My ideal scenario was mentoring the top pick then riding off into the sunset. With his ties to this area, I thought it was a legit option. Link - ( New Window )
thinking going out on healthy side. However, he has a competitive fire and still skills to a degree to play another year or two. A team that is now type winning and need that qb piece would be great spot for him to finish up career.
where this last season is his final chapter in his playing career. But there is something that can be said about familiarity. He lives here and doesn't have to uproot his family. He can easily transition into the studio if he so chooses (I think CBS has already said they would hire him). He's healthy and can walk away with his head held high.
Just setting the stage for a trade in the off season Â
1. the Giants may approach him about his contract.....it can be restructured, for a more team friendly cap....
2. The draft is a crap shoot.....the Giants have their own in house problems....will there be a new GM? New HC? And if there is both, what if the guy they covet, if it is a qb, is gone after the first two picks? Would they still want Eli? However, that decision has to be made long before the draft, before that 5M, kicks in...that's where #1, comes into play....
3. But even Eli has to wonder, is there a market out there for him? Jax and Denver keep coming up, but they are no guarantee.....and how much would he want? He could sign a performance contract, with a low base, but if he reaches personal incentives and team incentives, could still be well paid....big question is, is he willing to work with the Giants in a trade that gives them compensation for him, or will he stick it to them and force them to cut him?
4. If he feels the right team is not out there for him, he could retire.....he needs a viable OL in front of him, that can pass protect and run the ball....and a defense that can hold a lead in the fourth Q....if that kind of team is not out there, then he just may retire.....but I will be surprised if there isn't at least one team out there looking for the brass ring, that thinks that Eli could be the missing piece.....
You're dreaming if you think Eli would restructure his contract... Â
Even if a new coach/GM is conducive to retaining Eli, I don't see Eli returning under center for the Giants unless it is on his terms. He has $32M in cash/bonuses remaining on his contract. The Giants will have to commit to him financially that serves as a financial apology for the manner this past week was handled and that serves as a commitment where it won't happen again. Eli should get that $32M guaranteed.
This regime threw him under the bus. Any new GM and HC isn’t going to want to deal with this mess going forward. They’ll want a fresh start free from legacies and ability to build their new team.
People here are allowing their emotions to get the best of them and hindering seeing the way things are going to play out.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
playing for the Giants again- of the current regime remains in place. Mac (and to a lesser extent Reese) believe Geno is he answer. That’s why thisball went down the way it did. And Mac has ZERO interest in getting Webb ready. He thinks Geno is going to show the rest of this season he should be the starter for next year. We all know that would be catastrophic for the organization but I guess the “smartest man in the room” know better.
*IF* the PR stench of this move can be cleaned up.. Â
along with the firing of Reese & McAdoo, I can see a scenario where Eli is under center next year with rookie QB/Webb playing behind him. It is not far fetched, but would depend who is brought in here to coach. This would be my ideal scenario.
RE: *IF* the PR stench of this move can be cleaned up.. Â
along with the firing of Reese & McAdoo, I can see a scenario where Eli is under center next year with rookie QB/Webb playing behind him. It is not far fetched, but would depend who is brought in here to coach. This would be my ideal scenario.
if eli comes back (which I highly doubt) then mcadoo isn't going anywhere because they aren't going through another offensive scheme again for eli at 37
Whatever the bond between Eli and the Giants was, it has now Â
along with the firing of Reese & McAdoo, I can see a scenario where Eli is under center next year with rookie QB/Webb playing behind him. It is not far fetched, but would depend who is brought in here to coach. This would be my ideal scenario.
if eli comes back (which I highly doubt) then mcadoo isn't going anywhere because they aren't going through another offensive scheme again for eli at 37
McAdoo isn’t coming back micky, I know you’ve been banging that drum. The house is getting cleaned, Mara all but assured that this week.
Eli was more than capable to learn a new offensive system after 2015. That was the mistake which was made.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Funny, but you forgot this part:
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The franchise quarterback still will get all of the $10.75 million, with $9 million of it being paid up front and guaranteed, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.
Our hero!!!!! Willing to take his $9 million upfront instead of waiting for it to be paid over the season. And you damn people don't appreciate the sacrifices he's made for this team! - signed, Britt in VA
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Funny, but you forgot this part:
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The franchise quarterback still will get all of the $10.75 million, with $9 million of it being paid up front and guaranteed, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.
