There was another article by the Wash post saying overrated Eli, but giants handled it wrong.
So what things on Eli resume would help him to get into the HOF. 2 SB wins and MVPs help. Now these articles and sports talk will talk about this probably more now.
What things would you cite as a reason for him to be a HOFer?
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Is Johnny Unitas a Hall of Famer? YES!
Is Jim Kelly a Hall of Famer? No.
By that standard I would say Eli is not. If we consider the Hall of Fame the highest possible individual honor that a player can receive, I would think it should only be bestowed upon those players so rare that they and their peers belong in a very small room. There's a room of quarterbacks (Montana, Unitas, Graham, Brady, and maybe a couple more) that is ultra-exclusive and does not include Eli.
But the Hall of Fame doesn't operate that way. It's been reduced to a conversation of "If so and so is in, such and such should also be in."
So by that standard, if guys like Jim Kelly, Aeneas Williams, and Cris Carter are in, Eli Manning is for damn sure a Hall of Famer.
Is Johnny Unitas a Hall of Famer? YES!
Is Jim Kelly a Hall of Famer? No.
By that standard I would say Eli is not. If we consider the Hall of Fame the highest possible individual honor that a player can receive, I would think it should only be bestowed upon those players so rare that they and their peers belong in a very small room. There's a room of quarterbacks (Montana, Unitas, Graham, Brady, and maybe a couple more) that is ultra-exclusive and does not include Eli.
But the Hall of Fame doesn't operate that way. It's been reduced to a conversation of "If so and so is in, such and such should also be in."
So by that standard, if guys like Jim Kelly, Aeneas Williams, and Cris Carter are in, Eli Manning is for damn sure a Hall of Famer.
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Eli should be in.
Is Johnny Unitas a Hall of Famer? YES!
Is Jim Kelly a Hall of Famer? No.
By that standard I would say Eli is not. If we consider the Hall of Fame the highest possible individual honor that a player can receive, I would think it should only be bestowed upon those players so rare that they and their peers belong in a very small room. There's a room of quarterbacks (Montana, Unitas, Graham, Brady, and maybe a couple more) that is ultra-exclusive and does not include Eli.
But the Hall of Fame doesn't operate that way. It's been reduced to a conversation of "If so and so is in, such and such should also be in."
So by that standard, if guys like Jim Kelly, Aeneas Williams, and Cris Carter are in, Eli Manning is for damn sure a Hall of Famer.
Yeah but when you ask yourself that, you're thinking of 1st ballot HOFer. The basic question at it's root is can ELi get into the HOF with his resume? Is he able, maybe being years and years down the road, get into the HOF?
Personally I think that's worth more than several seasons of high quarterback ratings, TD/INT ratios, etc.
But to add to my post from before, I don't like the concept of first ballot vs. something else. If being a first ballot HOFer means more than being a HOFer, then I think there should be an honor higher than the HOF reserved for the first ballot guys.
So consider the MVPs in 2013 and 2015: Peyton Manning and Cam Newton. Both those guys got to the Super Bowl as MVPs and proceeded to completely shit the bed. In Newton's case, he quit on the game in what may be the worst display I've ever seen from a professional athlete on a big stage.
Should those MVP seasons even count for those players when considering them for the Hall of Fame? If so, should it count for more than making the historic title winning play like Eli did...twice?
Eli didn't win any MVPs, but I believe he did something greater and more important on two separate occasions, and that should weigh heavily in his favor.
But to add to my post from before, I don't like the concept of first ballot vs. something else. If being a first ballot HOFer means more than being a HOFer, then I think there should be an honor higher than the HOF reserved for the first ballot guys.
Yes, I agree, but I think it is that. First ballot are the ones you say YES right away! Next, wait 5, 10, 15, or 20 years later, and they look at the resume and say you know what? This guy can get it and we accept him as a HOFer. There were others that got in before him. Brady, AR, Brees and then after that, let's look at Eli again.
That’s my standard.
IMO- You cant tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning.
He defeated the the 18-0 dynasty and greatest QB and HC of all-time in the greatest Super Bowl of all time and did it with the greatest play in NFL history and he did it not once but twice.
Not only that but until that moment it was Brady who was the clutch comeback QB and Eli upstaged himat his own game and he did it twice.
You cannot tell the story of the NFL without that. Let alone the two epic runs that preceded those two games.
Only 5 players have won 2 SB MVPs and Eli is one of them. Only 1 player in SB history has needed a TD to win the game in the final drive and got it. That’s Eli. (Meaning they couldnt rely on getting a FG to win or tie)
For this alone Eli is a Hall of Famer.
Beyond that- Eli has the iron man streak on his record. he is the QB of one of the NFLs flagship franchises for 12 years. He is 7th all-time in passing yards with over 50000 yds and passing TDs and over 300 TDs. None of these things are small feats. This is not Jim Plunkett here.
Eli is a Hall of Famer.
I think you nailed it. Personally, I don't think he's in. But he has the football royalty factor - a Manning. The media love the first family of football.
Thus, that will eventually be the catalyst that gets him in.
2 of that list are in the HOF, Peyton & Brady are shoo-ins....Eli will get in as well.
2 of that list are in the HOF, Peyton & Brady are shoo-ins....Eli will get in as well.
The great Favre only won one Super Bowl. He lost another
Yes, but most of that particular subset of QBs are unquestionably considered above Eli Manning - Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Tom Brady.
That leaves two others besides Plunkett, Roethlisberger who is Eli's contemporary, and Bob Griese.
When you play 210 games, and average 25 TD's, 17 int's, 3830 yds, and have a 59.8 completion %, you accumulate stats and get into the top 10 in lot of lifetime stats....
