I haven't seen anyone giving him a pass, and I doubt the league office will either. I'd expect a 1 game suspension that is then appealed and reduced to a big fine instead
I am dating myself. Back in the 70's you could not give yourself up, and were not considered down unless TOUCHED ... basically touched HARD,
The KC, Oakland feud was so intense, Len Dawson was basically beat down by ... memory foggy, Hendricks ? because he fell to the ground and he wanted to MAKE sure he was called down. Believe one of the NFL films episodes has a clip of it.
Not that Gronk's action or another action erases the need to address. But with players making so much money hard to make a dent.
I was going to start a new thread on both this and Brady showing up McDaniels on the sideline - because, as we all know, the Patriots are the "model" franchise.
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
I’ve met Harrison before. Used to work at a golf store in NYC and he came in. We were all shooting the shit with him, until my boss and I re enacted the Tyree catch. His reaction was (while laughing):
I was going to start a new thread on both this and Brady showing up McDaniels on the sideline - because, as we all know, the Patriots are the "model" franchise.
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
Do you think they have a poster on their respective message board asking for them to be dumped for a bunch of Ed Egans and draft choices?
I was going to start a new thread on both this and Brady showing up McDaniels on the sideline - because, as we all know, the Patriots are the "model" franchise.
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
Do you think they have a poster on their respective message board asking for them to be dumped for a bunch of Ed Egans and draft choices?
excuse for what he did.
The guy was on the ground.
The guy was lying down partially out of bounds.
The guy was touched down anyway right in front of him, he could not have not seen it.
The guy was down quite a while, and even if he was totally in bounds he was down long enough to have given a logical player( the dig speaks for itself) a sense that the guy gave himself up...especially when players are walking toward respective sidelines.
THEN he dives into a guy, whose is on the ground and on his stomach, helmet first, into the back of the guys head.
Gee! What could possibly be wrong in all that?
What!! You can't hold me! I'M the Great Gronk of the even greater NE Patriots!!!
Needs an opponent to give him a tracheotomy! The league will do shit.
earholed Norman, it came in a contest where he was bodyslammed the 2nd play of the game without a flag, was slapped in the helmet at least 4-5 times without a call and the refs let the two of them harass each other all game long and all I heard on BBI was any response to that was unacceptable, TC has lost control and the league should suspend him a few games.
Now, when Gronk does basically the same thing out of frustration for one play where a hold isn't called, you actually have some people saying he shouldn't be suspended and that it is just an old school move.
maybe two. hit was only designed to inflict punishment, injury - had nothing to do with playing game of football. you can't have new rules for concussion protocols and let that shit slide.
No question the hit was the cheapest of cheap shots. The fucking meathead hit the guy half way out of bounds while he was laying facedown on the ground. Does it get any cheaper than hitting a guy in the back while he’s laying on the ground? And by the way, the Pats were up by 20 with about 5 minutes left in the game. Fucking dirty meathead. What a scumbag.
The other guy was on the ground and the play was over. So, yeah. I'm not defending Beckham. He was totally wrong. But that was also part of an ongoing scuffle and Norman was at least as at fault as OBJ in the build up. This was just Gronk being mad about being held in a game where they are way ahead.
The other guy was on the ground and the play was over. So, yeah. I'm not defending Beckham. He was totally wrong. But that was also part of an ongoing scuffle and Norman was at least as at fault as OBJ in the build up. This was just Gronk being mad about being held in a game where they are way ahead.
I don't see a difference, but whatever, I'm not going to argue it. Both players deserve a suspension for their actions IMO. Beckham was, we'll see if Gronk is. I think he will be.
will most likely get suspended, and that will be it.
If fairly certain that BB won't catch flack for not suspending him the remainder of the season, which is what some Giant fans held at the feet of TC.
In fact, they ripped him for not pulling Beckham from the game too.
Just another example of how hypocritical the board is outside of the team.
FWIW, which may be nothing, Belichick apologized to McDermott for the play saying it was a bullshit move by Gronk.
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“I understand. It was (expletive). I’m sorry. I apologize,” Belichick said to McDermott.
Plus, it's a little different, Gronk was removed from the field after the play b/c it was a turnover. I'm also not sure Gronk saw the field again, but it was not a close game and nearing the end when this happened so who knows if it would have been different if it was.
