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nyjuggernaut2 : 12/3/2017 9:18 am
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wow  
giantfan2000 : 12/3/2017 12:15 pm : link
Mara doesn't fire mcadoo because of horrible San Fran performance
but now going to fire him because Mara didn't anticipate the fan backlash of benching Eli --

so classless
The team might just go throught the motions  
gtt350 : 12/3/2017 12:19 pm : link
to get rid of him and we get blown out. Imagine us enjoying a blowout
through  
gtt350 : 12/3/2017 12:20 pm : link
dammit
Seems to me that what this is about is  
idiotsavant : 12/3/2017 12:20 pm : link
Jerry Reese and Ben Macadoo getting together and deciding that they knew better than most of the fans, better than most of the league. That they could see the perfect future and were willing to throw the players and fans under the bus to get there.

Turns out their vision was based in bullshit to begin with.
Wake me when someone says “is” or “will be” instead of “could be”  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2017 12:23 pm : link
Other than that, no one knows anything.
Thanks, trueblueinpw!  
JohnF : 12/3/2017 12:30 pm : link
email me (it's in my profile).
RE: Seems to me that what this is about is  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13718946 idiotsavant said:
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Jerry Reese and Ben Macadoo getting together and deciding that they knew better than most of the fans, better than most of the league. That they could see the perfect future and were willing to throw the players and fans under the bus to get there.

Turns out their vision was based in bullshit to begin with.

Which fans got thrown under the bus?

Signed,
Gatorade Dunksavant
Fire him after the game. Obviously should have been done after SF  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/3/2017 12:40 pm : link
There is no reason to expose mcadoo to the giant fans wrath next week.

Why are we gong to let this drag on. I believe most giant fans respect spans, allow him to be the interim and mara can do what he thinks is right after the season is over.

This insane that its gone on like this.
RE: ...  
Beer Man : 12/3/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13718687 Eric from BBI said:
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Ralph VacchianoþVerified account @RVacchianoSNY
16m16 minutes ago

Ralph Vacchiano Retweeted Ian Rapoport

This is true. The split has been festering for a while over direction of the franchise (and, to an extent, the GM), a source said. It got worse with the Eli Manning mess. Some influential people at the top are furious with how it was handled.
As are we fans
RE: RE: McAdoo's  
montanagiant : 12/3/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13718911 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 13718783 Matt in SGS said:


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poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.

In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.

McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.

The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.



It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.

Or that Reese took Mara's message and him and McAdoo decided to use Geno as a last-ditch attempt to save their jobs. They stupidly used the idea of Webb playing as cover but the idiots did not even have him remotely ready to play knowing that means Geno gets his chance to save them
it's all speculation right?  
Gregorio : 12/3/2017 12:52 pm : link
The headline says he 'could' be fired, and story says it 'might' happen, and refers to an anonymous source. Hard to give credence to this info.
Not sure I follow the threat of "what the stadium will look like"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2017 12:54 pm : link
People are going to come out and protest? A december home game for a bad Giants team?

No they wont. They'll sell off their tickets as they've always done.
RE: RE: The Giants could be dysfunctional  
exiled : 12/3/2017 12:57 pm : link
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In comment 13718875 JohnF said:


Dude, you definitely need to post more often. Big ups to anyone who brings the Bard to BBI! Not sure I believe Mara’s this smart, but I like way you think!


+1

I fucking loved that!
They hired him. They have to deal with him.  
RDJR : 12/3/2017 1:10 pm : link
Not real concerned at this point. We stink, with or without Eli. Just finish the season and begin anew.
Let Spags fill in for a few weeks.  
GiantsUA : 12/3/2017 1:11 pm : link
Jerry needs to be shown the door PDQ as well.
This can't happen fast enough..  
prdave73 : 12/3/2017 1:16 pm : link
Been waiting for this..
11-5  
bc4life : 12/3/2017 1:17 pm : link
playoffs followed by a really bad season. It's up to them. You fire a coach after two seasons - have to wonder how the decision was made to hire him in the first place.

