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December 2003 - Fassel fired “himself”

Sean : 11/30/2017 9:29 pm
If I recall he did it prior to week 16 after they were 4-10. I don’t recall the public reception of the move. Looking back it feels like Fassel did it knowing he would be fired anyway & wanted to start thinking about his next gig. Just an odd situation that was.
IIRC  
TommytheElephant : 11/30/2017 9:30 pm : link
Fassel approached Wellington to find out his status and was told they would let him go at the end of the year.

He pretty much said his goodbyes before the unceremonious loss to the Panthers in week 17.


And then came Eli
Let's hire him back  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/30/2017 9:36 pm : link
Interim OC.
Say what you will about Fassel..  
jnoble : 11/30/2017 9:37 pm : link
..but at least he wasn't Macadouche
Also  
jnoble : 11/30/2017 9:38 pm : link
..he adjusted his offenses to get the best out what he was given at QB with Brown & Kannell and resurrected Kerry's career
For all of Fassel’s flaws  
TommytheElephant : 11/30/2017 9:51 pm : link
He owned the fucking Eagles
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arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 9:53 pm : link
Sucks he cost himself any future in the NFL because of the party boat. Would have been cool to see him get another gig somewhere.
RE: For all of Fassel’s flaws  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13715560 TommytheElephant said:
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He owned the fucking Eagles


The Eagles were terrible.
Let me remember it fondly  
TommytheElephant : 11/30/2017 9:58 pm : link
(:
The battles we had around here about Fassel...  
bw in dc : 11/30/2017 10:01 pm : link
were incredible.

I kinda liked Fassel  
Rjanyg : 11/30/2017 10:41 pm : link
I really liked him as OC back in 1992. Hampton and Bunch were fun to watch and I thought he called a decent game.

He loved Tiki and it took Tiki a while before he became a feature back.
RE: RE: For all of Fassel’s flaws  
arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13715567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He owned the fucking Eagles



The Eagles were terrible.


They weren't terrible at all in 2000-2003.

That said, we split with them between 2000 and 2002, winning 3 a piece. 2003 may as well not even count, it was a completely lost year.
After going all-in  
Pete in MD : 11/30/2017 10:52 pm : link
once and having it work out for him, Fassel overplayed his hand a few times after that and it led to his downfall.
Fassel will always be an interesting case study for us  
mfsd : 11/30/2017 10:52 pm : link
as Giants fans. At times did a great job getting players and the team to overachieve...other times they played such stupid football you wanted to strangle the guy.
RE: RE: RE: For all of Fassel’s flaws  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2017 10:53 pm : link
In comment 13715624 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13715560 TommytheElephant said:


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He owned the fucking Eagles



The Eagles were terrible.



They weren't terrible at all in 2000-2003.

That said, we split with them between 2000 and 2002, winning 3 a piece. 2003 may as well not even count, it was a completely lost year.


Yeah, after hiring Andy Reid for sure. Before that Fassel got the 6-9-1, 5-11, 3-13 version of the eagles. And by 2001 the Giants were a loaded team headed for a super bowl.

Then the dark times started. So the record is a bit padded.

RE: Fassel will always be an interesting case study for us  
arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13715628 mfsd said:
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as Giants fans. At times did a great job getting players and the team to overachieve...other times they played such stupid football you wanted to strangle the guy.


That was kind of the staple of his tenure here.

We'd beat teams like the undefeated Denver Broncos in '98 and then we'd lose to guys like Kurt Kittner.

One of the things I remember the most about the Fassel era was that I always had this tremendous sense of confidence when we were about to play a really good team and would be worried sick whenever we'd play a bad one.

It was such a strange dynamic - I mean, you still see that around the league here and there, it'll always be something that happens - but those Fassel teams seemed to play up or town to their competition much more than any other set of Giants teams I've watched.
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arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 11:02 pm : link
The other thing about the Eagles is that they always had such weak sets of WR's before Owens got there.

Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell... those guys all sucked. They were all #3 and #4 WR's.

I always used to think Pinkston's legs were going to snap. I don't think I've ever seen a football player with legs as toothpicky as his were and haven't seen any since.
They were junk players, but McNabb and Westbrook were good enough  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2017 11:12 pm : link
That it never mattered until the playoffs.
Fassel wasnt bad  
twostepgiants : 11/30/2017 11:15 pm : link
7 seasons. 3 playoff appeearances. Winning record at 5 games over .500

He won 2 division titles, 1 NFC title and made a Super Bowl.

We’ve certainly had worse coaches and worse stretches.
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arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 11:16 pm : link
Yeah, Westbrook was sort of ahead of his time. He would have been a perfect player in a lot of the offenses being run now.

He was obviously incredibly productive when he did play anyway - but his skillset wasn't as common 15 years ago.

You definitely didn't see many backs catching 90 balls a decade+ ago, but he did.
RE: Fassel wasnt bad  
twostepgiants : 11/30/2017 11:19 pm : link
I forgot to add the NFL Coach of the Year

He did give us 2 great memories (beating undefeated Broncos and 41-0) and two horrible ones (the 2 playoff losses)

In comment 13715644 twostepgiants said:
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7 seasons. 3 playoff appeearances. Winning record at 5 games over .500

He won 2 division titles, 1 NFC title and made a Super Bowl.

We’ve certainly had worse coaches and worse stretches.
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Pete in MD : 11/30/2017 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13715638 arcarsenal said:
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The other thing about the Eagles is that they always had such weak sets of WR's before Owens got there.

Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell... those guys all sucked. They were all #3 and #4 WR's.

