no one touches Girardi..Think they really screwed this one up
Based on what the players and former players (especially Tex) have said, Girardi was a good manager, but not good at relating to people. That might have worked with a veteran team- but that's not the Yanks anymore. Just like the strong-man approach of Showalter wore the team down, Girardi's presence really did this team no favors.
With a young team that showed how important a strong clubhouse presence was last season (see the emotional impact that Todd Frazier had on the team, especially down the stretch and in the playoffs), the fact that the manager was a non-factor in the clubhouse practically screams that a change was necessary.
It is time for a guy who can lead the team, while simultaneously having a strong feel for the flow and of the game- and be able to be proactive- not reactive. Girardi simply never had that instinctual feel for what was happening.
In a way, part of me believes that Meulens is the best choice as a whole, but another part says that the powerful clubhouse presence of Beltran might be the best thing for this team right now- especially with a large portion of the next wave of young Yanks will be Latino.
Originally,reports said Cash would choose 2-3 from the group to meet w/Hal. Now,it seems Cash will choose one & present him to Hal. I think they want a manager in place when pursuing Ohtani.
Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
what makes Beltran a great candidate? He just stopped playing.
I think in today's baseball,your second sentence answers your first. It's not the baseball I've known, a guy getting coaching experience in the minors,coaching in the majors before being offered a managerial position.Seems teams want a manager who is part of the decision making conglomerate,open to using the conglomerate's analytics & is able to relate to today's players. So,Beltran just retiring,being a part of the Yankees in 2015-16,knowing the younger players serves as a positive rather than the negative we might have looked at it as in the past!
Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
Davidoff just posted that Cashman said that all of the
with moving on from Girardi...but I thought for sure they had someone in mind already when they let him go. I think you can do better than Girardi, but you can also do a lot worse.
Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
Its not about the $$.
It is about what they offer to the 2018 Yankees against what other players can offer. If they come up short against other options, you cannot and should not keep them on the roster.
Just as an example, if the Yanks believe that Kyle Higashioka offers more as a backup C than Romine, then Romine should not be tendered a contract.
Another example- if the Yanks believe that Heller, Holder and Cessa are ahead of Shreve on the depth chart, then Shreve should not be given a contract.
Quite simply, the Yanks WILL have to open up more roster spots going forward- IF Otani signs, they will need a spot. If they bring back CC or Todd Frazier, they will need a spot.
Something else to remember with both Shreve and Romine- they have both used up their options. In other words, if either one plays badly in 2018, they can't be optioned to the minors without being taken off the 40 man roster and exposed to waivers.
Better to get new guys who have options to maintain roster flexibility.
I thought Pedrique deserved an interview. He groomed all of these
The players like and respect Girardi. He's a good man and a solid manager. However, he's a pretty intense dude, and as Tex described it, playing for him got to be a real grind. Playing for the Yankees has its own innate pressure. While I'm not the biggest Joe Torre fan in the world, what he did really well was defuse the tension and the pressure. From what Teixeira said, Girardi kind of amplified the pressure and tension.
Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
Its not about the $$.
It is about what they offer to the 2018 Yankees against what other players can offer. If they come up short against other options, you cannot and should not keep them on the roster.
Just as an example, if the Yanks believe that Kyle Higashioka offers more as a backup C than Romine, then Romine should not be tendered a contract.
Another example- if the Yanks believe that Heller, Holder and Cessa are ahead of Shreve on the depth chart, then Shreve should not be given a contract.
Quite simply, the Yanks WILL have to open up more roster spots going forward- IF Otani signs, they will need a spot. If they bring back CC or Todd Frazier, they will need a spot.
Something else to remember with both Shreve and Romine- they have both used up their options. In other words, if either one plays badly in 2018, they can't be optioned to the minors without being taken off the 40 man roster and exposed to waivers.
Better to get new guys who have options to maintain roster flexibility.