Not sure I'd fire him but not my call.
RE: No, Let Him Go Home For One More vs the Boys  
clatterbuck : 12/3/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13718761 est1986 said:
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So Us Fans Can Have At Him One More Time At Home! Chants of "We Want Eli" and "Fuck You McAdoo" should send him off properly!


Now, let's not be vulgar. "Good-Bye Bennie" works for me.
With no running game  
bc4life : 12/3/2017 1:18 pm : link
and porous O-Line , I'm not sure I'd want Eli back in as starter.
RE: RE: McAdoo's  
clatterbuck : 12/3/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13718911 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 13718783 Matt in SGS said:


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poor communication skills, on par with Handley, is what will finally doom him. As I mentioned after the Eli benching, it's clear McAdoo didn't like Eli or felt he was fitting his offense. Mara obviously relented and wanted to see others at QB. What is Mara's fault is you know that McAdoo is a shitty communicator and blew the discussion with Eli. We've heard hints about how back McAdoo has been all season. From the rebellion by the defense against him, to quotes in the press about "that's not how he's been raised" in being warm and fuzzy with the press or players.

In looking back at what will hopefully be his final game as a head coach, most NFL head coaches are pretty much insane. But McAdoo looks like a football lifer who isn't fit to be an NFL head coach. "The smartest man in the room" as Reese called him. When he showed up as the head coach of the NY Football Giants in his intro conference, we all kind of laughed at him because he came in a suit that didn't fit. But in hindsight, we are seeing a guy who looks like he might well be barely functional in day to day life outside of football. And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.

McAdoo blew the conversation with Eli because he was incapable of doing it the right way. Mara and Tisch know this guys drill. It's almost as if they needed HR in the room to talk to Eli about that move, which is what would have happened in a corporate setting. But they let this idiot handle it.

The Tisch's and Mara's are aware of what MetLife will look like next week with Dallas in town. They have almost no choice but to leave this guy in Oakland tonight and get some semblance of the fans back on their side.



It's also possible McAdoo deliberately misrepresented Mara's direction on how to get the other QBs some work and that may be why he gets canned now instead of after the season.


Also, maybe the fact that Webb has not received any reps since Mara first raised the possibility of working him in, depending on game situations, up to and including this week. And the plan McAdoo presented, splitting the game ala pre-season does not exactly demonstrate a commitment to winning.
Don't think Bill Belichick isn't emotional  
JohnF : 12/3/2017 1:27 pm : link
He is. Look up his comments on Ted Marchibroda's passing. Look at the tears in his eyes when he was talking about coaching the 80's Giant teams, walking through his old offices. Ask him about Jim Brown and Paul Brown. He nearly broke down saying goodbye to Ted Bruschi in 2009. Look at his commments about Vince Wilfork when that player left for the Texans:

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Few players reached or will ever reach the special level of Vince Wilfork. He is a great champion and one of the classiest people I have ever been around – just a kind, genuine and giving person who was all about our team, football, winning and bringing joy to others. There may have never been anyone at his position with as much strength, toughness, intelligence, instinctiveness and athleticism. He is the best defensive linemen I ever coached, an all-time great Patriot whose place on our team will be missed but whose remarkable career as a Patriot will be remembered forever.


Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.

What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.

There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.

He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.
RE: RE: RE: The Giants could be dysfunctional  
DelZotto : 12/3/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13719045 exiled said:
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In comment 13718875 JohnF said:


Dude, you definitely need to post more often. Big ups to anyone who brings the Bard to BBI! Not sure I believe Mara’s this smart, but I like way you think!



+1

I fucking loved that!


How bout them Cowboys, they've got nothing on us NOW, we can sleaze with the best of them. Probably all our draft picks will start the season with four game suspensions.
RE: Don't think Bill Belichick isn't emotional  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13719132 JohnF said:
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He is. Look up his comments on Ted Marchibroda's passing. Look at the tears in his eyes when he was talking about coaching the 80's Giant teams, walking through his old offices. Ask him about Jim Brown and Paul Brown. He nearly broke down saying goodbye to Ted Bruschi in 2009. Look at his commments about Vince Wilfork when that player left for the Texans:



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Few players reached or will ever reach the special level of Vince Wilfork. He is a great champion and one of the classiest people I have ever been around – just a kind, genuine and giving person who was all about our team, football, winning and bringing joy to others. There may have never been anyone at his position with as much strength, toughness, intelligence, instinctiveness and athleticism. He is the best defensive linemen I ever coached, an all-time great Patriot whose place on our team will be missed but whose remarkable career as a Patriot will be remembered forever.



