playoffs followed by a really bad season. It's up to them. You fire a coach after two seasons - have to wonder how the decision was made to hire him in the first place.
Not sure I'd fire him but not my call.
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poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.
In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.
McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.
The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.
It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.
Also, maybe the fact that Webb has not received any reps since Mara first raised the possibility of working him in, depending on game situations, up to and including this week. And the plan McAdoo presented, splitting the game ala pre-season does not exactly demonstrate a commitment to winning.
He is. Look up his comments on Ted Marchibroda's passing. Look at the tears in his eyes when he was talking about coaching the 80's Giant teams, walking through his old offices. Ask him about Jim Brown and Paul Brown. He nearly broke down saying goodbye to Ted Bruschi in 2009. Look at his commments about Vince Wilfork when that player left for the Texans:
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Few players reached or will ever reach the special level of Vince Wilfork. He is a great champion and one of the classiest people I have ever been around – just a kind, genuine and giving person who was all about our team, football, winning and bringing joy to others. There may have never been anyone at his position with as much strength, toughness, intelligence, instinctiveness and athleticism. He is the best defensive linemen I ever coached, an all-time great Patriot whose place on our team will be missed but whose remarkable career as a Patriot will be remembered forever.
Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.
What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.
There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.
He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.
Dude, you definitely need to post more often. Big ups to anyone who brings the Bard to BBI! Not sure I believe Mara’s this smart, but I like way you think!
+1
I fucking loved that!
How bout them Cowboys, they've got nothing on us NOW, we can sleaze with the best of them. Probably all our draft picks will start the season with four game suspensions.
He is. Look up his comments on Ted Marchibroda's passing. Look at the tears in his eyes when he was talking about coaching the 80's Giant teams, walking through his old offices. Ask him about Jim Brown and Paul Brown. He nearly broke down saying goodbye to Ted Bruschi in 2009. Look at his commments about Vince Wilfork when that player left for the Texans:
Quote:
Few players reached or will ever reach the special level of Vince Wilfork. He is a great champion and one of the classiest people I have ever been around – just a kind, genuine and giving person who was all about our team, football, winning and bringing joy to others. There may have never been anyone at his position with as much strength, toughness, intelligence, instinctiveness and athleticism. He is the best defensive linemen I ever coached, an all-time great Patriot whose place on our team will be missed but whose remarkable career as a Patriot will be remembered forever.
Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.
What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.
There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.
He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.
I'm not implying that he isn't emotional. I'm saying he doesn't allow it to inform his football decisions.
I'm going to repeat what I said on the Archie Manning thread: Â
And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.
That's something you learn as you get experience coaching. Coughlin did the same shit. He reflected on that when the NFL network did a football life.
1) The Raiders blow out the Giants, Geno is bad, the offense is the same? Probably McAdoo fired.
2) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Giants still lose? McAdoo could still be fired for fucking this up so badly.
3) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Gians win? Probably McAdoo lives to coach another week.
What's interesting to me is that Mara seems to have wanted one thing, McAdoo did something else that Mara didn't want. I've gotten in trouble at work for doing something my boss didn't want me to do. And my mistake didn't cause problems for the entire organization.
Makes it all the more infuriating that we're going through with this bullshit today. McAdoo's parting gift is going to be most of the most embarrassing weeks this entire franchise has ever seen.
for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:
"'It went well.'"
I believe that speaks volumes. VOLUMES.
In what way other that what you hope it does? It might very well mean exactly what you hope, but there is absolutely nothing in that quote that indicates it.
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
RE: RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping Â
for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
RE: Why tomorrow? Why didn't this happen last week? Â
for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.
I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.
Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok
Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping Â
for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.
I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.
Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok
Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading
I'm certain that it's well known that George Young would NOT have hired Belichick, and favored Handley over anyone else on Parcells' staff. And I don't think that's especially private knowledge.
And I'm sorry for taking the time to use the "preview" button and give a crap about the words that I write. You should try it some time. It's a great feature. Are all of your typos your phone's fault? Maybe get a new phone? Like one that won't autocorrect "have" to "habe" and insert random line breaks?