Our hero!!!!! Willing to take his $9 million upfront instead of waiting for it to be paid over the season. And you damn people don't appreciate the sacrifices he's made for this team! - signed, Britt in VA
The bottom line is that he did restructure his contract. And he did lose a decent chunk of change tax-wise by getting the money as a bonus vs over the course of the season...
Just sayin’...
They just don't like it when they get proven wrong.... Â
I'll never understand it. A guy that has delivered so much, you look for every opportunity to disparage the guy.
I like Eli a lot.....but why do we have to make up lies about him? He didn't sacrifice any money to help the team out - nothing wrong with that - but why resort to lying about it?
and still has that desire to be a starter. His skills have declined a little bit, but I think he could stay here and give the next guy a chance to develop before throwing him into the mix. Give Eli the right team around him and he will excel. If Reese and McAdoo depart, hopefully so, then anything is a possibility, but if they remain, all bets are off and either Eli retires or forces a trade to a place of his choosing.
do they giants still have contractual rights over him if he changes his mind? If not, he should retire and sign on with a team that he can help and be treated more professionally and everyone's problems are solved.
if Eli family is even floating this story then McAdoo's benching was the correct call.
because it is implying that even his father knows he is done as an effective QB
if Eli family is even floating this story then McAdoo's benching was the correct call.
because it is implying that even his father knows he is done as an effective QB
You are totally misreading this. They are floating it to reenforve the no trade clause they are setting up the giants to not get mich in return even if eli agrees to a trade. This is pressure to either cut him or play him until he says his done. They acrewed up, the family is going to make sure they pay yhe piper. Its business but personal and very much on line with what happen with peyton.
Restructuring is not the same thing as taken a pay cut. Â
Feigning ignorance to try and prove a point is not very becoming. And, if people truly don't know the difference, please learn the lexicon if before making wide sweeping statements.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Important to recall that this transaction doesn't mean Eli took less money. They just pushed it further down the line. Usually when this is done it also creates more guaranteed money. So he wasn't ringing the salvation army bell here.
But lets see what happens when the dust settles, and the changes to HC and GM occur. Eli still has the fire, so I doubt he wants to retire. He'll have to sort that out after he's had some time, and the bitter taste this has created subsides. I'm sure if the new HC and GM came to him and told him he is the guy they want leading the O, it would be a big first step.
But lets see what happens when the dust settles, and the changes to HC and GM occur. Eli still has the fire, so I doubt he wants to retire. He'll have to sort that out after he's had some time, and the bitter taste this has created subsides. I'm sure if the new HC and GM came to him and told him he is the guy they want leading the O, it would be a big first step.
isn't going to retire. He's a competitor and he's got some ballin left.
Doesn't want to relocate? His brother did and he had a stronger resume.
Relocating might be in his best interest.
Peyton was chasing another ring. Not that that's a bad thing.
Not sure it's the same situation for Eli. He already has two, and he didn't have to overcome any stigma, ridiculous though it might be in Peyton's case, that he didn't play well in the one that he won.
Again, no new GM or HC is going to want to deal with this Eli situation. It has to come to a head this offseason. Just needed to be communicated and handled with more class.
The bottom line is that he did restructure his contract. And he did lose a decent chunk of change tax-wise by getting the money as a bonus vs over the course of the season...
Just sayin’...
The course of the season, over 17 weeks, , and thus all 17 game checks still all occur within one calendar year, thus resulting the same amount of taxes being due 04/15 the following years. But Eli got to collect all these money in March, instead of end of December. Correct?
Bottom line: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli has not taken any action, or inaction, that does not has his own best interest as #1. Often time that also aligned with the team's best interest and gave us the fans great delight, but don't confuse his priority.
With certainty as if you know Eli personally when discussing what definitely not happen.
There are scenarios where he returns to the Giants and they are legitimate.
Very few rifts can t be patched over with time and the correct words.
Time and correct words aren't going to fix this. Everyone brings up the cliche that it is a business. And Eli learned this week that there is no loyalty. So if the Giants want to retain him, it will likely entail a financial apology and financial commitment where he is not on a year to year option.
Time and correct words aren't going to fix this. Everyone brings up the cliche that it is a business. And Eli learned this week that there is no loyalty. So if the Giants want to retain him, it will likely entail a financial apology and financial commitment where he is not on a year to year option.
Was it great loyalty that that Giants has made Eli the second in career earning in the history of the NFL, primarily because what he had been paid in the last 5 years?