Great Football coaches have great passion. You can't inspire players without that passion, that emotion. They know the history of their teams, the game.

What you see at press conferences isn't the man. Ask his current and former players about him.

There's no comparison to McAdoo, none. McAdoo is an X's and O's guy, he does not command respect, nor has he earned it. He cannot lead people. He's a puppet, pure and simple, and the players sense AND know it. You don't respect a puppet.

He has all the bad attributes of Ray Handley without any of the good ones. The fact that they replaced a great Giant, and decent man in Tom Coughlin with this excuse of a puppet says volumes about this front office.


I'm not implying that he isn't emotional. I'm saying he doesn't allow it to inform his football decisions.
I'm going to repeat what I said on the Archie Manning thread:  
baadbill : 12/3/2017 1:36 pm : link
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'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:

"'It went well.'"


I believe that speaks volumes. VOLUMES.
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AnishPatel : 12/3/2017 1:43 pm : link
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And he's acting like Belichick in the way he handles his team and press. The problem is...he's not Belichick. You need rings on your fingers to do that shit. Otherwise, you look like a hard ass clueless asshole. No different than what we saw from Schiano. Or Mangini. Or countless others who saw how Belichick acted, and did the same when they had no credentials to do so.


That's something you learn as you get experience coaching. Coughlin did the same shit. He reflected on that when the NFL network did a football life.
IMO, You coach  
bc4life : 12/3/2017 1:47 pm : link
and manage based on who you are - the real you is hard to hide, especially in a high pressure environment
Walk mother fucker !  
Bluesbreaker : 12/3/2017 1:50 pm : link
I wouldn’t have let him on the plane after the SF loss
Steve L : 11:24 am : link : reply
Fly commercial ya bitch.
Please let it happen  
eli4life : 12/3/2017 2:00 pm : link
And promote quin so we know his nine lives are up as well
Hey look who wants to Coach next year  
jeff57 : 12/3/2017 2:29 pm : link
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What happens if ...  
81_Great_Dane : 12/3/2017 2:51 pm : link
1) The Raiders blow out the Giants, Geno is bad, the offense is the same? Probably McAdoo fired.

2) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Giants still lose? McAdoo could still be fired for fucking this up so badly.

3) Geno looks good, the offense is better, the Gians win? Probably McAdoo lives to coach another week.

What's interesting to me is that Mara seems to have wanted one thing, McAdoo did something else that Mara didn't want. I've gotten in trouble at work for doing something my boss didn't want me to do. And my mistake didn't cause problems for the entire organization.


RE: Hey look who wants to Coach next year  
eli4life : 12/3/2017 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13719245 jeff57 said:
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Good god no!!!
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arcarsenal : 12/3/2017 3:16 pm : link
Makes it all the more infuriating that we're going through with this bullshit today. McAdoo's parting gift is going to be most of the most embarrassing weeks this entire franchise has ever seen.
If you fire McAdoo in promote Spags/Sullivan  
larryflower37 : 12/3/2017 3:17 pm : link
Can he make it right the last 4 weeks?
Apologize to Eli and make him the starter and instill some pride in the team.
It’d be satisfying  
exiled : 12/3/2017 3:20 pm : link
But ultimately not the best move for the organization.
MY 11 year old Grandson...  
Ed A. : 12/3/2017 3:25 pm : link
calls him McAdon't. LOL.
RE: Why tomorrow? Why didn't this happen last week?  
SHO'NUFF : 12/3/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13718644 yankeeslover said:
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When it wasn't too late to have intern hc insert Eli back?


exactly, if Mara is giving into fan pressure, this is the thing he's going to do of all things?
Or  
old man : 12/3/2017 4:21 pm : link
7:30 PM Eastern Time today.
First TC now McAdoo  
TMS : 12/3/2017 4:42 pm : link
when the real problem is the REESE crew and the scouting staff along with the Maras interference.
RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/3/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13718572 GiantBlue said:
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.

