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afann : 12/1/2017 6:35 am
In his article today he wrote the Macadoo did not say that Geno gave them the best chance to win. Correct me if I’m wrong, I though I heard him say that in his press conference on Tuesday. Did anyone else hear that?
Without looking at it, here's my recollection.  
Beezer : 12/1/2017 6:46 am : link
I was confused hearing people say/write that he said that. I DO recall him saying that they'd give Geno a game plan that gave him the best chance to win.

Again, going just on memory there. Plus, it's early. lol
Which might translate into.........We didn't come up with gameplans  
GiantBlue : 12/1/2017 7:06 am : link
to give Eli the best chance for us to win.........

But we will sit down and work real hard to come up with a gameplan that give Geno the best chance to get us a win.

SMH
The question was asked and answered  
kelsto811 : 12/1/2017 7:17 am : link
Without a pause. This is exactly where this is coming from:

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Q: With that being said, how do you look at the locker room and your team and say that Geno Smith gives you a better chance to win than Eli Manning?

A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.
I think it was the juxtaposition of jettisoning Eli for Geno  
Bill L : 12/1/2017 7:26 am : link
and later on when asked whether he was worried about his job, he responded that he was doing what's best for the the team's future.
RE: Which might translate into.........We didn't come up with gameplans  
section125 : 12/1/2017 7:29 am : link
In comment 13715739 GiantBlue said:
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to give Eli the best chance for us to win.........

But we will sit down and work real hard to come up with a gameplan that give Geno the best chance to get us a win.

SMH


Keep shaking your head. Because your "translation" is wrong. You think they didn't write a game plan for Eli to win? Hey Eli, just go out there and wing it....

Geno offers a different set of tools or perhaps lack of in his case.
They can be more mobile and roll more with Geno. Eli can read a defense better than almost every QB in the NFL, I doubt any are better.

So yes, each QB would have a different GP based on skillset.
RE: Which might translate into.........We didn't come up with gameplans  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/1/2017 7:38 am : link
In comment 13715739 GiantBlue said:
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to give Eli the best chance for us to win.........

But we will sit down and work real hard to come up with a gameplan that give Geno the best chance to get us a win.

SMH

Another kneejerk reaction that comes from just wanting to be more upset. That's not what it translates to. It's pretty simple: they're going to have a gameplan that takes into account that Geno, with his own skills and limitations, will be their QB.

JFC, not everything is a knock against Eli.
RE: The question was asked and answered  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/1/2017 7:48 am : link
In comment 13715748 kelsto811 said:
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Without a pause. This is exactly where this is coming from:



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Q: With that being said, how do you look at the locker room and your team and say that Geno Smith gives you a better chance to win than Eli Manning?

A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.


This context is helpful for understanding why many of the beat reporters ran with that as "Geno gives us a better chance to win." The beats are conditioned to go fishing for quotes with their questions, and that question clearly shows that at least one reporter was going for the ultimate clickbait quote of McAdoo saying that Geno gives them a better chance to win.

McAdoo answered it the only way he could - he obviously couldn't say "of course Geno doesn't give us a better chance to win" because that's going to get spun as an admission of tanking. And he most certainly didn't take that reporter's bait. But because the question was framed up in a way that was a comparison of Eli and Geno and the best chance to win, and then McAdoo used the words "Geno" and "win" in his answer, apparently that was enough for some of the hacks to take that and run with the angle they wanted all along.
So why is Geno playing?  
ZogZerg : 12/1/2017 8:03 am : link
Because McApoo is a FUCKING MORON!
Regardless  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/1/2017 8:29 am : link
this is ACTUALLY a very good article... recommend reading it...

It talks about the current temperature inside the organization.

The end of the Eli Era remains awkward and poorly plotted - ( New Window )
RE: So why is Geno playing?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/1/2017 8:33 am : link
In comment 13715795 ZogZerg said:
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Because McApoo is a FUCKING MORON!

Because Eli said no and the team didn't want to hang the legacy of breaking the streak on the rookie.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/1/2017 8:42 am : link
that's an excellent article and spot on.

The lack of both planning and understanding what the reactions would be are not a good reflection on the team's leadership's abilities
RE: RE: So why is Geno playing?  
Bill L : 12/1/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13715848 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13715795 ZogZerg said:


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Because McApoo is a FUCKING MORON!