Cashman also told Davidoff that he really "likes the way Romine handles pitchers". Seems the front office is very happy to have a backup C who, they believe, is solid defensively.I think if they are able to sign Ohtani,Romine will see less time catching as the DH spot won't always be an option for Sanchez. Shreve,on the other hand,IMO,has outlived his usefulness & I'd love to see them pursue another loogy this off-season!
Don't think Woodward has enough experience & hasn't been a manager. Beltran said that if he got the job, he'd need to have an experienced former manager as his bench coach.Wedge could be that guy.
to not interview the AAA coach because he's a known quantity or is Pedrique really out of the running? Why not give him a year to see if he can work the same magic in the big league he works in AAA. Every time I watched those videos he's teaching players how to play the game, that's what the Yankees need. As talented as these young players are they really don't know the game. Hell, some of the vets don't either. I want a Tom Kelly type, who teaches 10 year vets new things.
Beltrans been one of my favorite players for the past 20 years - I kinda hope he gets it, though Bam Bam has stronger credentials. If its either of those two, Im happy.
Zero experience and a Cashman puppet. Ridiculous choice but that is where my money is.
Ill go ahead and trust Cashman over a guy named averagejoe on a message board. To call it ridiculous is hysterical considering you know absolutely nothing about Beltran and what he has to offer. Im going to go out on a limb and say that you just dont like Cashman. Which is ridiculous in its own right after what hes done recently.
he sure sounded like a guy confident he was getting the job.
I could be wrong of course, but to me its also telling that Cashman ended the interview process immediately after Beltran interviewed.
Maybe, but Beltran may have been the last person he wanted to talk to. Meulens might still be the guy, but maybe Cash wanted to hear from Beltran because he is sharp, well liked, respected and a fresh face.
To me, Meulens seems to have the chops, organizational experience, bench coach, multi-lingual, youngish, with pro experience. Seems to have very good resume and meets what Cash said he was looking for.
to not interview the AAA coach because he's a known quantity or is Pedrique really out of the running? Why not give him a year to see if he can work the same magic in the big league he works in AAA. Every time I watched those videos he's teaching players how to play the game, that's what the Yankees need. As talented as these young players are they really don't know the game. Hell, some of the vets don't either. I want a Tom Kelly type, who teaches 10 year vets new things.
It's possible that with so much talent still in the pipeline, they'd prefer to keep Pedrique in the developmental role that he has shown a lot of success doing at AAA.
Expect Muelins and Beltran to be 2 of the 3 that gets a interview with Hal. I just hope Wedge is not one of them. Regarding the AAA coach, I believe he is over 60 and the Yanks want to get someone younger.
Expect Muelins and Beltran to be 2 of the 3 that gets a interview with Hal. I just hope Wedge is not one of them. Regarding the AAA coach, I believe he is over 60 and the Yanks want to get someone younger.
Al Pedrique is not going to manage the Yankees. Regardless of whether you think he's a good candidate, the plain fact of the matter is that he's never gotten another chance in 13 years after his first shot at managing in MLB. If he hasn't gotten one by now, it's not going to happen.
Zero experience and a Cashman puppet. Ridiculous choice but that is where my money is.
Ill go ahead and trust Cashman over a guy named averagejoe on a message board. To call it ridiculous is hysterical considering you know absolutely nothing about Beltran and what he has to offer. Im going to go out on a limb and say that you just dont like Cashman. Which is ridiculous in its own right after what hes done recently.
But a guy named Big Blue Schlong has credibility ? Actually I like Cashman very much. His work as a GM has been miraculous the last two years. But I think becoming de-facto mgr might be a little too much for him. I do know something about Beltran. He has never managed or coached anywhere. That is a fact. If he is the choice I believe it is fair to view him as Cashman's puppet.
No, his Japanese is almost certainly little more than basic phrases.
I think that Meulens would be a solid choice- but that the Yanks should bring in a guy who can be a strong presence on the bench without overruling him- an X's and O's type of guy with a lot of years in the dugout.
