Which of these bug you the most?
1) Character flaw picks: Austin, Moore , Double O
2) Luxury Picks: Wilson, Moss
3) Scheme fits: Travis Beckum , Clint Sintim
4) Pure talent misses (former DB by the way): Sinorce Moss - Ramses Barden, Andre Williams, Adrien Robinson
5) Awful late rd OL drafts (non panned out), Brewer, Herman, Hart, Brandon Mosley
6) Reaches: Mykhelle Thomas, Jay Bromley
7) Resource Allocation: Examples: Over-allocate to fix TE (Adams, Evans, Ellison). Or sign Jenkins and draft Apple. Not drafting LBers.
8) All of the above
9) Combination of some of above
10) Other
For me it's 1) , 2) and 5). Why?
1) Because we weren't good enough to take those risks.
2) David Wilson in RD1? Come on. We desperately needed OL reinforcements. I liked Wilson as a player, he was electric. But we needed OL.
5) Reese gambled with an aging OL and couldn't catch up from the hole the team was in. Still all these years since 2012 the OL hasn't been fixed. This is the blueprint quick fix for the next GM.
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Misses on too many 3rd round picks.
Doesn't spend money on decent FA OL.
Double O was viewed as a great pick....hindsight is 20/20.
I know Seattle did very well during those drafts....but the Giants drafts were relativily fine. the draft is a crap shoot.
one could argue his udfa were better then his late round draft picks.....
his biggest flaw imo was that he allowed the 2011 OL get old without viable replacements...which might be due to Coughlin.
+1
and letting the OL deteriorate was a franchise killer.
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I told you guys don draft that kid prior to..
It's not hindsight
Wilson, Sintim, Moore, OO...it goes on all ten years.
Even when he had hits on skinny, those were positional misses. So you see the trend or bias more clearly.
From your list, I'll say 4 and 7 because those usually occurred in the 2-4 rounds where he needed to hit for depth and didn't. No second contracts and most out of the league.
This guy never trades down and stockpiles picks but then seemingly throws away picks for players to trade up. It is bizarre that they never considering getting more picks.
I could be mistaken but the last trade down was when Accorsi was in charge and we moved back to take Kiwi.
Under Reese, I remember these great trades.
- Trade up in the draft to get Barden even though we had already drafted receivers Nicks and Beckum. Don't give me that Beckum was a tight end - he was a big receiver like Barden. Nicks was also what I would consider a big receiver. At the time, we already had Smith and Manningham. Did we really need to basically spend a draft on receivers?
- Trade up in the draft to get Nassib. Were there concerns about Eli at that time? Not in my mind. The offense at the time, not Eli, was broke. A sure fire way to not fix the offense was by spending two picks on a quarterback in favor of other positions.
- This year, it was Bisnowaty. Maybe he becomes a player but he didn't even make it out of training camp. Maybe Wheeler showed so much that they had to keep him over Bisnowaty. That just proves that the draft is a little bit of a crap shoot and stockpiling picks is usually better than trading up.
I'm thinking there are other examples but maybe they involve players for picks (ex. Brad Wing - do you really need to trade a pick for a punter when teams will not keep 2?)
The next was the move up to get Nassib the Bills coach who had him all through college passed on him 4 times but we feel like it was a steal in the 4th???? and to move up to get him seem stupid.
Finally the Eli Apple and Erik Flowers picks we go after these super young kids thinking they will get extra years out of them but it seems counter productive in that we are wasting cheap contract years waiting for these guys to grow up and into their positions
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-Quuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
If it's such a crap shoot, why hire anyone at all to fill the position? Why pay somebody millions?
It's a bullshit stupid excuse. It's a crap shoot....STFU!
In general, the best players go in the early rounds, and the lousy ones go in the later rounds. But there aren't many scouts or GMs whose track records are so good that they're in demand and other teams are trying to steal their secrets. Belichick's strategy is to stockpile picks, in order to tilt the odds in his favor. He doesn't hit many home runs, but the Pats may end up with more serviceable players than most teams -- because they have more picks.
Double O was viewed as a great pick....hindsight is 20/20.
I know Seattle did very well during those drafts....but the Giants drafts were relativily fine. the draft is a crap shoot.
one could argue his udfa were better then his late round draft picks.....
his biggest flaw imo was that he allowed the 2011 OL get old without viable replacements...which might be due to Coughlin.
