It took today to bring me out of lurking. The fact that the Giants are allowing a lame duck HC and GM to torch the relationship with the franchise QB is pretty mind numbing. And it makes me worried that McAdoo will be back next year with his choice at QB. McAdoo never seemed to be an Eli “guy”, from changing his footwork to low key complaining about his lack of mobility to singling him out in the media more than anybody else on the roster.
Wherever Eli plays next year, I’m rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
I'm still in shock. I won't be watching the rest of the year and longer if McAdoo remains. This is his call, but shows pretty clearly he doesn't understand the NYG franchise/culture. I've been opposed to firing him before the season ends...until now. I say fire him immediately, make Sullivan interim head coach with the understanding that Eli is the starter. End of the season he likely gets fired along with most all of the coaches and Reese.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
For those that still thought McAdoo might be a good coach..... Â
The joke is on you. McAdoo is a terrible coach and an idiot with no guts, no honesty or honor, and not a team player but simply out for himself. As a life long Giants fan it will be my pleasure from here on in until both Reese and McAdoo are fired to enjoy watching this team lose! In fact, I will celebrate every NY Giants loss!
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
but this certainly makes more sense (moving to Webb).
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Why does anyone need a look at Geno? I had no problem with signing him to be the backup. But, we all know the player he has been in this league. There's nothing to see there. If they are actually considering him part of their future even as a possibility, they need to be examined.
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.
Wherever Eli plays next year, I’m rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
Fk U McAdoo!
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Good post Matt.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.