There are some people (writers on Bleacher report, etc. that have called for Gronk to be suspended the rest of the season). A game is probably right, like it was with Beckham IMO.
He lined up a guy and took a 10+ yard run and launched head first Into his helmet. He targeted him. And he landed the shot to the head. It wasnt an isolated incident during this game (or others). He also threw punches earlier in the game. He had several plays that hurt the team. He was more concerned with fighting Norman. This is why people thought he should have been displined during and after the game.
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
He lined up a guy and took a 10+ yard run and launched head first Into his helmet. He targeted him. And he landed the shot to the head. It wasnt an isolated incident during this game (or others). He also threw punches earlier in the game. He had several plays that hurt the team. He was more concerned with fighting Norman. This is why people thought he should have been displined during and after the game.
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
Beckham deserved more heat.
Alright, opinions can vary on this, i guess. They both were really bad.
He lined up a guy and took a 10+ yard run and launched head first Into his helmet. He targeted him. And he landed the shot to the head. It wasnt an isolated incident during this game (or others). He also threw punches earlier in the game. He had several plays that hurt the team. He was more concerned with fighting Norman. This is why people thought he should have been displined during and after the game.
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
Beckham deserved more heat.
I think you are mostly right. Personally, I wouldn't suspend Gronk. But the league is so anti-Pats that they are salivating to do so...
On the other hand, White is in concussion protocol. So that could be a reason to suspend.
Beckham was worse
KWALL2 : 11:07 am : link : reply
He lined up a guy and took a 10+ yard run and launched head first Into his helmet. He targeted him. And he landed the shot to the head
As opposed to Gronk seeing a player face down on the turf, targeting him, taking a running start and flying into the guy with his body weight and a helmet-to-helmet hit that gave the guy a concussion?
Sort of splitting hairs to say one is worse than the other.
will most likely get suspended, and that will be it.
If fairly certain that BB won't catch flack for not suspending him the remainder of the season, which is what some Giant fans held at the feet of TC.
In fact, they ripped him for not pulling Beckham from the game too.
Just another example of how hypocritical the board is outside of the team.
So you're ascribing to "the board" the opinions of "some Giant fans". Makes sense...
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I'd definitely rather be White among those 2 GIFs. Both out of control dbag aggressors held roughly the same intentions, but while both White & Norman could have been concussed, Norman could have had a broken jaw and injured vertebrae.
Gronk'll get a game and it won't matter since New England is once again decidedly atop a division among 3 hapless opposing teams who barely qualify as professional.
Is he appealing the suspension? Because that would be special. Not sure how a player who concussed another player in a manner that had nothing to do with football can not be a national story.
Also, he's been getting away with things that Beckham has never done, for years. Nobody would tolerate any of Gronk's countless sexual references and behavioral nonsense if they came in Beckham-looking wrapping paper.
Is he appealing the suspension? Because that would be special. Not sure how a player who concussed another player in a manner that had nothing to do with football can not be a national story.
Also, he's been getting away with things that Beckham has never done, for years. Nobody would tolerate any of Gronk's countless sexual references and behavioral nonsense if they came in Beckham-looking wrapping paper.
Nice hysterical overreaction and not surprisingly you somehow found a way to get race involved.
Bravo.
Race has zero to do with Gronk's suspension or perception. Zero, and the only reason Beckham get shit from fans who give him shit is b/c his actions impacted his on-field play or were an excuse for it (by fans).
I'm not personally one who has ever said a bad word about Beckham, but those who do it's because he was a playoff no-show, his actions and suspension contributed directly to a loss, and his unwillingness to work with his QB in the off-season has a bad look to it.
What has Gronk done to negatively impact his team on the field, until this incident?
Everything is not about race, even though your white guilt seems to be inclined to make it that way.
If you can't handle the topic of race, why enter the conversation? Â
I'm not hysterical. For some people just the implication of race having a bearing on perception (which it does, and you have to be in denial of the world to think otherwise) is a trigger that makes you hysterical and swings the conversation the opposite extreme.
Does Odell operate and profit off a booze cruise party boat? Does he pull a comedy act and crack sex jokes during post game press conferences? He's a complete clown show, and it stops being cute when someone gets sent to a neurologist because of it.I don't care that he apologized.
