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Victor in CT : 11/30/2017 11:42 am
basically blaming the whole fiasco on McAdoo, they he completely botched the relating of what Mara agreed to, which was possibly pulling Eli out of games that were out of hand either way to play the other QBs. McAdumb alone made it a "start the game, then sit the 2nd half" proposition.
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RE: Credit where due  
Emil : 11/30/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13714822 mfsd said:
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This is what Slade posted yesterday. I’ve been quick to knock him when he’s been wrong, and who knows what’s really gone on behind the scenes, but could be some truth to this


Ehh, no offense to Slade, but many of us came to this conclusion on our own after Mara's statements. Giants ownership is clearly angry about this season and how many situations have been handled. Also, Art Stapleton said the same thing late yesterday. Mara really gave McAdoo both barrels when he mentioned that communication and empathy were not McAdoo's strong suit and that there were no guarantees when it came to the coach keeping his job for the next month.

Now if McAdoo gets fired before the end of the season, I'll give Slade all the credit he is due.
RE: I like Dottino and all,  
baadbill : 11/30/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13714592 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.


It's just silly to think the Giants have already thought about what they will do with their pick. They don't even know where they will be picking - nor do they know what QBs will be in the draft. Nor do they know what they could get for trading down. It's just a ludicrous idea that any such conversation has taken place. Beyond nuts.
Dottino  
joeinpa : 11/30/2017 2:51 pm : link
Actually crticized someone affiliated with the Giants!

Yikes They messed this Eli thing up so badly poor Paul didn't know what to do.
RE: Agreed, I just wrote this exact thing on a different thread  
batman11 : 11/30/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13714413 PatersonPlank said:
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I think Mara gave his support for a plan that allowed the Giants to look at Webb before the end of the season, so they know what to do in the draft. He said ok and expected Mac to handle this in the right way. He didn't expect Eli not to start and didn't expect this to blow up like it did. He just thought a negotiation of playing time would happen and go quietly under the radar. Hence he wasn't even in the office. In Macs usual manner, he suckily handled this. Instead of taking a timeout and re-conferring with Mara, he just blew through it and ended up with 1) Eli on the bench and Geno starting, 2) a public announcement, and 3) a media firestorm.

Mara is now sitting around going what the hell just happened. I think he's really pissed at McAdoo for the way this was handled.


Agreed, and because if this, and that he is a fucking moron, I would fire McAdoo now.
RE: RE: I like Dottino and all,  
crick n NC : 11/30/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13714610 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.



Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.


Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.
I find it somewhat comical  
RollBlue : 11/30/2017 3:30 pm : link
those pilling on Reese, who has been with the organization for a long time, and instrumental in the teams that won TWO Super Bowls. Sure he's made mistakes - show me a GM that hasn't.
That said a change may be necessary, but saying the guy is some clown isn't recognizing the full body of work. Most people thought the roster was pretty good heading into the season.
TC was a great coach who also made some bad decisions - is he a buffoon too - can't get the challenge flag out of his sock, etc???
RE: I find it somewhat comical  
rocco8112 : 11/30/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13715026 RollBlue said:
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those pilling on Reese, who has been with the organization for a long time, and instrumental in the teams that won TWO Super Bowls. Sure he's made mistakes - show me a GM that hasn't.
That said a change may be necessary, but saying the guy is some clown isn't recognizing the full body of work. Most people thought the roster was pretty good heading into the season.
TC was a great coach who also made some bad decisions - is he a buffoon too - can't get the challenge flag out of his sock, etc???


Reese holds the most blame for all of this. Still no answer at o line. Still no answer at RB. Still no answer at LB. Specials are garbage which means shit depth.

Teflon Reese is the main reason all of this has happened and I think he will be back next year to boot.
RE: RE: I like Dottino and all,  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/30/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13714948 baadbill said:
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In comment 13714592 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.



It's just silly to think the Giants have already thought about what they will do with their pick. They don't even know where they will be picking - nor do they know what QBs will be in the draft. Nor do they know what they could get for trading down. It's just a ludicrous idea that any such conversation has taken place. Beyond nuts.

It almost certainly hasn't. But Dottino has egg on his face and is trying to pick a new bet to double down on.
RE: RE: RE: I like Dottino and all,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13715024 crick n NC said:
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In comment 13714610 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13714592 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.



Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.



Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.


I think ten years of drafts is enough of a sample to form an opinion.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Dottino and all,  
Victor in CT : 12/1/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13715531 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13714610 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13714592 Dave in Hoboken said:


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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.



Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.



Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.



I think ten years of drafts is enough of a sample to form an opinion.


He only trades UP for QBs who can't play, never down.
Fire McAdoo  
Dodge : 12/1/2017 10:39 am : link
On Sunday night. Leave him out west.
Mara,  
fkap : 12/1/2017 1:17 pm : link
who is very involved in every aspect of this team, took a hands off/vague instructions approach to one of the biggest decision (and PR handling) processes of the decade?

yeah, right.

McAdoo may have bungled, but Mara knew darn well there was going to be a backlash no matter what and set it up so Mac would take the fall.

Mara is not innocent, in this, or in the state of the Giants overall.
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