No if but or about it. The answer is either yes it was, or no it was t.
Time and correct words aren't going to fix this. Everyone brings up the cliche that it is a business. And Eli learned this week that there is no loyalty. So if the Giants want to retain him, it will likely entail a financial apology and financial commitment where he is not on a year to year option.
Was it great loyalty that that Giants has made Eli the second in career earning in the history of the NFL, primarily because what he had been paid in the last 5 years?
No if but or about it. The answer is either yes it was, or no it was t.
What does his total earnings have anything to do with "loyalty". The Giants retained him based on current market conditions. If the Giants didn't extend him, he would have signed with another team for the current market conditions. So to answer you question, No. No it wasn't "great loyalty" that made the Giants pay Eli current market value.
What does his total earnings have anything to do with "loyalty". The Giants retained him based on current market conditions. If the Giants didn't extend him, he would have signed with another team for the current market conditions. So to answer you question, No. No it wasn't "great loyalty" that made the Giants pay Eli current market value.
And what does asking a very mediocre QB to yield 2nd half playing time to others have to do with loyalty? What do you get offended about?
He was teaching him how to get his tray, grab his food, a drink and then put a napkin and silverware on it before picking out a seat.
Webb was later interviewed and told the media that it was the most attention he has gotten from the team/coaches since he arrived last May...
1. the Giants may approach him about his contract.....it can be restructured, for a more team friendly cap....
2. The draft is a crap shoot.....the Giants have their own in house problems....will there be a new GM? New HC? And if there is both, what if the guy they covet, if it is a qb, is gone after the first two picks? Would they still want Eli? However, that decision has to be made long before the draft, before that 5M, kicks in...that's where #1, comes into play....
3. But even Eli has to wonder, is there a market out there for him? Jax and Denver keep coming up, but they are no guarantee.....and how much would he want? He could sign a performance contract, with a low base, but if he reaches personal incentives and team incentives, could still be well paid....big question is, is he willing to work with the Giants in a trade that gives them compensation for him, or will he stick it to them and force them to cut him?
4. If he feels the right team is not out there for him, he could retire.....he needs a viable OL in front of him, that can pass protect and run the ball....and a defense that can hold a lead in the fourth Q....if that kind of team is not out there, then he just may retire.....but I will be surprised if there isn't at least one team out there looking for the brass ring, that thinks that Eli could be the missing piece.....
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
Even if a new coach/GM is conducive to retaining Eli, I don't see Eli returning under center for the Giants unless it is on his terms. He has $32M in cash/bonuses remaining on his contract. The Giants will have to commit to him financially that serves as a financial apology for the manner this past week was handled and that serves as a commitment where it won't happen again. Eli should get that $32M guaranteed.
People here are allowing their emotions to get the best of them and hindering seeing the way things are going to play out.
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after what they just pulled.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
if eli comes back (which I highly doubt) then mcadoo isn't going anywhere because they aren't going through another offensive scheme again for eli at 37
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along with the firing of Reese & McAdoo, I can see a scenario where Eli is under center next year with rookie QB/Webb playing behind him. It is not far fetched, but would depend who is brought in here to coach. This would be my ideal scenario.
if eli comes back (which I highly doubt) then mcadoo isn't going anywhere because they aren't going through another offensive scheme again for eli at 37
McAdoo isn’t coming back micky, I know you’ve been banging that drum. The house is getting cleaned, Mara all but assured that this week.
Eli was more than capable to learn a new offensive system after 2015. That was the mistake which was made.
By the way, Manning did meet with Mara this week. Father asked son how it went.
"You know, Eli is a man of few words," Archie said. "I did text him, 'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:
"'It went well.'"
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after what they just pulled.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Funny, but you forgot this part:
Our hero!!!!! Willing to take his $9 million upfront instead of waiting for it to be paid over the season. And you damn people don't appreciate the sacrifices he's made for this team! - signed, Britt in VA
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In comment 13718490 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13718489 Britt in VA said:
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after what they just pulled.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Funny, but you forgot this part:
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The franchise quarterback still will get all of the $10.75 million, with $9 million of it being paid up front and guaranteed, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.
Our hero!!!!! Willing to take his $9 million upfront instead of waiting for it to be paid over the season. And you damn people don't appreciate the sacrifices he's made for this team! - signed, Britt in VA
The bottom line is that he did restructure his contract. And he did lose a decent chunk of change tax-wise by getting the money as a bonus vs over the course of the season...
