If we get blown out on Sunday is that the last straw

but not lose badly? A loss is a loss IMO

since Oakland really needs this game, and a big loss at home to the Cowboys, gets Mac sent home early.

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In comment 13716625 PatersonPlank said:

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since Oakland really needs this game, and a big loss at home to the Cowboys, gets Mac sent home early.

One would have thought the loss to SF would have been enough.

The Eli debacle should have been enough.

The rams game...

Why would you fire a head coach with only 4 games left? What purpose does this serve? Changing coaches isn't going to change the course of the season- the Giants are already mathematically eliminated.

Further, a new guy- even if he just gets the interim tag- is going to go all out to win games. Right now, it is in the teams best long term interest to lose games and get the high pick.

Really, do you really want to finish 4-10 or 5-11 and get a pick around 9-14? How does that improve next year's team?

It is clear that many vets will be let go this winter, which makes the draft next year so much more important. You need a premium high pick to get a top talent.

A high pick also makes the round 2 pick MUCH more valuable. When teams assess the board after day 1, some falling guys might make some team desperate enough to trade some excellent picks for a top 3 pick on day 2.

Look, McAdoo isn't going to inspire this team to win games for him- that ship sailed a LONG time ago. He knows he is a "dead man walking" as far as his job prospects go. Let the team tailspin for the next 5 games, fire him then, and begin the rebuild.

He will be around to the end of the season. If BM and Mara were NOT on the same page...He will be gone Sunday night if they lose badly.

For the first time ever, I hope the Giants get their asses handed to them so bad and Geno Smith has tons of interceptions. The only Unless part is if Geno gets knocked out of the game and McAdoo is forced to put Eli in, then I want to see him come back and whoop on the Raiders as a big ol middle finger to McAdoo and see what excuses he comes up with next week about benching Eli.

Eli or not..

There really is nothing about this team which says they can win games going forward. I don't think they really have to try to lose to lose. (Which isn't to say that they aren't planning on trying to lose anyway...heck, if they perform per their norm, they'll probably go full bore on the tanking and end up winning out).

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v. Dallas. The backlash is going to be brutal, and I want him to experience it.

then it doesn't matter what happens on Sunday.

good point. If anything it may placate the fanbase some. It really does not have an impact on the remainder of the season.

If he is fired then the question is does whoever takes over reinstate Eli as the starter or does he tow the party line and "see" what we have in the other QBs?

Just a little fun to speculate as we have nothing else to root for at the moment.

to run an NFL team. He's not going to do anything now but delay the inevitable.

Fire his ass now. As in RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

Put Spagnolo in as interim HC with a directive on what to do at QB. He's got HC experience, and he knows what the deal is going forward. Direct him to have Mike Sullivan prepare Webb to get in some of the remaining games, which is what McAdouche SHOULD HAVE DONE after the September disaster.

That way the GIANTS can salvage something from the last four games by at least getting a look at Webb.

Mara has to know that he is quickly losing or has lost a lot of respect for some of the decisions McAdoo and Reese are making, and every week he keeps them employed makes it worse (as noted from the bad way the Eli benching was handeled).

I would think at some point Mara would want to regain the respect of the fans, former players, and likely current players by letting these guys walk.

They're 2 and fucking 9!!!! Players dogging it, suspensions, now the Eli fiasco......you almost get the feeling that McAdoo could pull a Lombardi around the parking lot behind his car a la Costanza and still not get fired yet.

I think he's safe for the season, but gone after. Progressively uglier blowouts might change that, but I think it's unlikely they make a change at this point. I also think it's unlikely he can do anything at this point to save his job. And I certainly hope that's the case.

came this week. what happened with Eli is far worse than any loss. This debacle will not be forgotten or forgiven

before it becomes unacceptable? It has gone beyond unacceptable and an occasional good game sprinkled in does not mean that this team is "good" but just under performing. It may just mean that the opposition fucked up that day. It may just mean that both Denver and Kansas City suck too and they are losing to other teams as well.

All you need to do is step back and look at the last 5 years. This team is broken in so many ways and we are more than just a couple of players away.

tbh, I wouldn't mind McAdoo getting fired, putting Spags or Sullivan as interim coach, and they re-insert Eli as the starter so us fans are given a chance to say good-bye to Eli. Not just for us adult fans, but I know kids who are heart broken that they didn't get a chance to say good-bye to Eli. They want to go see him one last time. It would do a lot of good in terms of getting back in good graces with the fanbase who are hurting right now thanks to the callousness of this clown HC.

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v. Dallas. The backlash is going to be brutal, and I want him to experience it.

Yeah, I want to hear "Good-Bye Bennie" shake down the rafters.

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In comment 13716654 Section331 said: Quote: v. Dallas. The backlash is going to be brutal, and I want him to experience it. Yeah, I want to hear "Good-Bye Bennie" shake down the rafters.

Think all the Cowboy fans will do it?

He wasn't fired after being blown out by the winless, Beathard led niners...in which the team appeared to have quit. If that didn't get him fired, he is not getting fired with 4 games left even with the poor handling of Manning. I think there is zero chance he is coach next year though

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In comment 13716654 Section331 said: Quote: v. Dallas. The backlash is going to be brutal, and I want him to experience it. Yeah baby!!! Maybe even get the 'Boys fans ... who will likely outnumber Giants fans...to join in. Yeah, I want to hear "Good-Bye Bennie" shake down the rafters.

