I never wanted the Giants to lose a game before this game, and I want them to get blown out 50-0. Mara has no class at all, he is a gutless piece of shit, hiding behind two of the most incompetent people in the sport.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
I agree. First time I have no interest in the Giants winning. I hope they get blown out the rest of the season.
But I don’t understand doing it now. Who wants to deal with 5 more weeks of talking about this? Just to get 12 quarters of film on Davis Webb with street free agents? Doesn’t seem worth it for me.
The proper way to handle this is exactly as Mara said when addressing McAdoo. Wait till seasons end then evaluate as a whole. If they decide to move on, then rip off the band aid then. This option drags Eli and the fans through the mud.
I would think about calling in sick, this is a lose-lose for you and have you seen the offensive line block? Not good.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
I am beginning to think this whole thing is a ruse .... The Raiders will prep for Geno and he shows up Sunday with a cast on his throwing arm after suffering a "slip slide" in the bathroom ... Eli starts and leads the Giants to a win (and preserves his streak). That has to be the only logical explanation ....?
The Richter scale went off today when the collective jaws of the NFL hit the floor with this announcement ... I am beyond shocked. I am sick to my stomach .... and there is STILL A MONTH LEFT. WHAT NEXT?!
Shameful disgusting move. Carl Banks was livid and expressed himself on Twitter. Snacks comes on talking at Carl Banks and talking complete nonsense! Made me realize that these clowns on this team have no idea about Giants pride and history. It’s all just smoke and mirrors. JPP joking around in the background as Eli is addressing his benching. Maybe he didn’t know yet? Regardless, what has happened to this franchise? Benching Eli felt like the end of the best of the Giants. Damn near impossible to root for this franchise anymore.
I think he made it damn clear today that Eli himself doesn’t give a damn about his streak too. He cares about winning. THIS is one of a hundred reason why fans are infuriated today. You bastards benched the wrong man.
I'm done with this asshole McAdoo. I may make the trip to the Giants game just to boo him out of here.
Yes, Eli streak matters to me, because it matters to him. He has been all class during his years here with some shitty teams and teammate throwing him under the bus. The season is over, why fuck one more thing up.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
I think you are giving the owners way too much credit for thought, planning and connivance they have heretofore not demonstrated.
I sincerely hope that after this classless move by this organization today Benny the Boob, Reese and the Mara spineless no nut boys have the wrath of hell showered on them. I want the stadium filled totally with all the visiting team fans dressed to the max in their team wear and we lose each one of those games 50-0.
Again, if Benny boy and pos Reese are not let go after this debacle I am DONE with this team.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
Per Eli sounds exactly like what they did.
RE: Include me with the minority who are saying... Â
If the goal is to finish with a top two or three draft pick and Webb isn't far enough along in his development to be put behind center, starting Geno Smith is the surest way to finish the season 2-14. Eli is still capable of steering the team to victory on any given Sunday and maybe that's a risk that management didn't want to take. It's not a decision I would've made, but if you strip away the personal/emotional side of it, this is the best thing for the future of the Giants.
If that is the reason why they would make a decision like this, then it is a reason to not like the ownership. As an organization, your goal should NEVER be to lose a game.
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the streak. I am, however, disgusted by this move to the point that I despise ownership, Reese, and McAdoo, all of whom have no fucking balls or a clue. If they want Webb to play so they can make a more informed decision about the draft, then I can understand this move. I still wouldn't love it, but I could understand.
But, Geno makes no sense. He is not in the current, immediate future, or future plans. He doesn't give them a better chance to win. If, as some suggested, that's the point, then this franchise is morally bankrupt.
I firmly believe Eli is not done. I hope they now give him the dignity of cutting him or trading him (by now I obviously mean after the season). I truly think he will lead a good team deep into the playoffs.
If this move truly has the backing of Reese and ownership, I only hope it doesn't mean that McAdoo and Reese are not getting a pass for another year. That would also prove the franchise is rudderless and clueless.
I wish, in this one instance, Eli would not take the high road and the same goes for the rest of the team. I am actually so disgusted I am torn whether to actually not root for the Giants for the first time this weekend. I can't bring myself to, but I can promise that next year I will be rooting for whatever team Eli ends up on and hope he has a big season. Fuck Mara. Fuck Reese. Fuck McAdoo.
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
This is why most are upset. It's not the streak. It's not blind love for Eli. It's starting Geno after making comments both about winning games and next year. Geno isn't the answer to either of those.
but I hope throws 5 picks and fumbles a couple of times .
This is the worst season I have ever witnessed and MacGrease ball has taken the top spot from Ray Handley .
I pray to God they can this smug ass POS !
The Giants have hit rock bottom hell Cleveland could whip our asses 4 out of 5 games .
So great we get the staggering Cowboys at home I hope they
boo every friggen play good bad or ugly much of what will be
ugly . Mara Really you allowed this spam eating slug shit on Eli with nothing at stake . I am fucking stunned I could see if Webb was ready let him play the 2nd half and
the thing about the streak pisses me off as well this change does absolutely nothing for this team FAIL
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
This is how I figure it too. Except I don't think Geno's performance will impact how fast Webb gets in. I think he gets in as fast as coaches think he can without getting killed.