His best season was 2011, 29 tds, 16 ints, 61 %, 4933 yards......to the casual eye, it looks kind of average outside of the yardage......but those stats do not show the the fourth quarter comebacks, what he had for an OL, his lack of a running game and the fact that his defense gave up 400 points, that year....
In 14 seasons, he only had two seasons where he won a playoff game....
So non Giant fans will look at those stats, and say, he just played a long time to accumulate those lifetime stats.....
What stats don't show is his leadership in those two SB years.....what stats don't show, is the lack of support Eli got from the front office, his last 6 years...
I think he will get in, but it's not going to happen the first, second or third years he is eligible.....it may take awhile....
2 of that list are in the HOF, Peyton & Brady are shoo-ins....Eli will get in as well.
Eli has had easily the least impressive career of that group, though. Favre has one fewer ring but was a 3 time MVP, 11 Pro Bowls, etc.
I've said it before - Eli has had a very unusual career. Hard to find a good comp for him.
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Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, John Elway, & Eli Manning.
2 of that list are in the HOF, Peyton & Brady are shoo-ins....Eli will get in as well.
The great Favre only won one Super Bowl. He lost another
Favre was 10X the regular season QB that Eli was/is. He was a 3X MVP. He was a 3X All-Pro. And he was always in the playoffs - 12X. Favre could have no SB wins and would get in on the first ballot...
Yeah that is where I am at also with regards to this.
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I've said it before - Eli has had a very unusual career. Hard to find a good comp for him.
I was thinking Griese or Plunkett. But they played in such a different era where receivers got mugged and QBs were treated like test drive dummies. And neither went numb like Eli in the playoffs.
So I think your are right. He's actually got no comps.
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I've said it before - Eli has had a very unusual career. Hard to find a good comp for him.
I was thinking Griese or Plunkett. But they played in such a different era where receivers got mugged and QBs were treated like test drive dummies. And neither went numb like Eli in the playoffs.
So I think your are right. He's actually got no comps.
How do you go 8-0 on the road and win 2 SBs (No one else has ever done that) and claim he went "Numb in the playoffs"?
Speaking of Favre, that makes me think of his ex-teammate Sterling Sharpe. It is a crime he isn't in the HoF. His numbers for his seven years are nothing short of remarkable.
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In comment 13715502 Tom in NY said:
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I've said it before - Eli has had a very unusual career. Hard to find a good comp for him.
I was thinking Griese or Plunkett. But they played in such a different era where receivers got mugged and QBs were treated like test drive dummies. And neither went numb like Eli in the playoffs.
So I think your are right. He's actually got no comps.
How do you go 8-0 on the road and win 2 SBs (No one else has ever done that) and claim he went "Numb in the playoffs"?
I mean numb is a good way...
A fantastic ambassador of the game.
Add them to his super bowl credentials, his streak, and I'd say that's a pretty strong case.
My prediction: what we're witnessing happening right now is going to stick in the collective craw of Giants fans until the day Eli gets his gold jacket. I always just assumed his exit from the team would be bittersweet, and I never thought it would just be bitter. We all want that storybook ending where he rides off into the sunset wearing his Giants jersey, but now....who the hell knows.
If the football gods have a shred of decency and benevolence, they'll grant us one last joy of seeing him get his place in the HOF. Eli has EARNED it.
His career stats will be there, despite never being the best QB of his era. But 2 game winning Super Bowl drives against the Belichick Pats will stand the test of time.
Is Johnny Unitas a Hall of Famer? YES!
Is Jim Kelly a Hall of Famer? No.
By that standard I would say Eli is not. If we consider the Hall of Fame the highest possible individual honor that a player can receive, I would think it should only be bestowed upon those players so rare that they and their peers belong in a very small room. There's a room of quarterbacks (Montana, Unitas, Graham, Brady, and maybe a couple more) that is ultra-exclusive and does not include Eli.
But the Hall of Fame doesn't operate that way. It's been reduced to a conversation of "If so and so is in, such and such should also be in."
So by that standard, if guys like Jim Kelly, Aeneas Williams, and Cris Carter are in, Eli Manning is for damn sure a Hall of Famer.
Perfectly written.
Which is fine by me.
He shouldn't be a first ballot type of player.........
Maybe, to that extent, this whole mess helps Eli's case. The media has been very sympathetic to him, maybe they will look at him in a new light.
And while I've grown tired of hearing about the damn streak, Eli's longevity absolutely should play a factor in his HOF chances. Dependability matters, and the guy ALWAYS answered the bell.
That's pretty weak.
I don't think you last QBing the NYG for 14 years being mediocre.
The SBs, big plays, playing streak, and accumulation of stats makes him a HOF one day.
When you consider some of the guys already in the HOF like Namath and the inexplicable Bob Waterfield, it definitely tips the scales in Eli's favor.
212 Td's to 210 INT's, never over 55% completion, and that is with one of the best OL's and WR corps in history. I get that he's in a different era, but he had 12 fewer picks than Eli with 3,500 fewer pass attempts.
Still, yeah, you're right, overall Bradshaw might well be as close a comp for Eli as you'll find.
First off, he's a Manning, and I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. Archie, then Peyton, then Eli. That's likely never to happen again. Not to mention, Peyton and Eli, back to back Superbowl MVP's. That also will likely never happen again.
Secondly, I mean, he might have a case based on 18-0 alone. That's a major, major event in Superbowl history, right up there with Superbowl III. Major underdogs against an unbeaten team. Add in the Tyree play? That's the stuff legends are made of. They'll still be replaying that in 50 years right alongside clips of the immaculate reception.
And never missing a start in his career is significant.
Considering that really is the only reason Nameth in there