Honest discussion of recent Giant QB play

In comment 13721717 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: But then again this season has been filled with horrible fumbles by QB Geno had 2 in one game. Eli lost 5 fumbles in 11 games. That's a lost fumble every other game, which is about average.

Yes FMIC but the OP is just being "honest"...

I think non-rose colored glasses would say that Smith played as well as he could've played under the circumstances and played as he has done in his career. He can make all the throws and has some mobility. He also turns the ball over.

He was in a tough spot and the team was in a tough spot.

Apples to Apples. I think Engram caught passes that he dropped last week and Sheppard played. Those were the major differences. He was given the ball in the red zone and didn't get points but scored 2 touchdowns. A net of 7 until the garbage time.

This offense stinks. The team stinks. The organization is a festering mess.

I think non-rose colored glasses would say that Smith played as well as he could've played under the circumstances and played as he has done in his career. He can make all the throws and has some mobility. He also turns the ball over.

He was in a tough spot and the team was in a tough spot.

Apples to Apples. I think Engram caught passes that he dropped last week and Sheppard played. Those were the major differences. He was given the ball in the red zone and didn't get points but scored 2 touchdowns. A net of 7 until the garbage time.

This offense stinks. The team stinks. The organization is a festering mess.

It does not matter if Geno played better than Eli.
If Smith is the QB next year then the Giants will be competing for the first draft pick again.

With Geno shows that the problem is with the system, the OL and the lack of talent around the QB. The SAME exact issues arose, but the only difference is Geno was able to move around a bit more.

This Oakland defense is the same defense that let Siemian come in and throw 2 tds and no picks in about a half the previous week. Geno is not the problem, and neither is Eli. You cant make an honest judgement on either because there is just NOTHING to work with.

I thought Geno threw a better ball. He led his receivers a bit more in some instances.

In comment 13721790 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13721774 christian said: Quote: The more telling thing for me is Smith looked just as average with the same set of characters. Think about that. A journeyman coming off the bench, first year in the system. The turnovers were bad. They end drives and steal points. And whether they go through the air, or on the ground they are killers. Both of the QBs on the roster are not good enough in other areas to make up for them. It's crystal clear neither guy is getting a team to a championship at this stage in their career. I don't think it's crystal clear, look at it from the opposite side. Put a competent O-line and run game in front of the two. Do you still think they'd look the same?

Probably not. I think Eli would be fine in that structure. But the reality of the current state of Eli and the Giants is that he needs that structure in place, and it's not here, and you and I don't even know who's going to be the one tasked with getting it in place.

They're not going to win any time soon, and there's no justification for being on the hook for all that salary at his age when your outlook is maybe being two years away from being relevant. You're essentially paying 11% of all your resources to build a 53-man roster to one man just to be able to keep him around as an attraction for the fans with no ability to sell your team as a contender.

And I'd say the same for the defense too. Cut salary for the older guys who make the highest money and let's move forward.

2 guys who know exactly WTF they're talking about and have proven that over the years.

I cringe thinking of McAdoo and Cignetti walking the halls of Giants Stadium bad mouthing Eli.

When you're handed a 2-time Super Bowl MVP QB, who figure out what he does well and tailor the offense to it. Gilbride and Coughlin were smart enough to do that. KG basically created the perfect offense to utilize Manning's strengths. I love the guy.

that's funny. And who Hired McAdoo in the first place - who made him OC three years ago. Who hired Tom Quinn??? TC was part of the problem at the end of his tenure, need to clean the house on the entire coaching staff. If that means the GM goes too, so be it.

Our offense scored 17 points, 7 if which cane late when we are down two scores.

Smith made a couple of nice throws, especially she’s he was under pressure most of game. He had two bad turnovers because if it.

He also has to rush throws and dump off a lot of short
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Replace his name with Eli and I could have basically could have been talking about any game this season.

Our offense is broken. We have no o-line.

In comment 13721826 Powerclean765 said:

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2 guys who know exactly WTF they're talking about and have proven that over the years.

I thought Cosell's comments were not very positive, while Gilbride's were very positive.