I always used to think Pinkston's legs were going to snap. I don't think I've ever seen a football player with legs as toothpicky as his were and haven't seen any since.


Aaron Rodgers stole Freddie Mitchell’s celebration move. It was “the people’s champ” long before the “discount double-check.”
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arcarsenal : 11/30/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13715652 Pete in MD said:
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The other thing about the Eagles is that they always had such weak sets of WR's before Owens got there.

Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell... those guys all sucked. They were all #3 and #4 WR's.

I always used to think Pinkston's legs were going to snap. I don't think I've ever seen a football player with legs as toothpicky as his were and haven't seen any since.



Aaron Rodgers stole Freddie Mitchell’s celebration move. It was “the people’s champ” long before the “discount double-check.”


Ironically, it was the Packers that Mitchell made the one impact play of his entire career against.. the 4th and 26 conversion @ the Linc in the Divisional playoff game.

That was before Rodgers' time by a few years, but yeah.. pretty much the only notable thing Mitchell ever did in the NFL.
The 2002 Giants were one of my fav Giants teams of all time  
jnoble : 11/30/2017 11:38 pm : link
Rookie Shockey, Tiki, Toomer and Strahan in their primes, Kerry throwing frozen ropes all over the field when he was "on"...
Only that damn The Playoff Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned in SF marred the memory of '02
Fassel's course  
Glover : 11/30/2017 11:41 pm : link
ran as it should have. I would hate him, then he'd make the playoffs. Ready to cut his head off, he makes it to the Super Bowl.
Frustrating coach. Giants were patient with him.
I did like the chips to the center  
Glover : 11/30/2017 11:42 pm : link
press conference.
We bemoan how bad our O-line is now ....  
Manny in CA : 12/1/2017 12:04 am : link

But what Fassel had to field was pure junk (that was the real reason he lost that heart-breaker at SF).

By 2003, most of the line was on IR. The guys (lineman) that started were not worth of the uniform.

I remember how proud he was to the Giants coach, in the last game against Carolina. He had no quit in him.

Tell you what, he would have never disrespected Eli, the way this fool, McAdoo, just did.
Was it Fassel or Accorsi...  
bw in dc : 12/1/2017 12:15 am : link
who subscribed to the five LTs theory?
RE: We bemoan how bad our O-line is now ....  
montanagiant : 12/1/2017 12:17 am : link
In comment 13715674 Manny in CA said:
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But what Fassel had to field was pure junk (that was the real reason he lost that heart-breaker at SF).

By 2003, most of the line was on IR. The guys (lineman) that started were not worth of the uniform.

I remember how proud he was to the Giants coach, in the last game against Carolina. He had no quit in him.

Tell you what, he would have never disrespected Eli, the way this fool, McAdoo, just did.

I tend to think it was the fact he decided a slow Jason Sehorn covering T.O. was a smart move. That and how he silently walked off the field after that obvious PI was not called on the failed FG attempt.

But I agree completely that he would have never been this fucking stupid to bench Eli. Fassel had his faults but he fought for his players
IIRC, Fassel told management  
81_Great_Dane : 12/1/2017 12:45 am : link
"They're not listening to me anyway" and resigned, which is in some ways a remarkably mature thing to do, in my view. He was going to be fired, but didn't stick around to collect a paycheck he felt he wasn't earning.

Fassel was so polarizing here. A lot of people here simply hated his demeanor and appearance. They wanted a coach out of central casting, with a fearsome grimace (cough Bill Cowher cough). But Fassel was pretty smart, even if he was very uneven as a coach:

"It's phys ed majors coaching phys ed majors"...

"There's no natural progression in the NFL" ...

Whatever happened off the field, it must have been pretty bad for him not to be able to get back into the league since he flamed out in Baltimore. So many guys get multiple chances. Not Jim Fassel.
I believe we lost in SF because Strahan pointed to the scoreboard  
GiantsUA : 12/1/2017 7:03 am : link
and tried to rub it in TO's face, the football gods punished him and the Giants, and a great house party came to an abrupt end with my wife saying to guests as they departed "at least you don't have to stay here with him"

nothing "odd" about it. it was pure Fassel. All about Jim.  
Victor in CT : 12/1/2017 8:15 am : link
Which while I don't agree with it because many worse coaches have had multiple chances, it's one of the reasons he never got another job.
RE: I kinda liked Fassel  
gmenatlarge : 12/1/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13715615 Rjanyg said:
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I really liked him as OC back in 1992. Hampton and Bunch were fun to watch and I thought he called a decent game.

He loved Tiki and it took Tiki a while before he became a feature back.


Bunch was fun to watch????? When?
Too bad McAdoo and Reese won’t do the same  
The_Boss : 12/1/2017 8:56 am : link
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RE: IIRC, Fassel told management  
Victor in CT : 12/1/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13715687 81_Great_Dane said:
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"They're not listening to me anyway" and resigned, which is in some ways a remarkably mature thing to do, in my view. He was going to be fired, but didn't stick around to collect a paycheck he felt he wasn't earning.

Fassel was so polarizing here. A lot of people here simply hated his demeanor and appearance. They wanted a coach out of central casting, with a fearsome grimace (cough Bill Cowher cough). But Fassel was pretty smart, even if he was very uneven as a coach:

"It's phys ed majors coaching phys ed majors"...

"There's no natural progression in the NFL" ...

Whatever happened off the field, it must have been pretty bad for him not to be able to get back into the league since he flamed out in Baltimore. So many guys get multiple chances. Not Jim Fassel.


What? What paycheck did he not collect? He finished the season.
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