I would hope that Beltran at least gets a coaching role out of all this. Maybe hitting coach or 1st base coach. 1st base might be good- Beltran was noted for his work with fast young players on basestealing reads and study.
I think that maybe a staff with some young "up and coming" coaches might be a good idea.
According to a source, a clear front-runner emerged from the six candidates for the Yankees' managerial job. That could explain why a second round of interviews with Hal Steinbrenner is unnecessary. Still no timetable on a hire.
There was a gap between the first five interviews and Beltran (granted, Thanksgiving was a factor), and now there will be no more interviews and no second round with Hal.
It's going to either be Woodward or Meulens. I can't imagine the Yankees are going to hire Boone or Beltran with zero coaching experience. This is the Yankees, not the Brewers - there's no time for training wheels in the Bronx. I also refuse to believe that Eric Wedge was a serious candidate.
I still can't get over them reaching out to Oakland about Melvin.
Absolutely not.
I wan't a fan of not bringing back Girardi, but you have no idea what any of the candidates will amount to.
Based on what the players and former players (especially Tex) have said, Girardi was a good manager, but not good at relating to people. That might have worked with a veteran team- but that's not the Yanks anymore. Just like the strong-man approach of Showalter wore the team down, Girardi's presence really did this team no favors.
With a young team that showed how important a strong clubhouse presence was last season (see the emotional impact that Todd Frazier had on the team, especially down the stretch and in the playoffs), the fact that the manager was a non-factor in the clubhouse practically screams that a change was necessary.
It is time for a guy who can lead the team, while simultaneously having a strong feel for the flow and of the game- and be able to be proactive- not reactive. Girardi simply never had that instinctual feel for what was happening.
In a way, part of me believes that Meulens is the best choice as a whole, but another part says that the powerful clubhouse presence of Beltran might be the best thing for this team right now- especially with a large portion of the next wave of young Yanks will be Latino.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
I think in today's baseball,your second sentence answers your first. It's not the baseball I've known, a guy getting coaching experience in the minors,coaching in the majors before being offered a managerial position.Seems teams want a manager who is part of the decision making conglomerate,open to using the conglomerate's analytics & is able to relate to today's players. So,Beltran just retiring,being a part of the Yankees in 2015-16,knowing the younger players serves as a positive rather than the negative we might have looked at it as in the past!
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
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Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
Its not about the $$.
It is about what they offer to the 2018 Yankees against what other players can offer. If they come up short against other options, you cannot and should not keep them on the roster.
Just as an example, if the Yanks believe that Kyle Higashioka offers more as a backup C than Romine, then Romine should not be tendered a contract.
Another example- if the Yanks believe that Heller, Holder and Cessa are ahead of Shreve on the depth chart, then Shreve should not be given a contract.
Quite simply, the Yanks WILL have to open up more roster spots going forward- IF Otani signs, they will need a spot. If they bring back CC or Todd Frazier, they will need a spot.
Something else to remember with both Shreve and Romine- they have both used up their options. In other words, if either one plays badly in 2018, they can't be optioned to the minors without being taken off the 40 man roster and exposed to waivers.
Better to get new guys who have options to maintain roster flexibility.
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Today is the contract tender deadline. Obviously guys like Warren, Betances, Grey, Kahnle, Gregorius and Hicks get tendered.
I think there is a strong chance that Romine gets non-tendered.
What about Shreve? At this point, he is almost a forgotten man in the back of the pen. Do the Yanks want to pay him nearly $1M and risk that he reverts to 2016 performance, or worse yet- that he is just average and takes innings away from more talented young relievers?
IMO, were I Cashman, I would non-tender Romine and Shreve and use that money to work on the bench.
If they weren't going to tender Romine & Shreve,I doubt they would have been kept on the 40 man. Plus,neither one is going to break the bank
Its not about the $$.
It is about what they offer to the 2018 Yankees against what other players can offer. If they come up short against other options, you cannot and should not keep them on the roster.
Just as an example, if the Yanks believe that Kyle Higashioka offers more as a backup C than Romine, then Romine should not be tendered a contract.