In comment 13721825 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13721790 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 13721774 christian said: Quote: The more telling thing for me is Smith looked just as average with the same set of characters. Think about that. A journeyman coming off the bench, first year in the system. The turnovers were bad. They end drives and steal points. And whether they go through the air, or on the ground they are killers. Both of the QBs on the roster are not good enough in other areas to make up for them. It's crystal clear neither guy is getting a team to a championship at this stage in their career. I don't think it's crystal clear, look at it from the opposite side. Put a competent O-line and run game in front of the two. Do you still think they'd look the same? Probably not. I think Eli would be fine in that structure. But the reality of the current state of Eli and the Giants is that he needs that structure in place, and it's not here, and you and I don't even know who's going to be the one tasked with getting it in place. They're not going to win any time soon, and there's no justification for being on the hook for all that salary at his age when your outlook is maybe being two years away from being relevant. You're essentially paying 11% of all your resources to build a 53-man roster to one man just to be able to keep him around as an attraction for the fans with no ability to sell your team as a contender. And I'd say the same for the defense too. Cut salary for the older guys who make the highest money and let's move forward.

I understand that neither are the future at this point, I do think Eli gives you a better chance to win while you groom your next QB.

That said, cutting him to "save money" isn't as cut and dried as you think.

I think we all agree we're going to need a veteran QB on the roster next year. Look around at what some of these vet QB's are getting paid.

Mike Glennon is getting 14 million from the Bears this year. Jay Cutler is making 10 million.

You cut Eli, you leave 12.5 million in dead space, then you have to sign a veteran QB for what? 10 million on average for the year?

By doing that, you're actually tying up MORE money in the position than just keeping Eli. And you have a Jay Cutler or Mike Glennon instead.

is often glossed over, but it is what made Gilbride such an innovative coach:

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KG basically created the perfect offense to utilize Manning's strengths

If you look at the offensive systems he ran in his career, they spanned the run-and-shoot, hybrid WCO's and a vertical offense. He tailored his system to the strengths of the QB - not force a system on the QB

And I didn't mean to imply that. You can't really do anything. That's what makes this whole situation awful.

In comment 13721760 oldutican said:

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Eli defenders cite Geno's fumbles. In 212 games, Eli has fumbled 112 times. On the first yesterday, Smith's arm was hit as he began the throw. On the 2nd, Mack ran right past Wheeler. If it were Eli making those fumbles, you all would be saying it's the fault of a leaky line.

Smith fumbles because it was jailbreak city and he was under immediate pressure. This is the story of the Giants offense for years now.

The second fumble both tackles, LT with help failed and Mack made a great play stripping it. Eli fumbles this year too because he is drilled clean or stripped due to immediate pressure.

Geno ran for close to a first and Escaped pocket for a throw away or two. For most of the game the Giants offense was garbage. There is no run game. Two of the brighter spots on this team, Engram and Shep, stepped up and made some big plays which lead to points.

Geno did bot play horribly or great. He did a solid job especially considering the pressure on him.

One thing, Eli is a pocket passer field general. He can lead any offense and make the throws, but he needs an offense to lead. Give Eli NFL competence at o line so he has decent protection and a run game that teams must at least take note of and he will give you a productive offense. People talk like this is a simple thing, most QB'S can not even do this consistently if given an offense. A QB who can do it, stay healthy and beat the best is as rare as anything in sports, this is what the Giants are jettisoning with Eli.

Eli will ID protections and set up the run game and hit plays on play action. But, he needs an offense to lead. I believe he can still do this and he has proven he can do it against any team, anywhere, anytime and in any weather conditions. The Giants have driven this team into the ground and kicked Eli aside as a scapegoat. Now, the Giants have given up the advantage of having a franchise QB. The Giants will now be playing find the HC and find the QB like most of the NFL. How is the new HC working out? People could not wait to fire Coughlin, think ownership wants that decision back?.

