With this week's activity, it seems highly unlikely Eli is back. In my opinion, that makes next year another throw away season. If they end up drafting a QB and go with him, there are the expected rookie lumps, especially with an entire offense being remodeled. If they go with Webb, it's essentially the same scenario. Without Eli to bridge the gap, who the Hell is the QB? Does this week and perhaps beyond end up being an audition for Geno, as much as Webb? Are we looking at possibly Geno Smith, or someone of his ilk, QBing the Giants for 1 season?
The prospects for next year took a bad turn this week.
Francesa said he is a perfect NYG fit.
I'm not sure if Eli wants to do that though. We'll see.
Rosen goes #1, and Darnold stays in school. The Giants don't want Mayfield, Jackson, or Allen with a top five pick. They trade down, get a boatload of draft picks, rebuild the OL, and finally get a coverage LB.
Rosen goes #1, and Darnold stays in school. The Giants don't want Mayfield, Jackson, or Allen with a top five pick. They trade down, get a boatload of draft picks, rebuild the OL, and finally get a coverage LB.
I can't see them trading down. There's too much superstar talent in the top 5. I can see them keeping Webb if he shines (although not likely, given 4 games, but who knows?). They could go with Barkley? If they release Eli, combined with what they have available next year cap-wise, they could shore up the OL via free agency.
To me, the roster bonus actually opens up some possibilities.
If the Giants want to maximize return / make a trade palatable to another team (say, Jax), the Giants could pay the roster bonus and then trade Eli (assuming he is amenable).
To Jax, his contract would essentially be a 1 year deal @ $11M with a team option for a second year at $17M. That’s pretty damn good cap economics for a competent starting QB with lots of playoff and SB experience, even if he’s on the later part of the back-9 of his career.
That said - my money is on Eli - and that would be a very small wager.
I'm not sure if Eli wants to do that though. We'll see.
Or we can afford this.
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I can't explain why.
Francesa said he is a perfect NYG fit.
I have a feeling they are a great match but I won't get my hopes up until Darnold declares. Rosen also seems like a great fit. It says a lot that Jerry went to watch the USC/UCLA game.
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In comment 13714351 NorwoodWideRight said:
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I can't explain why.
Francesa said he is a perfect NYG fit.
I have a feeling they are a great match but I won't get my hopes up until Darnold declares. Rosen also seems like a great fit. It says a lot that Jerry went to watch the USC/UCLA game.
He was told to by John Mara. They're also hoping to find the next Jerrel Jernigan :-)
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I don't understand this idea that you have to play a veteran QB while the young guys sit and learn. That is just not the case anymore.
You don't have to. But, my point is, if a rookie is starting, it could be Webb as a backup. There's no experience there and with a likely new HC, new OL, etc. the entire offense will be i flux, so not a lot of experience elsewhere on the roster to lean on. Next year doesn't sound all that promising without Eli.
Good point, but I highly doubt Eli will ever want to return to the Giants after this embarrassment. Maybe after firing Reese and McAdoo Mara can smooth things over, but I doubt it. Graziano has already reported that Eli sees other teams as a destination for him to start next year.
Also, the Giants are likely going to suck next year either way. So you start Webb and let the top 5 pick back up for some games or you start the rookie from day one and let him go through his rookie struggles. If you want to sign another journeyman veteran as insurance like a McCown, fine.
I think the Giants should put a ton of resources into the o-line. I am talking multiple free agents, even at big money, and 1 or 2 draft picks from rounds 2-4 after the 1st round QB. With Beckham, Shephard, and Engram, that is a good stable of weapons for a young QB. They will also have to replace Marshall and get a decent running back in FA or the draft.
They won't be able to upgrade the D much this offseason, but there is already a ton of money tied up in that side of the ball. In 2019, the cap is completely opened up with all of Eli's dead money and future salary off the roster.
I'm not sure if Eli wants to do that though. We'll see.
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I don't understand this idea that you have to play a veteran QB while the young guys sit and learn. That is just not the case anymore.
You don't have to. But, my point is, if a rookie is starting, it could be Webb as a backup. There's no experience there and with a likely new HC, new OL, etc. the entire offense will be i flux, so not a lot of experience elsewhere on the roster to lean on. Next year doesn't sound all that promising without Eli.
