Theres no way in hell Id have done this out of respect for Eli and what hes done for this franchise... even though I think its the right move. I know Ill get slammed for saying that... and I can take it... and not that I think this will happen... but what if Geno lights it up over the next several weeks?
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
You may be right...Eli has not been Eli for two seasons now.
This smells of McAdoo.... I want Eli to go out with the same class he has always exhibited. I support the Giants because of Eli Manning and all he stands for... What a shit show.
I truly hope the Giants fans go to the parking lot and burn their tickets before entering the stadium to show Mara exactly how much of a fuckup this season has become.
If ownership stands behind Mac or gave the directive to start Geno then they have such little self-awareness it isn't even funny.
This might be one of the worst decisions ever made by the organization. Just an absolute slap in the face to everyone involved.
Have their scapegoat! here comes the RUN....If those Two incompetent pieces of Shit do not get canned after the season this Organization can kiss my ass.
The reason Geno gets the nod, is cause Webb has been inactive all season, and hasn't had the practice nor the reps.
Webb should now get reps this week the earliest or the following week the latest. I also expect him to be active December 10th against the Dallas Cowboys.
They just can't activate Webb (with zero practice) and throw him into the wolves and expect him to be ready for the speed of an NFL game. We should see Webb getting more playing time as the season comes to a close,
a favor to the next HC. That guy would probably not want to rebuild with a 37 year old QB but it would have been messy to start off in NY benching beloved 2-time SB MVP Eli. Now the new coach can go with Darnold/Rosen/whoever day one and there won't be any fan fallout to deal with.
Is it true that Eli was given the option to start and declined?
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
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Manning has started 210 consecutive regular season games for the Giants.He was given the option of starting in order to continue the streak.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He was given the OPTION ...to me...means 'We want to see what we got in Geno and maybe even Webb before we possibly draft QB ".
Which in turn begins the process of a goodbye to Eli within the next 2.333 seasons as gently as possible.
Eli knew the day was coming ...the reality has now smacked us all.
Still sucks though.
Do I say "F Y JR " now...or should I wait for the day Eli is no longer a Giant?
Eh! I'll do it now. JR will soon be a GM somewhere else anyway. My preferance is a McDonalds.
Fuck You JR! Ross too! Maras..get in line for the F Y's.
Tuck you
RE: RE: I would encourage any season ticket holders
to not go the rest of the season. I know I won't... Let Management see that stadium full of opponents fans.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
I get that, but the concessions aren't, and the empty stadium is embarrassing for ownership. I still planned on going down mainly to see Eli. Not anymore.
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
and then get relieved by Geno and Webb to see what they have. Eli turned down the option because he wanted to be able to finish the whole game with a win. He thought it would be pointless and so he wants to help Geno and Webb prepare.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
They want to see what they have in Geno and Davis. They give Eli the option to start to preserve streak. Eli says no thanks - don't need the facade of a streak.
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
This team/ownership is an embarrassment.
They fucked over TC. If they really respected him but felt he wasn't getting he job done fire him. No. They pushed Gilbride out. Then Fewell. Finally TC to bring in their new big man crush.
That they love this loser shows how inept they are.
And IMO Chris and John Mara threw the coaching staff under the bis since Chris Mara and his pal Reese are knee deep into this team sucking for 5 of the last 6 years. Couldn't be that Chris Mara is a nepotism hire and Reese along w him hate any blame.
Yeah classy organization. Until it's time to take any blame themselves for their shitty management. John Mara is a joke. He cares. Yeah he will
Still wake up richer than God and Immune to being a total incompetent. 45 years of rooting for this team ends today.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
How does our genius coach evaluate his roster????
LOL...this guy...........
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
You may be right...Eli has not been Eli for two seasons now.
It's not the end of the streak that bothers me. I m just not ready to see Eli's Giant career end, especially like this.
I was hoping for a young quarterback to play behind Eli. That still might happen.
Francesca just said, both quarterbacks will play.
What the hell?
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Really? The same way when Phil Simms was cut? Or those other players mentioned above?
Wellington defaulted to Young in those cases.
I suspect his son did the same, for right or wrong.
Reese isnt even allowed to pick the coach. lol
I just cant believe Eli has been benched. Amazing.
Eli needs to go to JAX
If ownership stands behind Mac or gave the directive to start Geno then they have such little self-awareness it isn't even funny.
This might be one of the worst decisions ever made by the organization. Just an absolute slap in the face to everyone involved.
Eli was given the option to start and said no.
Whats the problem?
Were 2-9, theres no point in Eli playing full games anymore.
I am still hoping for a total blow up and rebuild after this shitshow season.
Webb should now get reps this week the earliest or the following week the latest. I also expect him to be active December 10th against the Dallas Cowboys.
They just can't activate Webb (with zero practice) and throw him into the wolves and expect him to be ready for the speed of an NFL game. We should see Webb getting more playing time as the season comes to a close,
Which I wouldnt have.
Francesca saying otherwise is fucking comical.
It's amazing how much one bad hire, in the wrong spot, can hurt.
All that aside, Im not sure Ive ever hated a team I root for more than the 2017 NY Giants. And Im a Knicks fan, so thats saying something
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
And you believe in Santa Clause. Please say you do!
Absolutely agree.
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Eli Manning youre always gonna be my QB. 2X Super Bowl MVP you cant make that shit up bro.
Which in turn begins the process of a goodbye to Eli within the next 2.333 seasons as gently as possible.
Eli knew the day was coming ...the reality has now smacked us all.
Still sucks though.
Do I say "F Y JR " now...or should I wait for the day Eli is no longer a Giant?
Eh! I'll do it now. JR will soon be a GM somewhere else anyway. My preferance is a McDonalds.
Fuck You JR! Ross too! Maras..get in line for the F Y's.
Tuck you
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to not go the rest of the season. I know I won't... Let Management see that stadium full of opponents fans.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
I get that, but the concessions aren't, and the empty stadium is embarrassing for ownership. I still planned on going down mainly to see Eli. Not anymore.
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
Can't wait until heads roll at the end of the season. Bring on Rosen/Darnold/Jackson/Allen/Mayfield - the future is now.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
I am still hoping for a total blow up and rebuild after this shitshow season.
Or maybe the plan was to ease Webb in and when Eli declined to only play first halves they had no choice but to go to Geno for first halves.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
This team/ownership is an embarrassment.
They fucked over TC. If they really respected him but felt he wasn't getting he job done fire him. No. They pushed Gilbride out. Then Fewell. Finally TC to bring in their new big man crush.
That they love this loser shows how inept they are.
And IMO Chris and John Mara threw the coaching staff under the bis since Chris Mara and his pal Reese are knee deep into this team sucking for 5 of the last 6 years. Couldn't be that Chris Mara is a nepotism hire and Reese along w him hate any blame.
Yeah classy organization. Until it's time to take any blame themselves for their shitty management. John Mara is a joke. He cares. Yeah he will
Still wake up richer than God and Immune to being a total incompetent. 45 years of rooting for this team ends today.
Being part of a fraternity has its advantages.
BM will get killed for this move by everyone.......man....they guy is just putting the finishing touches on his grave.
Look at the tape...
GET RID OF FUCKING RONNIE MILSAP ALREADY
Isn't Rivers somewhat close? Around 180 or so?
They should have McAdoo sit the game out as well. It could only be an improvement. He's more responsible for this shit show than Eli is....