Because Eli said no and the team didn't want to hang the legacy of breaking the streak on the rookie.
There's no way to blame Eli on this. They gave him the of appearing to be a me first pad my stats guy or being publicly humiliated. They gave him no choice at all.
RE: RE: So why is Geno playing?  
Milton : 12/1/2017 8:48 am : link
In comment 13715848 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13715795 ZogZerg said:


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Because McApoo is a FUCKING MORON!


Because Eli said no and the team didn't want to hang the legacy of breaking the streak on the rookie.
I think Geno is playing out of fairness to him. And in a way, fairness to Webb as well (since supposedly he's been getting only scout team reps until now). Geno has been the #2 QB all year and the one who has taken backup reps in order to be prepared to come into a game if Eli went down. He earned the right to be the next man up and with five games still left in the season, there is enough time to do right by Geno and also get Webb some starts as well. Geno could start one or two games and Webb could start the rest.
Fine, he didn’t say that about Geno  
trueblueinpw : 12/1/2017 9:16 am : link
But can we also get rid of the ridiculous notion that “there was no good way to do this”? A well run organization would have weeks ago gone first to Eli and said, hey, we need to get the kid some looks what do you think? Of course Eli would have done everything in his power to help out. For fuck sake, even with ham-fisted ass clown method that Mara presided over, fully embarrassing Eli Manning, Eli was first guy to work the next day and he started helping Davis Webb. There was a right way to this. Just because Mara and Reese and their flying monkey McAdoo didn’t do this the right way doesn’t mean there was no right way to this. And I’m not just talking about the optics. Did anyone read the article Eric linked above where Mike Sullivan says he can’t talk about certain things? The article says everyone is walking on eggshells because of the Manning thing. I’m sure they are - and should be - but does this mean they weren’t already walking on eggshells while the Giants were firmly ensconced in one of the most embaressing and failed seasons in franchise history? This isn’t just the optics of replacing a franchise great, all the things that needed to happen to get Webb ready for success were, apparently, not done.

Before the unthinkably stupid ruin of Eli’s relationship with the Giants, the season was already considered to be one of the most embarrassing failures in franchise history. Mara should already have fired the obviously inept McAdoo. He should have already been working on a plan to bring in Webb and - yes - ease out Eli. Who fucking cares what McAdoo did or did not say about Geno Smith? McAdoo has said plenty with the painfully apparent failure of his game plans and coaching and complete inability to lead the team and communicate with the players or the media. The Giants are a rudderless ship of fools on fire and the only person that doesn’t seem to know this is the owner John Mara.
The Schwartz article ought to be stickied.  
CT Charlie : 12/1/2017 9:26 am : link
As Eric says, it is a good analysis. People should read it and just calm down. The storm that has arisen over the situation is a classic example of just how difficult it is to be a player or a coach in the NY market. It also underscores how Eli's say-nothing-even-though-you're-talking has been the perfect approach to handling it for the past 14 years.
Ok  
afann : 12/1/2017 10:00 am : link
I was listening to it while listening to Fatcessa. I thought I heard it live but maybe it was just him talking over it.
RE: The question was asked and answered  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/1/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13715748 kelsto811 said:
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Without a pause. This is exactly where this is coming from:



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Q: With that being said, how do you look at the locker room and your team and say that Geno Smith gives you a better chance to win than Eli Manning?

A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.



Additional context must be given to why that question was asked.

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Head Coach Ben McAdoo

Opening Statement: Alright, each and every week our number one job is to win a football game. We’re 2-9 right now. We have five left to play. We’re out of contention and our number one job is to still win football games. But it’s my responsibility to make sure we have a complete evaluation of the roster – top to bottom. Especially at the quarterback position moving on to next season and with that, we’re going to start Geno (Smith) this week and give him an opportunity to show what he can do. We’ll open it up.


So when the coach said "our number one job is still win football games" and then said he would start Geno or Eli, that is where I think the reporter put one and one together to ask that question.

Someone may have a different interpretation of it.
RE: RE: The question was asked and answered  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/1/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13716066 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 13715748 kelsto811 said:


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Without a pause. This is exactly where this is coming from:



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Q: With that being said, how do you look at the locker room and your team and say that Geno Smith gives you a better chance to win than Eli Manning?

A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.





Additional context must be given to why that question was asked.