I say this because I do think Mara will want to avoid a hostile situation in the next home game against Dallas. If McAdoo is gone it takes some of the edge off the atmosphere. Otherwise it will be an ugly scene for all involved. It is not the Giants way...but does that even mean anything anymore?

In comment 13716634 rich in DC said:

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Why would you fire a head coach with only 4 games left? What purpose does this serve? Changing coaches isn't going to change the course of the season- the Giants are already mathematically eliminated. Further, a new guy- even if he just gets the interim tag- is going to go all out to win games. Right now, it is in the teams best long term interest to lose games and get the high pick. You fire him because he is an asshole and a shit coach. That's what you do when your employees are garbage and are making your company look like shit, you get rid of them immediately. Really, do you really want to finish 4-10 or 5-11 and get a pick around 9-14? How does that improve next year's team? It is clear that many vets will be let go this winter, which makes the draft next year so much more important. You need a premium high pick to get a top talent. A high pick also makes the round 2 pick MUCH more valuable. When teams assess the board after day 1, some falling guys might make some team desperate enough to trade some excellent picks for a top 3 pick on day 2. Look, McAdoo isn't going to inspire this team to win games for him- that ship sailed a LONG time ago. He knows he is a "dead man walking" as far as his job prospects go. Let the team tailspin for the next 5 games, fire him then, and begin the rebuild.

In comment 13716634 rich in DC said:

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Why would you fire a head coach with only 4 games left? What purpose does this serve? Changing coaches isn't going to change the course of the season- the Giants are already mathematically eliminated. Further, a new guy- even if he just gets the interim tag- is going to go all out to win games. Right now, it is in the teams best long term interest to lose games and get the high pick. You fire him because he is an asshole and a shit coach. That's what you do when your employees are garbage and are making your company look like shit, you get rid of them immediately. Really, do you really want to finish 4-10 or 5-11 and get a pick around 9-14? How does that improve next year's team? It is clear that many vets will be let go this winter, which makes the draft next year so much more important. You need a premium high pick to get a top talent. A high pick also makes the round 2 pick MUCH more valuable. When teams assess the board after day 1, some falling guys might make some team desperate enough to trade some excellent picks for a top 3 pick on day 2. Look, McAdoo isn't going to inspire this team to win games for him- that ship sailed a LONG time ago. He knows he is a "dead man walking" as far as his job prospects go. Let the team tailspin for the next 5 games, fire him then, and begin the rebuild.

Because he is an asshole. When you have employees that are terrible at their job while making your company look like shit you get rid of them immediately. Who cares who runs the team for the remainder of waste this year is?

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SO he cannot inflict more damage ala his fumbling of Eli Manning. Also he is a piece of trash...fire him

I’m at the point where we go big or go home .
Keep McAdoo in there till the bitter end, let him squirm. Who cares if we lose by 1or 30 I’m good, just lose , I want as high a pick as possible , 7-9 will do us no good, why settle for mediocrity when you can be truly terrible, not Browns terrible, but they can get close.

Until Jan 2nd

1miunte left in the last game someone should be instructed from Mara to call a timeout and have MAC fired and escorted by security off the field. The crowd would go wild.

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They're 2 and fucking 9!!!! Players dogging it, suspensions, now the Eli fiasco......you almost get the feeling that McAdoo could pull a Lombardi around the parking lot behind his car a la Costanza and still not get fired yet.

Need a last straw so we can go on to the FINAL STRAW

only to see him bear the brunt of fans verbal abuse. But Mara should fire him and not based on reasons that are apparent. He should be fired because at this point he is the only public voice of this franchise. Being the public spokesman is only tarnishing the franchise further with every word he utters. On the other hand, I wouldn't be opposed to mitch300's scenario where Ben endures a perp-walk in front of fans.

Geno 10 picks 0 yds passing sacked 25 times butt fumble twice..7 pick 6s

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YES!!
Just the statement that he had no regrets should have been sufficient for John Mara to fire him regardless of Sunday's outcome. (Add that to the fact that Webb STILL hasn't gotten any reps.)
Win or lose, McAdoo did the planning and thus "owns" the Oakland game. Midweek transition to Spags or Sully wouldn't make sense.
On the other hand, it is important that NYG management send a signal on Monday that what happened this week was an aberration. (If I were Mara, I'd do a "Mea Culpa" in the firing announcement.)
As we have seen this season, no conclusions can be drawn from a single game (e.g. Denver or KC). The evidence on McAdoo is already in.

how he handled the Eli thing apparently is NOT how Mara wanted it to go. His arrogant responses to the media following the incident only inflames the situation. If this is not a terminable offense I don't know what is. He is a total embarrassment to the entire organization. ANY business that I am aware of would never tolerate this. I own a small business and would never put up with this.

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v. Dallas. The backlash is going to be brutal, and I want him to experience it.

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Mac will be booed out of the stadium

an hour ago McAdoo can be fired in 24 hours.

how McAdoo handled the Eli situation and his lack of communication skills.

was no final straw. Had to be something, no?