Just sayin’...
You don't know that.
I like Eli a lot.....but why do we have to make up lies about him? He didn't sacrifice any money to help the team out - nothing wrong with that - but why resort to lying about it?
Proven wrong. End of story, not worth discussing.
because it is implying that even his father knows he is done as an effective QB
because it is implying that even his father knows he is done as an effective QB
You are totally misreading this. They are floating it to reenforve the no trade clause they are setting up the giants to not get mich in return even if eli agrees to a trade. This is pressure to either cut him or play him until he says his done. They acrewed up, the family is going to make sure they pay yhe piper. Its business but personal and very much on line with what happen with peyton.
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In comment 13718489 Britt in VA said:
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after what they just pulled.
Exactly. He was never willing to it before so why start now?
I know, right?
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The New York Giants had some work to do with their salary cap situation, and general manager Jerry Reese has freed up nearly $7 million of cap space by restructuring Eli Manning's contract.
According to NFL Players Association records, Manning's base salary is now $1.75 million, down from $10.75 million. The Giants, who were at $9 million over the cap at one point last month, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, created approximately $6.75 million in cap space with the Manning move, multiple media reports said.
Eli Manning restructures contract March 8th, 2012 - ( New Window )
Important to recall that this transaction doesn't mean Eli took less money. They just pushed it further down the line. Usually when this is done it also creates more guaranteed money. So he wasn't ringing the salvation army bell here.
THIS ^
Doesn't want to relocate? His brother did and he had a stronger resume.
Relocating might be in his best interest.
That's why burning this bridge now made no sense.
Doesn't want to relocate? His brother did and he had a stronger resume.
Relocating might be in his best interest.
It's not about resume. He's rooted in the area. We don't know him personally, but all that you hear is that he values bein in NJ long term.
Doesn't want to relocate? His brother did and he had a stronger resume.
Relocating might be in his best interest.
Peyton was chasing another ring. Not that that's a bad thing.
Not sure it's the same situation for Eli. He already has two, and he didn't have to overcome any stigma, ridiculous though it might be in Peyton's case, that he didn't play well in the one that he won.
There are scenarios where he returns to the Giants and they are legitimate.
Very few rifts can t be patched over with time and the correct words.
The bottom line is that he did restructure his contract. And he did lose a decent chunk of change tax-wise by getting the money as a bonus vs over the course of the season...
Just sayin’...
The course of the season, over 17 weeks, , and thus all 17 game checks still all occur within one calendar year, thus resulting the same amount of taxes being due 04/15 the following years. But Eli got to collect all these money in March, instead of end of December. Correct?
Bottom line: starting from forcing a trade on his first day in the NFL, Eli has not taken any action, or inaction, that does not has his own best interest as #1. Often time that also aligned with the team's best interest and gave us the fans great delight, but don't confuse his priority.
There are scenarios where he returns to the Giants and they are legitimate.
Very few rifts can t be patched over with time and the correct words.
Time and correct words aren't going to fix this. Everyone brings up the cliche that it is a business. And Eli learned this week that there is no loyalty. So if the Giants want to retain him, it will likely entail a financial apology and financial commitment where he is not on a year to year option.
Was it great loyalty that that Giants has made Eli the second in career earning in the history of the NFL, primarily because what he had been paid in the last 5 years?
No if but or about it. The answer is either yes it was, or no it was t.
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Time and correct words aren't going to fix this. Everyone brings up the cliche that it is a business. And Eli learned this week that there is no loyalty. So if the Giants want to retain him, it will likely entail a financial apology and financial commitment where he is not on a year to year option.
Was it great loyalty that that Giants has made Eli the second in career earning in the history of the NFL, primarily because what he had been paid in the last 5 years?
No if but or about it. The answer is either yes it was, or no it was t.
What does his total earnings have anything to do with "loyalty". The Giants retained him based on current market conditions. If the Giants didn't extend him, he would have signed with another team for the current market conditions. So to answer you question, No. No it wasn't "great loyalty" that made the Giants pay Eli current market value.
What does his total earnings have anything to do with "loyalty". The Giants retained him based on current market conditions. If the Giants didn't extend him, he would have signed with another team for the current market conditions. So to answer you question, No. No it wasn't "great loyalty" that made the Giants pay Eli current market value.
And what does asking a very mediocre QB to yield 2nd half playing time to others have to do with loyalty? What do you get offended about?