I'm not someone that cares about sophmoric bullshit from players, but in Gronk's case, everything he does is taken in stride and everything of the same nature with Beckham is used as an excuse to project major crimes ahead. Nobody thinks Gronk secretly runs the franchise because he doesn't get disciplined, but I have to listen to Francesa and Boomer preach about the dysfunctional Giants for treating it the same way and people eat it up.
Also, I'm not white. I think it's weird that you assumed what race I am.
RE: If you can't handle the topic of race, why enter the conversation? Â
I'm not hysterical. For some people just the implication of race having a bearing on perception (which it does, and you have to be in denial of the world to think otherwise) is a trigger that makes you hysterical and swings the conversation the opposite extreme.
Does Odell operate and profit off a booze cruise party boat? Does he pull a comedy act and crack sex jokes during post game press conferences? He's a complete clown show, and it stops being cute when someone gets sent to a neurologist because of it.I don't care that he apologized.
I'm not someone that cares about sophmoric bullshit from players, but in Gronk's case, everything he does is taken in stride and everything of the same nature with Beckham is used as an excuse to project major crimes ahead. Nobody thinks Gronk secretly runs the franchise because he doesn't get disciplined, but I have to listen to Francesa and Boomer preach about the dysfunctional Giants for treating it the same way and people eat it up.
Also, I'm not white. I think it's weird that you assumed what race I am.
Whatever race you are Gronk gets "a pass" because of his on-field results and his work ethic and his track record.
Ask his coach, who almost always calls him out along with Brady as the examples for his team to follow.
If Beckham showed up in the playoff game, if he didn't on national TV have the whole kicking net episode, if he didn't have multiple on-field altercations do you think he'd be as scrutinized?
I do not.
Saying he is more scrutinized due to his skin color is a cop out.
I can handle the race conversation and I never once in my life said race doesn't ever have a bearing on perception.
In this case IMO it doesn't.
You practically have the black Gronk on the Patriots in Martellus Bennett.
And for the record, again, I have zero issues with Beckham and have never once said even 1 negative word about him, and still don't. I don't think he's a victim here and I do not believe he's being treated differently (even perceived differently) because of his skin color.
Gronk had zero prior history other than one incident at the end of the 2014 Super Bowl when the Seahawks coach imploded and their defense was pissed and started a fight.
That's why he was suspended one game. And he's getting called out for it locally here in the Boston area almost identically to how Beckham was for the Norman incident.
It was brought up, but I didn’t hear anyone go ape shit on him like what occurred with Beckham
Then said he felt bad and would apologize.
Anyone have a gif?
Link - ( New Window )
Hopefully Tommy got him some color by number books for the plane ride hone
The KC, Oakland feud was so intense, Len Dawson was basically beat down by ... memory foggy, Hendricks ? because he fell to the ground and he wanted to MAKE sure he was called down. Believe one of the NFL films episodes has a clip of it.
Not that Gronk's action or another action erases the need to address. But with players making so much money hard to make a dent.
Now include missing a playoff game .... dunno.
There is nothing "old school" about what Gronk did.
It was a cheap shot
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
I’ve met Harrison before. Used to work at a golf store in NYC and he came in. We were all shooting the shit with him, until my boss and I re enacted the Tyree catch. His reaction was (while laughing):
“You guys are cold, bro”
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
Do you think they have a poster on their respective message board asking for them to be dumped for a bunch of Ed Egans and draft choices?
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I was going to start a new thread on both this and Brady showing up McDaniels on the sideline - because, as we all know, the Patriots are the "model" franchise.
One of the most common arguments I see around here is that Beckham wasn't properly "reeled in" by the coaches back when Coughlin was here and they failed to "control" him, etc... and that created a toxic environment, etc. or whatever narratives got created from there.
The reality of the matter is that a lot of star players in this league act out at one point or another. I'd love for every WR to be Larry Fitzgerald - but they aren't.
Gronk took a real shitty liberty on that Bills DB today. AJ Green put Jalen Ramsey in a headlock and threw punches at him. Mike Evans was right in the middle of a brawl. Antonio Brown threw a fucking sideline tantrum.
I don't see any of these teams rushing to dump these guys. In fact, most of them have already been given sizable contracts.