Good point, but I highly doubt Eli will ever want to return to the Giants after this embarrassment. Maybe after firing Reese and McAdoo Mara can smooth things over, but I doubt it. Graziano has already reported that Eli sees other teams as a destination for him to start next year.
Also, the Giants are likely going to suck next year either way. So you start Webb and let the top 5 pick back up for some games or you start the rookie from day one and let him go through his rookie struggles. If you want to sign another journeyman veteran as insurance like a McCown, fine.
I think the Giants should put a ton of resources into the o-line. I am talking multiple free agents, even at big money, and 1 or 2 draft picks from rounds 2-4 after the 1st round QB. With Beckham, Shephard, and Engram, that is a good stable of weapons for a young QB. They will also have to replace Marshall and get a decent running back in FA or the draft.
They won't be able to upgrade the D much this offseason, but there is already a ton of money tied up in that side of the ball. In 2019, the cap is completely opened up with all of Eli's dead money and future salary off the roster.
This doesn't mean Eli will definitely be back, only that bridges have not been burned beyond repair. It all depends on how the dominoes fall come January.
Once in place, then I'd start the rookie and brace for the ups and downs. It's the new model, and the best model in my judgment.
Of course, a new voice under the HC headset would help too...
Once in place, then I'd start the rookie and brace for the ups and downs. It's the new model, and the best model in my judgment.
Of course, a new voice under the HC headset would help too...
If there was a regime change, there might be a chance if the new regime was to go QB in round one (why not); then there would be an outside chance of Eli in a caretakers role ala Warner.
Emotion aside, McAdoo rode into the HC job on the back of Eli, but i feel in no way did he want Eli as his QB, and I truly feel Reese was never in Eli's corner. Eli is not your QB if the staff wants to run a GB style of the WCO, he has two left feet. Eli is a straight drop back QB who can still throw it, but he needs time, and McAdoo's offense doesn't call for an immobile QB.
I love Eli for what he's done, for the way he showed up week in and week out, especially the past few years with absolutely no Offensive Line to afford him protection, he was the only offensive player who showed up to play in Green Bay last year. I know his time is pretty much done, but he should've been afforded more respect from the coach.
If they wanted to see what Webb has, they should've given him more reps in practice throughout the season, and dressed him, it makes no sense to transition to Geno with him being a F/A at the end of the season.
Sorry I'm rambling and off topic, it all depends on whether there is a complete change top to bottom or status as usual
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
I also agree about Webb. But, this is why I say Geno may not be out of their plans now. If they are deadset on a QB at the top of the draft, which seems likely,what purpose does Webb serve? They need a veteran, even if only to backup.
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
Why no to Rosen? Just curious
I'm really intrigued by Webb - he was really unlucky in college - injuries, Mahomes stealing his job, etc. Guys like that might flourish later when given a shot.
I prefer QB's sitting a bit, even if it's only half a season.
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I like Jackson better, but I'm fine with Darnold. Just no Rosen, please.
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
Why no to Rosen? Just curious
I don't think what I see on the field is enough to overlook the possibility that he is a clown.
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I like Jackson better, but I'm fine with Darnold. Just no Rosen, please.
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
Why no to Rosen? Just curious
I don't think what I see on the field is enough to overlook the possibility that he is a clown.
Rosen is also very thin, already has had injury concerns and feels to be dependent on an above avg o-line.
The Colts didn't trade Peyton, and the Giants won't trade Eli.
So the fans do too I take it?? Get the hell over it.
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I like Jackson better, but I'm fine with Darnold. Just no Rosen, please.
I don't see a path to success for Webb if we spend a big draft resource(s) to get Darnold.
If Jackson were taller, I think he would be the pick. I still may prefer Jackson, but I don't think they will take him. I agree with Darnold over Rosen.
Uh - Jackson is 6'3". Is that suddenly short?
I don't think so. He's made a lot of chicken salad down in Louisville. Hell, Watson is 6'2" and he was loaded with weapons at Clemson. Granted, Watson was more of a passer at this stage...
But Jackson is a great open field runner and has really improved his throwing this year. I don't say this for any effect - he could very easily be a top ten pick, or even higher. His skill set ceiling is very high...