years from now the under C QB will be history.
In the NFL you can't just run at the QB position like you can in college. The defenses are too big, fast, and athletic. You need to be able to pass the ball accurately down the field into small windows. Mobility is great if you can use it to buy more time to throw, something Wilson is great at (like Tarkenton was). However running for the sake of getting yards doesn't cut it in the NFL, and eventually gets the QB hurt (there are lots of examples of this). Even a big guy like Cam got beat up, and now stays in the pocket more. He has learned not to run, but to buy time to throw.
Guys like Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Rudolph, and of course I am throwing Webb in there, have the size and arm strength to play in the NFL. They can also move pretty well, although not as well as Mayfield, but good enough. These guys accuracy will be figured out at the combine. However they definitely have the size and arm to get it done in the NFL.
But of course, if he plays for McAdon't, it doesn't matter, he only needs to be able to throw 3 yard check downs! ;-)
If the off field stuff checks out I’d be on board with taking him.
I think the Giants need to go with a more mobile QB. It is dangerous injury wise, but it is so hard to build a brick wall Oline today, that mobility (Aaron Rodgers style) is needed.
I like Rosen a good bit, but agree we are better off with a few guys up there to compete against Webb next year, after we cut Eli...
I hear that Webb has been lighting up the practice squads games with perfectly accurate deep bombs each game.
But sadly, he's not ready to run this complex offense of 1 run and 2 three yard passes each series...
In the NFL you can't just run at the QB position like you can in college. The defenses are too big, fast, and athletic. You need to be able to pass the ball accurately down the field into small windows. Mobility is great if you can use it to buy more time to throw, something Wilson is great at (like Tarkenton was). However running for the sake of getting yards doesn't cut it in the NFL, and eventually gets the QB hurt (there are lots of examples of this). Even a big guy like Cam got beat up, and now stays in the pocket more. He has learned not to run, but to buy time to throw.
Guys like Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Rudolph, and of course I am throwing Webb in there, have the size and arm strength to play in the NFL. They can also move pretty well, although not as well as Mayfield, but good enough. These guys accuracy will be figured out at the combine. However they definitely have the size and arm to get it done in the NFL.
False about the arm strength furthermore this kid can make every pass with accuracy is mobile and I don’t buy that stuff about playing against inferior defenses he’s winning against the guys that he is going to play against in the future ..... the only thing I wonder about would be his durability taking hits especially if the team plans on running some read option also more bullshit that he can’t take the snap from center ,I seen him do that with success too ..... you have to love this kids passion the only other problem I see imo is he might have some OBJ in him and I don’t no if that’s good or bad
Mayfield is also only 6'1", which is a lot less than the size requirements the Giants have for QBs.
Mayfield has also been playing against dreadful defenses.
I think all of this will apply even with a new GM, although there is certainly a greater chance that Mayfield could be picked in that situation. And unlike Reese, a new GM also has no investment in Webb.
I think therefore that Rosen and Darnold are the only QBs the Giants would consider in the top five, regardless of who is GM.
I have seen a lot of Mayfield. Like others, I agree he's a dynamic, electric, player. He has more than enough arm strength, mobility, and accuracy. I would consider him, even in the top five. But I don't think the Giants will.
Then go into season with Eli Webb and Mayfield let them duke it out !!!!
That’s what I’d like to see anyway !
I would too. Mayfield is another mirage courtesy of the Big 12 clown show...
That is the hardest pass to complete, and its hard to be successful in the nfl without being able to make that throw, imo. (but I'm an accountant, not a scout)