It is the same with Eli. When a franchise decides it is time to move on from a championship coach or franchise/champion QB they better make damn well sure the guys are done and better replacements are out there. I expect the end of the Eli era to result in years of mediocrity at best because that is what most teams in the NFL are, unless they have a franchise QB or winning coach.

With Eli we would have won

I like him myself and know that is very respected here but the totality of his comments were very weird. He basically said that Eli was a dependent quarterback because of his lack of mobility. He talked about a lot of running quarterbacks needing a system. He then talked about Aaron Rodgers and then the interviewer questioned if Brady was a dependent quarterback for the same reason and Cosell seemed to avoid an answer.

In comment 13721871 rocco8112 said:

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In comment 13721760 oldutican said: Quote: Eli defenders cite Geno's fumbles. In 212 games, Eli has fumbled 112 times. On the first yesterday, Smith's arm was hit as he began the throw. On the 2nd, Mack ran right past Wheeler. If it were Eli making those fumbles, you all would be saying it's the fault of a leaky line. Smith fumbles because it was jailbreak city and he was under immediate pressure. This is the story of the Giants offense for years now. The second fumble both tackles, LT with help failed and Mack made a great play stripping it. Eli fumbles this year too because he is drilled clean or stripped due to immediate pressure. Geno ran for close to a first and Escaped pocket for a throw away or two. For most of the game the Giants offense was garbage. There is no run game. Two of the brighter spots on this team, Engram and Shep, stepped up and made some big plays which lead to points. Geno did bot play horribly or great. He did a solid job especially considering the pressure on him. One thing, Eli is a pocket passer field general. He can lead any offense and make the throws, but he needs an offense to lead. Give Eli NFL competence at o line so he has decent protection and a run game that teams must at least take note of and he will give you a productive offense. People talk like this is a simple thing, most QB'S can not even do this consistently if given an offense. A QB who can do it, stay healthy and beat the best is as rare as anything in sports, this is what the Giants are jettisoning with Eli. Eli will ID protections and set up the run game and hit plays on play action. But, he needs an offense to lead. I believe he can still do this and he has proven he can do it against any team, anywhere, anytime and in any weather conditions. The Giants have driven this team into the ground and kicked Eli aside as a scapegoat. Now, the Giants have given up the advantage of having a franchise QB. The Giants will now be playing find the HC and find the QB like most of the NFL. How is the new HC working out? People could not wait to fire Coughlin, think ownership wants that decision back?. It is the same with Eli. When a franchise decides it is time to move on from a championship coach or franchise/champion QB they better make damn well sure the guys are done and better replacements are out there. I expect the end of the Eli era to result in years of mediocrity at best because that is what most teams in the NFL are, unless they have a franchise QB or winning coach.

Excellent post.

Escaped pressure well, threw the ball pretty well (although he benefited greatly from spectacular catches by Shepard and Engram). The first fumble isn't on him, he was getting ready to throw the ball. The 2nd, however, is all on him, and quintessential Geno. Held the ball too long, and never anticipated the rush.

A couple of things, to compare it to the performance v. the Skins should come with caveats. Shepard didn't play, and the OL was brutally bad that game. They played much better yesterday.

The problem I have with the whole Eli situation isn't about Geno. Geno has no future with the Giants. Are we really resigning him to play QB next year? God help us. To that end, Webb should be the guy we're looking at, and playing Geno only delays getting Webb ready. Geno hadn't played in 2 years, and therefore needed all of the practice reps. If you leave Eli as the starter, you could have given Webb half the reps last week, and then this week, and maybe get him in to Sunday's game at some point. Then Webb could conceivably be ready to start week 16.

McAdoo did this solely so that he could point at the QB and say "see, if I could have played my guy sooner, we could have been competitive!" You don't let a dead man walking choose the next guy to execute.

they have little to no chance with no running game to speak of, a below average offensive line, and receivers who rarely get open. Their stats are window dressing to the shattered window of failure of scheme/talent they are trying to cover.

Geno played a little bit better than expected, but his performance wasn't different than what Eli has done the past couple months.