Mara needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Personnel, particularly draft issues, aside. The biggest mistake was ignoring Gilbride when he said they needed to retool OLine. Offense wasn't broken, they had an aging OLine.
They bring in an west coast offense coordinator for a QB who is clearly not a WC QB. And, he has proven successful in non west coast offenses and is in his mid 30s.
Eli being a good, no make that great soldier, tries to make the transition.
Notwithstanding all that, if he had decent OLine where they could generate some semblance of a running game and predict to a reasonable level - they'd have a shot.
Wow....great move Ben. The 2-9 Giants almost beat the 5-6 Raiders with Geno Smith at the helm.....what went wrong? Can’t wait to hear you say “it’s my responsibility to do everything I can to help us win games”. Can’t wait to hear your bullshit line, “we didn’t play complimentary football”. You suck McAdoo and so does anyone else that had anything to do with sitting Eli. Hope you get fired tomorrow you dope.
John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.
In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.
McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.
The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.
It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.
Or that Reese took Mara's message and him and McAdoo decided to use Geno as a last-ditch attempt to save their jobs. They stupidly used the idea of Webb playing as cover but the idiots did not even have him remotely ready to play knowing that means Geno gets his chance to save them
Why on earth did the owners promote to HC an individual who explicitly promised Joe Montana-type plays (screens, laterals and other short passes) in a ‘West Coast’ scheme when their (beloved) QB can only throw long balls? Eli has more difficulty with short passes than most other QBs; he’s not good throwing these passes. His strength is precisely what Reese has disabled by giving him no time (by mediocre OL selections and non selections) and what McAdoo promised not to use. This is organization-wide dysfunction at every level: ownership, GM, and HC.
John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
You're learning. Been sticking his nose in since 2013
John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
You're learning. Been sticking his nose in since 2013
The Mara family has never been the best in making HC decisions (e.g, letting Landry, Lombardi, and Belichick walk). Finding good FO talent is hard work. So long as people keep paying and watching, team performance and quality are not so important. It’s about profit, and ownership leases space and pays salaries for very nice profits. I would bet that Snyder has made more money as owner of the Skins than all the prior owners combined.
Is and has been the problem for years in the wide open deep offense his numbers were middle of the pack. We were always teased about what could be but never materialized. In the west coast his percentage went up but unless Cruz/OBJ caught one and ran thirty or more yards it was a flat offense. Now due to lack of talent and inability to complete a drive which requires eight or more plays this offense breakdowns consistently. Let’s not kid ourselves we saw the same thing even when our best players were healthy. I don’t expect Eli to be perfect but the Eli we have seen for years is just well below average.
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Is and has been the problem for years in the wide open deep offense his numbers were middle of the pack. We were always teased about what could be but never materialized. In the west coast his percentage went up but unless Cruz/OBJ caught one and ran thirty or more yards it was a flat offense. Now due to lack of talent and inability to complete a drive which requires eight or more plays this offense breakdowns consistently. Let’s not kid ourselves we saw the same thing even when our best players were healthy. I don’t expect Eli to be perfect but the Eli we have seen for years is just well below average.
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Dragon - nope. In the WCO offense we ran in 2014 and 2015, we had a balanced, well oiled offense with Eli putting up outstanding numbers. When McAdoo became HC, his offense changed and still hasn't adjusted. I don't know if 2014-15 had Cpoughlin's influence, McAdoo started coaching as a castrated man, or what, but this is not the same offense. Under Gilbride, they had an offense that was in the top 1/3 of the league consistently when they had an OL.
what good is it going to do to fire him with 4 games left.
Both him and Reese should be out the door right after the season ends, no reason to wait around for a couple weeks,
John Mara....Can they fire the owner too, it was HIS idea
for the other QB's to play, McAdoo (love him or hate him),
was carrying out the marching orders....It wasn't handled smoothly, but hey he is a young coach, new at this stuff, not very smooth, we get it.
I said earlier this season, it will be an ugly divorce,
was made a little uglier than it should have been. Just keep in mind, who initiated it, not backing Mac here at all.