Another example- if the Yanks believe that Heller, Holder and Cessa are ahead of Shreve on the depth chart, then Shreve should not be given a contract.
Quite simply, the Yanks WILL have to open up more roster spots going forward- IF Otani signs, they will need a spot. If they bring back CC or Todd Frazier, they will need a spot.
Something else to remember with both Shreve and Romine- they have both used up their options. In other words, if either one plays badly in 2018, they can't be optioned to the minors without being taken off the 40 man roster and exposed to waivers.
Better to get new guys who have options to maintain roster flexibility.
Cashman also told Davidoff that he really "likes the way Romine handles pitchers". Seems the front office is very happy to have a backup C who, they believe, is solid defensively.I think if they are able to sign Ohtani,Romine will see less time catching as the DH spot won't always be an option for Sanchez. Shreve,on the other hand,IMO,has outlived his usefulness & I'd love to see them pursue another loogy this off-season!
Don't think Woodward has enough experience & hasn't been a manager. Beltran said that if he got the job, he'd need to have an experienced former manager as his bench coach.Wedge could be that guy.
I could be wrong of course, but to me its also telling that Cashman ended the interview process immediately after Beltran interviewed.
Ill go ahead and trust Cashman over a guy named averagejoe on a message board. To call it ridiculous is hysterical considering you know absolutely nothing about Beltran and what he has to offer. Im going to go out on a limb and say that you just dont like Cashman. Which is ridiculous in its own right after what hes done recently.
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he sure sounded like a guy confident he was getting the job.
I could be wrong of course, but to me its also telling that Cashman ended the interview process immediately after Beltran interviewed.
Maybe, but Beltran may have been the last person he wanted to talk to. Meulens might still be the guy, but maybe Cash wanted to hear from Beltran because he is sharp, well liked, respected and a fresh face.
To me, Meulens seems to have the chops, organizational experience, bench coach, multi-lingual, youngish, with pro experience. Seems to have very good resume and meets what Cash said he was looking for.
It's possible that with so much talent still in the pipeline, they'd prefer to keep Pedrique in the developmental role that he has shown a lot of success doing at AAA.
Pedrique is 57,Muelens is 51
Al Pedrique is not going to manage the Yankees. Regardless of whether you think he's a good candidate, the plain fact of the matter is that he's never gotten another chance in 13 years after his first shot at managing in MLB. If he hasn't gotten one by now, it's not going to happen.
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Zero experience and a Cashman puppet. Ridiculous choice but that is where my money is.
Ill go ahead and trust Cashman over a guy named averagejoe on a message board. To call it ridiculous is hysterical considering you know absolutely nothing about Beltran and what he has to offer. Im going to go out on a limb and say that you just dont like Cashman. Which is ridiculous in its own right after what hes done recently.
But a guy named Big Blue Schlong has credibility ? Actually I like Cashman very much. His work as a GM has been miraculous the last two years. But I think becoming de-facto mgr might be a little too much for him. I do know something about Beltran. He has never managed or coached anywhere. That is a fact. If he is the choice I believe it is fair to view him as Cashman's puppet.
No, his Japanese is almost certainly little more than basic phrases.
I think that Meulens would be a solid choice- but that the Yanks should bring in a guy who can be a strong presence on the bench without overruling him- an X's and O's type of guy with a lot of years in the dugout.
I would hope that Beltran at least gets a coaching role out of all this. Maybe hitting coach or 1st base coach. 1st base might be good- Beltran was noted for his work with fast young players on basestealing reads and study.
I think that maybe a staff with some young "up and coming" coaches might be a good idea.
According to a source, a clear front-runner emerged from the six candidates for the Yankees' managerial job. That could explain why a second round of interviews with Hal Steinbrenner is unnecessary. Still no timetable on a hire.
There was a gap between the first five interviews and Beltran (granted, Thanksgiving was a factor), and now there will be no more interviews and no second round with Hal.