Do you think they have a poster on their respective message board asking for them to be dumped for a bunch of Ed Egans and draft choices?
I'm going to take a wild guess and say... no?
But hey, you never know...
BTW, my bad was not saying gronk was in the right in anyway.
Sorry if my statement indicated otherwise,
Appreciate the clarity.
Holy shit... what was worse..the play or the piece of shit announcer saying "good... good (the dirty hit), he was being held the whole time".
There are only a few things worse in this country than cocky self righteous Pats fans.
Yeah That absolves you. What is he, eleven years old???
Yeah That absolves you. What is he, eleven years old???
I think if he had the emotional capacity of an eleven year old, it would be an improvement. The guy is a fucking moron.
I never absolved Beckham of it either but in that instance the refs let it escalate and couldn’t control the game
You serious, Clark?
The guy was on the ground.
The guy was lying down partially out of bounds.
The guy was touched down anyway right in front of him, he could not have not seen it.
The guy was down quite a while, and even if he was totally in bounds he was down long enough to have given a logical player( the dig speaks for itself) a sense that the guy gave himself up...especially when players are walking toward respective sidelines.
THEN he dives into a guy, whose is on the ground and on his stomach, helmet first, into the back of the guys head.
Gee! What could possibly be wrong in all that?
What!! You can't hold me! I'M the Great Gronk of the even greater NE Patriots!!!
Needs an opponent to give him a tracheotomy! The league will do shit.
Now, when Gronk does basically the same thing out of frustration for one play where a hold isn't called, you actually have some people saying he shouldn't be suspended and that it is just an old school move.
I really don't get the logic here a lot of times.
99% of the rational population is in violent agreement.
Are you serious? I like Beckham, I'm not one of those guys, but cmon, It was the exact same thing both defenseless player head shots.
I don't see a difference, but whatever, I'm not going to argue it. Both players deserve a suspension for their actions IMO. Beckham was, we'll see if Gronk is. I think he will be.
If fairly certain that BB won't catch flack for not suspending him the remainder of the season, which is what some Giant fans held at the feet of TC.
In fact, they ripped him for not pulling Beckham from the game too.
Just another example of how hypocritical the board is outside of the team.
If fairly certain that BB won't catch flack for not suspending him the remainder of the season, which is what some Giant fans held at the feet of TC.
In fact, they ripped him for not pulling Beckham from the game too.
Just another example of how hypocritical the board is outside of the team.
FWIW, which may be nothing, Belichick apologized to McDermott for the play saying it was a bullshit move by Gronk.
Plus, it's a little different, Gronk was removed from the field after the play b/c it was a turnover. I'm also not sure Gronk saw the field again, but it was not a close game and nearing the end when this happened so who knows if it would have been different if it was.
There are some people (writers on Bleacher report, etc. that have called for Gronk to be suspended the rest of the season). A game is probably right, like it was with Beckham IMO.
stop it.
Mike Evans wasn't ejected for this:
and Beckham wasn't ejected for his hit on Norman.
So stop being so sensitive, there is no Patriots favoritism by the referees.
you sound like a child when you suggest it.
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that baffles me and strengthens the notion that the refs throw a blind eye to anything the patriots do.
stop it.
Mike Evans wasn't ejected for this:
and Beckham wasn't ejected for his hit on Norman.
So stop being so sensitive, there is no Patriots favoritism by the referees.
you sound like a child when you suggest it.
shit... i forgot the eyeroll .. lol... i was being sarcastic... massive fail on my part haha
we need an edit button! hahah
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
Beckham deserved more heat.
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
Beckham deserved more heat.
Alright, opinions can vary on this, i guess. They both were really bad.
Gronk took a cheap shot. It was one play. He'll get suspended. But Beckhams act was much worse. That's why there was talk about how the coach handled it.
Beckham deserved more heat.
I think you are mostly right. Personally, I wouldn't suspend Gronk. But the league is so anti-Pats that they are salivating to do so...
On the other hand, White is in concussion protocol. So that could be a reason to suspend.
KWALL2 : 11:07 am : link : reply
He lined up a guy and took a 10+ yard run and launched head first Into his helmet. He targeted him. And he landed the shot to the head
As opposed to Gronk seeing a player face down on the turf, targeting him, taking a running start and flying into the guy with his body weight and a helmet-to-helmet hit that gave the guy a concussion?