This season has shown he is in over his head as a HC, was a bad hire by the GM and owner.
He was young and bright, they were afraid to lose him to another organization, if you recall the Eagles interviewed him as well as the Giants....
That was a big reason he got the HC position here.
Is and has been the problem for years in the wide open deep offense his numbers were middle of the pack. We were always teased about what could be but never materialized. In the west coast his percentage went up but unless Cruz/OBJ caught one and ran thirty or more yards it was a flat offense. Now due to lack of talent and inability to complete a drive which requires eight or more plays this offense breakdowns consistently. Let’s not kid ourselves we saw the same thing even when our best players were healthy. I don’t expect Eli to be perfect but the Eli we have seen for years is just well below average.
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Tere's no data to support this and there is no control. That period of downturn you talk about, even though his numbers a couple years ago upticked, coincided exactly with a downward spiral of offensive talent at the offensive line, running back, and wide receiver (other than OBJ) positions. There's no control comparing Eli with an average to above-average supporting cast or even a putatively "better" QB with the supporting cast that ELi had.
Not saying your wrong; only saying that it's speculation with no supporting evidence. In reality, there's no way to know if it's Eli or if it's everything else. Yesterday's performance would suggest that it's mostly everything else because the numbers at QB were virtually the same.
Not sure I'd fire him but not my call.
Now, let's not be vulgar. "Good-Bye Bennie" works for me.
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poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.
In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.
McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.
The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.
It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.
Also, maybe the fact that Webb has not received any reps since Mara first raised the possibility of working him in, depending on game situations, up to and including this week. And the plan McAdoo presented, splitting the game ala pre-season does not exactly demonstrate a commitment to winning.
Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.
What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.
There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.
He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.
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In comment 13718875 JohnF said:
Dude, you definitely need to post more often. Big ups to anyone who brings the Bard to BBI! Not sure I believe Mara’s this smart, but I like way you think!
+1
I fucking loved that!
How bout them Cowboys, they've got nothing on us NOW, we can sleaze with the best of them. Probably all our draft picks will start the season with four game suspensions.
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Few players reached or will ever reach the special level of Vince Wilfork. He is a great champion and one of the classiest people I have ever been around – just a kind, genuine and giving person who was all about our team, football, winning and bringing joy to others. There may have never been anyone at his position with as much strength, toughness, intelligence, instinctiveness and athleticism. He is the best defensive linemen I ever coached, an all-time great Patriot whose place on our team will be missed but whose remarkable career as a Patriot will be remembered forever.
Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.
What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.
There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.
He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.
I'm not implying that he isn't emotional. I'm saying he doesn't allow it to inform his football decisions.
'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:
"'It went well.'"
I believe that speaks volumes. VOLUMES.
That's something you learn as you get experience coaching. Coughlin did the same shit. He reflected on that when the NFL network did a football life.
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2) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Giants still lose? McAdoo could still be fired for fucking this up so badly.
3) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Gians win? Probably McAdoo lives to coach another week.
What's interesting to me is that Mara seems to have wanted one thing, McAdoo did something else that Mara didn't want. I've gotten in trouble at work for doing something my boss didn't want me to do. And my mistake didn't cause problems for the entire organization.
Good god no!!!
Apologize to Eli and make him the starter and instill some pride in the team.
exactly, if Mara is giving into fan pressure, this is the thing he's going to do of all things?
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
You're joking right? McAdoo is absolutely to blame as well. They're all a joke.
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'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:
"'It went well.'"
I believe that speaks volumes. VOLUMES.
In what way other that what you hope it does? It might very well mean exactly what you hope, but there is absolutely nothing in that quote that indicates it.
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
What's an intern HC?
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.
I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.
Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok
Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.
I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!
The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.
Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.
I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.
Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok
Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading
I'm certain that it's well known that George Young would NOT have hired Belichick, and favored Handley over anyone else on Parcells' staff. And I don't think that's especially private knowledge.
And I'm sorry for taking the time to use the "preview" button and give a crap about the words that I write. You should try it some time. It's a great feature. Are all of your typos your phone's fault? Maybe get a new phone? Like one that won't autocorrect "have" to "habe" and insert random line breaks?