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Head Coach Ben McAdoo

Opening Statement: Alright, each and every week our number one job is to win a football game. We’re 2-9 right now. We have five left to play. We’re out of contention and our number one job is to still win football games. But it’s my responsibility to make sure we have a complete evaluation of the roster – top to bottom. Especially at the quarterback position moving on to next season and with that, we’re going to start Geno (Smith) this week and give him an opportunity to show what he can do. We’ll open it up.



So when the coach said "our number one job is still win football games" and then said he would start Geno or Eli, that is where I think the reporter put one and one together to ask that question.

Someone may have a different interpretation of it.

You can't leave out the line he said in between those two statements:
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But it’s my responsibility to make sure we have a complete evaluation of the roster – top to bottom. Especially at the quarterback position moving on to next season

Ignoring that line is how it becomes a misquote.
This is McAdoo's hail mary  
rocco8112 : 12/1/2017 10:33 am : link
he is giddy to start Geno. He is all but fired, he hopes to make the offense look good with Geno or Webb to go to ownership to blame Eli to keep his job or failing that to make this case to other teams for a new coaching job. Reese likely feels the same since he scapegoated Coughlin to save his job two years ago.
Afan wrote  
Red Right Hand : 12/1/2017 1:51 pm : link
"afann : 6:35 am
In his article today he wrote the Macadoo did not say that Geno gave them the best chance to win. Correct me if I’m wrong, I though I heard him say that in his press conference on Tuesday. Did anyone else hear that?"

We all heard that, because that's what he meant, but no, it's not what he actually said, verbatim.
RE: RE: So why is Geno playing?  
ZogZerg : 12/1/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13715848 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13715795 ZogZerg said:


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Because McApoo is a FUCKING MORON!


Because Eli said no and the team didn't want to hang the legacy of breaking the streak on the rookie.



WTF are you babbling about? Eli gave them the answer they knew he would give them. Playing Geno has nothing to do with Eli. Either play the Rookie of play Eli.
RE: Regardless  
HomerJones45 : 12/1/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13715836 Eric from BBI said:
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this is ACTUALLY a very good article... recommend reading it...

It talks about the current temperature inside the organization. The end of the Eli Era remains awkward and poorly plotted - ( New Window )
The temperature is "brain dead". Sullivan refuses to even mention whether Webb is getting practice time, apparently for good reason, because the Stumblebum admitted today Webb has not received any increase in practice reps. Then there is some contingent (unidentified) who thinks Geno Smith is salvageable. Another contingent (also unidentified) thinks Eli hasn't "helped himself when he's had opportunities".

Forget Eli Manning or his streak. None of this seems to involve any forethought, planning, or adult discussion and decision, and seems to be for nothing more than trying to resolve arguments among the various factions within the front office and owners' box.

They should put a tent on this circus. Just a slipshod, unorganized, leaderless and undisciplined bunch of clowns. Good luck to this franchise going forward; they'll need it.
RE: RE: Regardless  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/1/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13716742 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13715836 Eric from BBI said:


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this is ACTUALLY a very good article... recommend reading it...

It talks about the current temperature inside the organization. The end of the Eli Era remains awkward and poorly plotted - ( New Window )

The temperature is "brain dead". Sullivan refuses to even mention whether Webb is getting practice time, apparently for good reason, because the Stumblebum admitted today Webb has not received any increase in practice reps. Then there is some contingent (unidentified) who thinks Geno Smith is salvageable. Another contingent (also unidentified) thinks Eli hasn't "helped himself when he's had opportunities".

Forget Eli Manning or his streak. None of this seems to involve any forethought, planning, or adult discussion and decision, and seems to be for nothing more than trying to resolve arguments among the various factions within the front office and owners' box.

They should put a tent on this circus. Just a slipshod, unorganized, leaderless and undisciplined bunch of clowns. Good luck to this franchise going forward; they'll need it.


I don't understand why we jump to such grandiose conclusions while knowing precisely nothing that actually goes on inside that building.
In his presser the follow day they pushed him on tbia  
ron mexico : 12/1/2017 2:41 pm : link
And he made it clear that is not what he said

Listen..,there is plenty of things to complain about with Ben. There is no need to fabricate more.

This move all but signed his exit papers. He is not giddy to have geno start and the reaction he will get when he plays at home.
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