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I understand that neither are the future at this point, I do think Eli gives you a better chance to win while you groom your next QB. That said, cutting him to "save money" isn't as cut and dried as you think. I think we all agree we're going to need a veteran QB on the roster next year. Look around at what some of these vet QB's are getting paid. Mike Glennon is getting 14 million from the Bears this year. Jay Cutler is making 10 million. You cut Eli, you leave 12.5 million in dead space, then you have to sign a veteran QB for what? 10 million on average for the year? By doing that, you're actually tying up MORE money in the position than just keeping Eli. And you have a Jay Cutler or Mike Glennon instead.

If the team is truly moving to the future, milking a few wins out of a vet in a new system isn't particularly helpful.

The Giants would likely either start the top 5 pick like the Rams and Eagles did 2 years ago and retain Smith at a price tag much cheaper than $10M.

There'a also a very real chance the Giants can redo Mannings deal as part of a trade and realize more cap savings. If the right team is aligned adding an extra year and converting bonus to salary might be a win/win for Manning and the Giants. Manning would have to feel confident he would net $32M guaranteed on a new deal to not work with the Giants.

It helped yesterday that Engram and King caught the balls they dropped against Washington. But offensive line play was terrible. Wheeler couldn't block Kerrigan and he really couldn't block Mack. We have a GM who refused to address the team's glaring weakness and a coach who stubbornly refused to adjust to that reality. Geno Smith is not the answer for this or any other team. The situation has devolved into an unmitigated disaster. McAdoo's treatment of the team's best and most iconic player displays a lack of judgment, maturity, and ability that merits his banishment asap. Reese has run out of time. And at this point, does it really make sense to throw Davis Webb into this howling mess and expect to get any meaningful information?

In comment 13721917 christian said:

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Quote: I understand that neither are the future at this point, I do think Eli gives you a better chance to win while you groom your next QB. That said, cutting him to "save money" isn't as cut and dried as you think. I think we all agree we're going to need a veteran QB on the roster next year. Look around at what some of these vet QB's are getting paid. Mike Glennon is getting 14 million from the Bears this year. Jay Cutler is making 10 million. You cut Eli, you leave 12.5 million in dead space, then you have to sign a veteran QB for what? 10 million on average for the year? By doing that, you're actually tying up MORE money in the position than just keeping Eli. And you have a Jay Cutler or Mike Glennon instead. If the team is truly moving to the future, milking a few wins out of a vet in a new system isn't particularly helpful. The Giants would likely either start the top 5 pick like the Rams and Eagles did 2 years ago and retain Smith at a price tag much cheaper than $10M. There'a also a very real chance the Giants can redo Mannings deal as part of a trade and realize more cap savings. If the right team is aligned adding an extra year and converting bonus to salary might be a win/win for Manning and the Giants. Manning would have to feel confident he would net $32M guaranteed on a new deal to not work with the Giants.

Unfortunately, the Giants have lost any leverage with Manning to make a move like that thanks to McAdoo.

In comment 13721850 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is often glossed over, but it is what made Gilbride such an innovative coach: Quote: KG basically created the perfect offense to utilize Manning's strengths If you look at the offensive systems he ran in his career, they spanned the run-and-shoot, hybrid WCO's and a vertical offense. He tailored his system to the strengths of the QB - not force a system on the QB

Yes, and this highlights the glaring problem with McAdoo -- his inability or unwillingness to adjust.

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Unfortunately, the Giants have lost any leverage with Manning to make a move like that thanks to McAdoo.

I don't believe that to be true at all. When the season ends, and Macadoo and Reese are both gone, emotions will turn to economics.

The Giants have the leverage of his contract, which is a good deal and better than what Manning will fetch on the open market.

Manning has the leverage of the NTC and a price tag the Giants don't want to, but practically can absorb.

Both sides benefit from being practical this off-season. The only way Manning is cut, is if the organization is incredibly generous to him.

Geno officially throw any balls past 20+ yards?

In comment 13721875 PatersonPlank said:

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With Eli we would have won

At 2-9, I don't think you get to assume wins.

In comment 13721981 Toth029 said:

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Geno officially throw any balls past 20+ yards?