Just let that one marinate for yourself for a minute. coorindatoe. That's not even close to a word.
You're not even trying to create words. But your opinion should be taken seriously?
Personnel, particularly draft issues, aside. The biggest mistake was ignoring Gilbride when he said they needed to retool OLine. Offense wasn't broken, they had an aging OLine.
They bring in an west coast offense coordinator for a QB who is clearly not a WC QB. And, he has proven successful in non west coast offenses and is in his mid 30s.
Eli being a good, no make that great soldier, tries to make the transition.
Notwithstanding all that, if he had decent OLine where they could generate some semblance of a running game and predict to a reasonable level - they'd have a shot.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
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poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.
In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.
McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.
The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.
It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.
Or that Reese took Mara's message and him and McAdoo decided to use Geno as a last-ditch attempt to save their jobs. They stupidly used the idea of Webb playing as cover but the idiots did not even have him remotely ready to play knowing that means Geno gets his chance to save them
Why on earth did the owners promote to HC an individual who explicitly promised Joe Montana-type plays (screens, laterals and other short passes) in a ‘West Coast’ scheme when their (beloved) QB can only throw long balls? Eli has more difficulty with short passes than most other QBs; he’s not good throwing these passes. His strength is precisely what Reese has disabled by giving him no time (by mediocre OL selections and non selections) and what McAdoo promised not to use. This is organization-wide dysfunction at every level: ownership, GM, and HC.
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John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
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John Mara is a fucking coward. Of course Mac should be fired, but Reese should be gone already, they should have been shopping for a new GM as well as a new coach when they were 0-5. It makes mores sense to fire the GM in season and get the new one in so he can evaluate the players.
Mara said he was unhappy about how Mac handled the QB change? He wasnt even in the fucking building. What difference would it have made if he directed Mac to wait till next week so that he could talk to arguably the best player in franchise history who always did it the Giants way, with class, more class than Mara has shown of late.
You know, when reading this right now, it just hit me.
We have a bigger problem than McAdoodoo and Reese.
Why is Mara directing the head coach as to who to play and who not to play? When did we get Danny boy Snyder as owner?
You're learning. Been sticking his nose in since 2013
The Mara family has never been the best in making HC decisions (e.g, letting Landry, Lombardi, and Belichick walk). Finding good FO talent is hard work. So long as people keep paying and watching, team performance and quality are not so important. It’s about profit, and ownership leases space and pays salaries for very nice profits. I would bet that Snyder has made more money as owner of the Skins than all the prior owners combined.
R** H*****y.
Well, outside of football,
Isiah Thomas.
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Both him and Reese should be out the door right after the season ends, no reason to wait around for a couple weeks,
John Mara....Can they fire the owner too, it was HIS idea
for the other QB's to play, McAdoo (love him or hate him),
was carrying out the marching orders....It wasn't handled smoothly, but hey he is a young coach, new at this stuff, not very smooth, we get it.
I said earlier this season, it will be an ugly divorce,
was made a little uglier than it should have been. Just keep in mind, who initiated it, not backing Mac here at all.
This season has shown he is in over his head as a HC, was a bad hire by the GM and owner.
He was young and bright, they were afraid to lose him to another organization, if you recall the Eagles interviewed him as well as the Giants....
That was a big reason he got the HC position here.
They need to fire Reese first!
Much is made about practice but however when the coach says I just don’t see enough to keep someone at starting QB, all the world cries foul because that guy is just to nice to be benched. Forget how it was handled it’s a team game in the end he was on the sidelines just like any other benched player would be. The Giants team before Eli Manning and will be here long after he is gone the fact of time passing. I recall when he first got a start man he did not look like a special player at all. He started his career with lots of questions now today many of those questions still stand out unfortunately.
Not saying your wrong; only saying that it's speculation with no supporting evidence. In reality, there's no way to know if it's Eli or if it's everything else. Yesterday's performance would suggest that it's mostly everything else because the numbers at QB were virtually the same.