"Guys were kind of fired up,” Geno Smith said of the reaction from teammates to the announcement. “Guys are giving me hugs, handshakes. I think guys have witnessed my story from afar just seeing how things have kind of played out"
I hope this isn't true, and I seriously doubt it too. Who in their right mind would want to see Geno playing over Eli.
It took today to bring me out of lurking. The fact that the Giants are allowing a lame duck HC and GM to torch the relationship with the franchise QB is pretty mind numbing. And it makes me worried that McAdoo will be back next year with his choice at QB. McAdoo never seemed to be an Eli “guy”, from changing his footwork to low key complaining about his lack of mobility to singling him out in the media more than anybody else on the roster.
Wherever Eli plays next year, I’m rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
I'm still in shock. I won't be watching the rest of the year and longer if McAdoo remains. This is his call, but shows pretty clearly he doesn't understand the NYG franchise/culture. I've been opposed to firing him before the season ends...until now. I say fire him immediately, make Sullivan interim head coach with the understanding that Eli is the starter. End of the season he likely gets fired along with most all of the coaches and Reese.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
For those that still thought McAdoo might be a good coach..... Â
The joke is on you. McAdoo is a terrible coach and an idiot with no guts, no honesty or honor, and not a team player but simply out for himself. As a life long Giants fan it will be my pleasure from here on in until both Reese and McAdoo are fired to enjoy watching this team lose! In fact, I will celebrate every NY Giants loss!
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
but this certainly makes more sense (moving to Webb).
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Why does anyone need a look at Geno? I had no problem with signing him to be the backup. But, we all know the player he has been in this league. There's nothing to see there. If they are actually considering him part of their future even as a possibility, they need to be examined.
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.
If Eli went to the Eagles right now, I'd probably root for them to win it all.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
I agree. First time I have no interest in the Giants winning. I hope they get blown out the rest of the season.
The proper way to handle this is exactly as Mara said when addressing McAdoo. Wait till seasons end then evaluate as a whole. If they decide to move on, then rip off the band aid then. This option drags Eli and the fans through the mud.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
I am beginning to think this whole thing is a ruse .... The Raiders will prep for Geno and he shows up Sunday with a cast on his throwing arm after suffering a "slip slide" in the bathroom ... Eli starts and leads the Giants to a win (and preserves his streak). That has to be the only logical explanation ....?
The Richter scale went off today when the collective jaws of the NFL hit the floor with this announcement ... I am beyond shocked. I am sick to my stomach .... and there is STILL A MONTH LEFT. WHAT NEXT?!
This is beyond unreal ... it is surreal.
I would have loved to have seen a completely empty stadium because of fan protest.
Yes, Eli streak matters to me, because it matters to him. He has been all class during his years here with some shitty teams and teammate throwing him under the bus. The season is over, why fuck one more thing up.
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I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
Again, if Benny boy and pos Reese are not let go after this debacle I am DONE with this team.
Per Eli sounds exactly like what they did.
But, Geno makes no sense. He is not in the current, immediate future, or future plans. He doesn't give them a better chance to win. If, as some suggested, that's the point, then this franchise is morally bankrupt.
I firmly believe Eli is not done. I hope they now give him the dignity of cutting him or trading him (by now I obviously mean after the season). I truly think he will lead a good team deep into the playoffs.
If this move truly has the backing of Reese and ownership, I only hope it doesn't mean that McAdoo and Reese are not getting a pass for another year. That would also prove the franchise is rudderless and clueless.
I wish, in this one instance, Eli would not take the high road and the same goes for the rest of the team. I am actually so disgusted I am torn whether to actually not root for the Giants for the first time this weekend. I can't bring myself to, but I can promise that next year I will be rooting for whatever team Eli ends up on and hope he has a big season. Fuck Mara. Fuck Reese. Fuck McAdoo.
Geno Fucking Smith?!
Geno has no future on this roster, or any NFL roster.
Kind of stupid isn't it, but then again its par for the McAdoo course.
This is the worst season I have ever witnessed and MacGrease ball has taken the top spot from Ray Handley .
I pray to God they can this smug ass POS !
The Giants have hit rock bottom hell Cleveland could whip our asses 4 out of 5 games .
So great we get the staggering Cowboys at home I hope they
boo every friggen play good bad or ugly much of what will be
ugly . Mara Really you allowed this spam eating slug shit on Eli with nothing at stake . I am fucking stunned I could see if Webb was ready let him play the 2nd half and
the thing about the streak pisses me off as well this change does absolutely nothing for this team FAIL
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
This is how I figure it too. Except I don't think Geno's performance will impact how fast Webb gets in. I think he gets in as fast as coaches think he can without getting killed.
I hope this isn't true, and I seriously doubt it too. Who in their right mind would want to see Geno playing over Eli.
Wherever Eli plays next year, I’m rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
Fk U McAdoo!
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Good post Matt.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.