I have only seen Rosen and Darnild play once . Are these guys THAT much better than Webb as prospects? Maybe Darnold. Rosen looks a bit fragile. Already wearing a knee brace. Also, if you recall, Eli looked horrible at the start of his career and quite frankly time to time throughout his whole career. I’m just not sure if the team put total confidence and support behind Webb, coupled with an outstanding qb mentor, he couldn’t develop into a good to great NFL starter. Has the size coupled with a work ethic and also seems like the Eli type as far as being focused and well mannered. A new regime can continue the plan with Elli for the next year or 2 starting and by all accounts he would be happy to mentor Webb, which is a positive. The Giants can pay him back by massively upgrading the O line and RB position, thus giving both he and eventually Webb a fighting chance.
If you're picking among the blue chip QB prospects and covet one, you pick him. Webb's presence has zero to do with it.
Nothing wrong with giving yourself two young QB prospects to develop. If neither do, you’re in trouble. If one does, that works, if both do, fantastic. Keep one, leverage the other in trade.
Size, arm, smarts wise...Webb as as good as any in this draft.
Only Darnold has better athleticism but he is far from a blue chip prospect when you look at accuracy and decision making.
It's not to say none of them can't be remedied, but he's not a reason to bypass a blue chip talent.
If Eli's gone, and he likely is, there's enough less reason to force a pick at OL or Barkley, for example.
and RGIII was 4 rounds better than Kirk Cousins.
Guess which one is out of football and which one is one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the game.
As JonC said, Webb's deficiencies are that he never played under center, and coming from a spread offense wasn't required to read the equivalent of NFL coverages on a regular basis. But neither was his predecessor Goff. Webb is a very hard work who loves football. If anyone can overcome those deficiencies, it's him. Many scouts thought Webb was the best prospect in the draft. Some Giants scouts gave him a first round grade.
The question isn't just whether Rosen or Darnold are better than Webb, it's are they better than Webb plus all the draft picks we could get by trading down.
The chances of drafting a QB decline dramatically, and evaporate completely, if Darnold stays in school. I don't see the Giants trading up with Cleveland for Rosen, not given his character and injury concerns, the cost to do so, and already having Webb. And Jackson, Mayfield, and Allen aren't worth the #2 or #3 pick.
If Darnold comes out, then the Giants probably will take whoever of Rosen or Darnold is available, and let him compete with Webb. I'm not sure what I would do. Nelson is the safer pick, and definitely addresses a need. Trading down would also provide extra picks, and therefore much needed depth. But I would prefer if Reese and Ross don't make this decision.
It depends. If Eli is no longer on the roster, then Webb could open the season as the starter, while the first rounder gets ready to play.
It's not to say none of them can't be remedied, but he's not a reason to bypass a blue chip talent.
If Eli's gone, and he likely is, there's enough less reason to force a pick at OL or Barkley, for example.
These are all very possible scenarios where having some sense of what you have in Webb does come into play.
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Never played under center, wasn't proficient at reading defenses and moving through his progressions with live bullets flying, had a tendency to hurry and miss mileposts, was erratic outside the pocket, had a tendency to launch passes high, etc.
It's not to say none of them can't be remedied, but he's not a reason to bypass a blue chip talent.
If Eli's gone, and he likely is, there's enough less reason to force a pick at OL or Barkley, for example.
Yes, that is obvious for the top two guys, but becomes more complicated beyond that. What if Giants pick 5th and top two or three guys are gone? What if they miss options in round 1 but have choices to make in round 2 or 3? Would you consider trading up from round 2 pick into late round 1 for anyone?
These are all very possible scenarios where having some sense of what you have in Webb does come into play.
Understood, I'm definitely opining from a standpoint of picking top 2, or at least being in a position where one of the top two QBs is available when we're on the clock. The calculus will change otherwise, we agree.
We need very high quality linesmen, LBs and various additions to fix this roster.
Because a majority of the draft people don't think that highly of him as a 1st round pick right now.
Team has disgraced Eli in order to get Geno meaningless looks. They need to give him starter reps this week - maybe split with Geno and have Eli can run scout team. Then get him into the game this week and next week give him all reps and the start. Ready or not, he needs to play.
At least Webb gives fans a reason to watch. It is long past time this team did something productive.
Build the OL around the young QB's via the draft and free agency.
Draft order is not irrelevant, nor should it be. There is a reason Webb was there late in the 3rd round, he had a lot more question marks than the guys taken in the 1st. And a few mop-up games running out the string isn't enough to say they shouldn't take a blue-chip guy. Picking one of those guys doesn't guarantee his success, but the odds are much better.
I like the Webb pick because I expected 2-3 years of Eli starting. That would have given the team ample time to look at Webb to see if he could be the heir apparent. That didn't happen, so if you have a chance to take a QB you really like with a top 3 pick, you do it and don't think twice.
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He has the physical attributes. The tough senior season reminds me of why Marino went so late in the draft.
Because a majority of the draft people don't think that highly of him as a 1st round pick right now.
I know, but some NFL chaps rate him at the top, so opinions diverge. I predict he will rise up during the offseason. He reminds me of Brett Favre, and the way his late college record diminished enthusiasm for him, that is Dan Marino. I am not an expert but I would not count Allen out as things progress.
Don't know until you see him play. Rosen and Darnold are the top 2 QB's by most sources this year, but neither strike me as QB's you build a franchise around. It is not so much of if Webb is better than Rosen or Darnold, but if you are talking about a similar QB then we would be blowing the chance to upgrade other positions with guys like Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson
However now that I think Eli is gone, I think we should grab a QB (if we have them rated highly). We need someone to replace Eli so why not just get to it with a future QB. Let Rosen (for example) come in and compete with Webb, with one of them starting. I prefer this to Geno or another retread.
That’s not true as a matter of fact Webb throws a nice accurate long ball ......
Marino went late because of cocaine rumors.