I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!


The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.

Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base
RE: First TC now McAdoo  
B in ALB : 12/3/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13719652 TMS said:
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when the real problem is the REESE crew and the scouting staff along with the Maras interference.


You're joking right? McAdoo is absolutely to blame as well. They're all a joke.
RE: I'm going to repeat what I said on the Archie Manning thread:  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13719152 baadbill said:
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'Did you meet with Mr. Mara?' I got back a three-word text:

"'It went well.'"




I believe that speaks volumes. VOLUMES.

In what way other that what you hope it does? It might very well mean exactly what you hope, but there is absolutely nothing in that quote that indicates it.
RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13719662 LauderdaleMatty said:
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.

I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!



The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.

Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base

Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?
RE: RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13719861 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13718572 GiantBlue said:


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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.

I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!



The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.

Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base


Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?

And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.
RE: Why tomorrow? Why didn't this happen last week?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13718644 yankeeslover said:
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When it wasn't too late to have intern hc insert Eli back?

What's an intern HC?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/3/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13719869 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13719662 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 13718572 GiantBlue said:


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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.

I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!



The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.

Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base


Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?


And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.


Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.

I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.

Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok

Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I love the Giants and have been a fan since 1965....but I am hoping  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13719995 LauderdaleMatty said:
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for a statement loss to Oakland, SF beats Chicago and we move up to #2 pick.....and McAdoo gets tossed out on his ass tomorrow morning at the facility.

I thought Handley was the worst coach the Giants would have during my lifetime....and Reeves was close....but McAdoo takes the cake. Goodbye and Good Riddance!



The sad and big difference is that Handley would Never have been hired had not Parcells abruptly retired well Into the offseason.

Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara. Huge blind spot w this guy by ownership. If Mara actually nuts up fires Him he may win some
Respect back From the fan base


Oh, this will be a fun Giants history test for our resident syntax/spelling blunder poster... who would have been hired instead of Handley?


And Mara was hand chosen twice by Mara? Nice work.



Woops, typing on my phone and I fucked up. Sorry to get your estrogen laden body in a tizzy. Cramping? Mara obviously chose McAdoo first as
OC and then as HC. So sorry. Hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me during this his holiday season.

I'm not sure whom the Giants would have hired if Parcells had just retired at the end of The season.

Do you really think that they wouldn't have interview Bill B? No one else than Ray Handley who wasn't even a coorindatoe could have possibly been hired Yeah. Ok

Hope you and your family habe a wonderful holiday season. You are gem. What would this place do without your proofreading

I'm certain that it's well known that George Young would NOT have hired Belichick, and favored Handley over anyone else on Parcells' staff. And I don't think that's especially private knowledge.

And I'm sorry for taking the time to use the "preview" button and give a crap about the words that I write. You should try it some time. It's a great feature. Are all of your typos your phone's fault? Maybe get a new phone? Like one that won't autocorrect "have" to "habe" and insert random line breaks?
coorindatoe.  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2017 6:10 pm : link
coorindatoe.

Just let that one marinate for yourself for a minute. coorindatoe. That's not even close to a word.

You're not even trying to create words. But your opinion should be taken seriously?
Matty becoming unhinged is part for the course.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2017 7:19 pm : link
Must be any game day thread.
I'd fire Reese first and  
bc4life : 12/3/2017 7:34 pm : link
Mara needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Personnel, particularly draft issues, aside. The biggest mistake was ignoring Gilbride when he said they needed to retool OLine. Offense wasn't broken, they had an aging OLine.

They bring in an west coast offense coordinator for a QB who is clearly not a WC QB. And, he has proven successful in non west coast offenses and is in his mid 30s.

Eli being a good, no make that great soldier, tries to make the transition.

Notwithstanding all that, if he had decent OLine where they could generate some semblance of a running game and predict to a reasonable level - they'd have a shot.
This sounds way too good to be true  
nicky43 : 12/3/2017 7:36 pm : link
But it couldn't happen soon enough. I cannot support a team with McAdoo as HC!
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