Sort of splitting hairs to say one is worse than the other.
If fairly certain that BB won't catch flack for not suspending him the remainder of the season, which is what some Giant fans held at the feet of TC.
In fact, they ripped him for not pulling Beckham from the game too.
Just another example of how hypocritical the board is outside of the team.
So you're ascribing to "the board" the opinions of "some Giant fans". Makes sense...
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I'd definitely rather be White among those 2 GIFs. Both out of control dbag aggressors held roughly the same intentions, but while both White & Norman could have been concussed, Norman could have had a broken jaw and injured vertebrae.
Gronk'll get a game and it won't matter since New England is once again decidedly atop a division among 3 hapless opposing teams who barely qualify as professional.
Is Beckham still somehow a victim here?
Also, he's been getting away with things that Beckham has never done, for years. Nobody would tolerate any of Gronk's countless sexual references and behavioral nonsense if they came in Beckham-looking wrapping paper.
Also, he's been getting away with things that Beckham has never done, for years. Nobody would tolerate any of Gronk's countless sexual references and behavioral nonsense if they came in Beckham-looking wrapping paper.
Nice hysterical overreaction and not surprisingly you somehow found a way to get race involved.
Bravo.
Race has zero to do with Gronk's suspension or perception. Zero, and the only reason Beckham get shit from fans who give him shit is b/c his actions impacted his on-field play or were an excuse for it (by fans).
I'm not personally one who has ever said a bad word about Beckham, but those who do it's because he was a playoff no-show, his actions and suspension contributed directly to a loss, and his unwillingness to work with his QB in the off-season has a bad look to it.
What has Gronk done to negatively impact his team on the field, until this incident?
Everything is not about race, even though your white guilt seems to be inclined to make it that way.
Does Odell operate and profit off a booze cruise party boat? Does he pull a comedy act and crack sex jokes during post game press conferences? He's a complete clown show, and it stops being cute when someone gets sent to a neurologist because of it.I don't care that he apologized.
I'm not someone that cares about sophmoric bullshit from players, but in Gronk's case, everything he does is taken in stride and everything of the same nature with Beckham is used as an excuse to project major crimes ahead. Nobody thinks Gronk secretly runs the franchise because he doesn't get disciplined, but I have to listen to Francesa and Boomer preach about the dysfunctional Giants for treating it the same way and people eat it up.
Also, I'm not white. I think it's weird that you assumed what race I am.
Does Odell operate and profit off a booze cruise party boat? Does he pull a comedy act and crack sex jokes during post game press conferences? He's a complete clown show, and it stops being cute when someone gets sent to a neurologist because of it.I don't care that he apologized.
I'm not someone that cares about sophmoric bullshit from players, but in Gronk's case, everything he does is taken in stride and everything of the same nature with Beckham is used as an excuse to project major crimes ahead. Nobody thinks Gronk secretly runs the franchise because he doesn't get disciplined, but I have to listen to Francesa and Boomer preach about the dysfunctional Giants for treating it the same way and people eat it up.
Also, I'm not white. I think it's weird that you assumed what race I am.
Whatever race you are Gronk gets "a pass" because of his on-field results and his work ethic and his track record.
Ask his coach, who almost always calls him out along with Brady as the examples for his team to follow.
If Beckham showed up in the playoff game, if he didn't on national TV have the whole kicking net episode, if he didn't have multiple on-field altercations do you think he'd be as scrutinized?
I do not.
Saying he is more scrutinized due to his skin color is a cop out.
I can handle the race conversation and I never once in my life said race doesn't ever have a bearing on perception.
In this case IMO it doesn't.
You practically have the black Gronk on the Patriots in Martellus Bennett.
And for the record, again, I have zero issues with Beckham and have never once said even 1 negative word about him, and still don't. I don't think he's a victim here and I do not believe he's being treated differently (even perceived differently) because of his skin color.
Gronk had zero prior history other than one incident at the end of the 2014 Super Bowl when the Seahawks coach imploded and their defense was pissed and started a fight.
That's why he was suspended one game. And he's getting called out for it locally here in the Boston area almost identically to how Beckham was for the Norman incident.