Cordy Glenn. Easy. And if not Bobby Wagner? Apple over
Decker? Is what it is. He needs to go but there is an obvious organizational view that DL and DB are priorities and given higher grades than other positions.
Not sure where Chris Mara ends and Reese begins.
and letting the OL deteriorate was a franchise killer.
And this is the big one. He only grabbed Beatty early in his tenure. But the time he clustered OL Pugh Richberg and Flowers it was too late. And shitty RBs hasn't helped
I was also tempted to point out that Jerry Reese doesn't actually make the Giants draft picks but that basic fact doesn't seem to deter people from starting from a false premise so what the heck.
Speaking of fatal flaws of peanut gallery analysts one of the big problems I see is that we tend to micro analyze what the Giants do and then compare it to highlight reel stuff from other teams.
Just for fun I took a look at the recent drafts of the Baltimore Ravens as Eric DeCosta, their top personnel guy, is usually prominently mentioned on lists of favorite possible future replacements for Reese.
Interesting. Of players the Ravens selected in the first three rounds in the past 5 years exactly two are current starters. Two other later round picks are starters but no matter how you cut it 4 starters out of 5 drafts ain't all that good.
One of those starters is LB CJ Moseley, who obviously is a good one. However, the Ravens actually drafted 12 defensive players in the first three rounds of the past 5 drafts but none of the other 11 are current starters. In fact the 11 have combined for all of 80 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 1 pick so far this year. Now that's productivity. Meanwhile, the Ravens selected receivers with their first and second round picks in 2015 and those two have combined for 18 catches for 120 yards and 0 TDs this year.
Of course Decosta doesn't make the picks in Baltimore anymore than Reese does here, but the lesson probably remains: Be careful what you wish for!!
Ultimately it has to be one person, not a committee, and it's still one person even if there is somebody (owner) who can exercise veto power over that final choice. If it's not Reese, then who is it?
The other thing I have been stressing is that while the Giants went thru a dry stretch re their drafts in the 2010-2012, the fact is that their drafts have actually been pretty good over the past five years. And if you don't believe just look at them.
This year. For example. Spending a crap load of time scouting QBs? Too much focus on that to the detriment of other positions?
My guess is that any NFL team with a good DL and decent DC knows that they can dial us up at any time ..in any game as currently constructed. We are skinny assed across the boards.
Except snacks.
Can't fire Mara. Next man up then.
Nicks
Cruz
Terrel Thomas
Kenny Phillips
these guys are still relatively young and if not for injuries and terrible rehab they might STILL be on Giants.. I blame TC and his old school strength and conditioning coaches
SO Reese's big flaw was not insisting that TC fire his S & C coaches after the first year we lead league in injuries
Posters fail to acknowledge me when I say this:
Wilson was a NEED pick. The only RB on the roster at the time was a broken down Bradshaw.
Wilson was a gifted young RB who needed some time to learn to block. Real shame.
You put a good OL on this roster and I still think we're talking playoffs this year - even with the Beckham injury and poor RBs.
You put a good OL on this roster and I still think we're talking playoffs this year - even with the Beckham injury and poor RBs.
Also what was rd 2 was that Randle?
So top 2 picks playmakers. What about guys who can block?
Also what was rd 2 was that Randle?
So top 2 picks playmakers. What about guys who can block?
when was the last time that happen for Giants?
2) Thought that the 2011 team was way better than it really was, which caused him to waste a ton of picks on guys who were only going to be great if they had a better supporting cast.
But his mid-round futility told alot - particularly the 3rd round:
Jay Alford
Mario Manningham
Ramses Barden
Jerrell Jernigan
Jayron Hosley
Damontre Moore
Jay Bromley
Owa Odighizuwa
Darian Thompson
Davis Webb
He got 1 legit player in 10 years. I would post his 4th rounders too but they all suck even worse. The 3rd/4th/even 5th round is where you find your *grunt* players that may not be athletic marvels but are rugged FOOTBALL PLAYERS who keep you competitive & try hard even when things go bad. For every star you get, you need 10 grunt guys like described above and Reese & Ross dont know how to find those players. You get those in the mid-rounds of the draft.