Those sideline out routes are easily more than 20 yards in the air.

In comment 13721981 Toth029 said:

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Geno officially throw any balls past 20+ yards?

To me layman eyes, this offense whether due to scheme, lack of protection or likely both simply does not take shots down the field. Shame, this was probably Eli's greatest strength his deep ball.

In comment 13722021 rocco8112 said:

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In comment 13721981 Toth029 said: Quote: Geno officially throw any balls past 20+ yards? To me layman eyes, this offense whether due to scheme, lack of protection or likely both simply does not take shots down the field. Shame, this was probably Eli's greatest strength his deep ball.

Exactly, this offense neutered him.

In comment 13721981 Toth029 said:

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Geno officially throw any balls past 20+ yards?

He threw some for completions. A couple to Engram, one to Shepard. Had a few that also tailed a bit on him.

dead last in balls thrown 20+ yards downfield a few weeks ago, and since we were really low in that category last year too, I have a feeling it is due to the system instead of the QB.

In comment 13722045 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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dead last in balls thrown 20+ yards downfield a few weeks ago, and since we were really low in that category last year too, I have a feeling it is due to the system instead of the QB.

Yeah, also since the front office is unable or unwilling to build an oline, Eli under McAdoo the genius has been coached to "get the a
ball out, get the ball out, get the damn ball out!" in a futile attempt to scheme around a shit o line. This I think has reduced shots down field and may have played a role in Eli becoming les comfortable in the pocket. That and the amount of clean shots he takes when o lineman are beat like a drum off the ball.

seconds, and still getting hit as he releases it.

In comment 13721803 Britt in VA said:

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I know you hate the term "nuance", but that's exactly what it is. Comparing Geno and Eli, or ANY other QB behind this line and offensive roster is pointless. Put a real team around them, and do you still think Geno and Eli would be an even performance? I don't even think it would be close, and I think the history of the two players shows that.

Completely agree with this post. On this offense as it is presently constructed every QB will look the same - like crap. However, put the right pieces in place and get a scheme that actually works and Eli can get the offense rolling and bring you another championship... I have no faith that Geno could do the same.

both QB's performed up to the ceiling.

*Any* QB in the league would perform up to the ceiling.

We have no earthly idea how Eli (or Geno) would perform if the ceiling was raised.

We have no true evidence as to whether Eli is in decline or can't do the job or not. We won't until the ceiling is raised.

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in regards to there being a ceiling on offense.

Makes total sense.

In comment 13721717 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: But then again this season has been filled with horrible fumbles by QB Geno had 2 in one game. Eli lost 5 fumbles in 11 games. That's a lost fumble every other game, which is about average.

Average for Eli, maybe. Not average overall. Looking at all teams other than the Giants, NFL QBs have lost, on average, two fumbles this season, or 0.18 per game. And that includes Tom Savage who has lost one per game. For clarity, Rivers and Roethlisberger, the two QBs to whom Eli is most often compared (for obvious reasons), have each lost one fumble this season.

Even if you want to consider the ratio of lost fumbles to total fumbles to be a function of luck (which it is, to some degree), Eli has also fumbled at a rate that is nearly double the league average: he has 0.64 fumbles per game, whereas all other teams' QBs have 0.35 fumbles per game.

Eli has always been fumble prone. There's really no denying that. Losing a fumble every other game is bad, not average. Putting the ball on the ground in two out of every three games is bad too.

is 7th in fumbles and 10th in lost fumbles.

Some QB's ahead of him:
- Wentz
- Wilson
- Stafford
- Winston
- Cousins (who leads the league)

Recovering fumbles is almost purely luck, so there is no need to look at fumbles lost. And yes, Eli and Geno are both terrible in this regard.

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Even if you want to consider the ratio of lost fumbles to total fumbles to be a function of luck (which it is, to some degree), Eli has also fumbled at a rate that is nearly double the league average: he has 0.64 fumbles per game, whereas all other teams' QBs have 0.35 fumbles per game.

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Eli.. FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply is 7th in fumbles and 10th in lost fumbles. Some QB's ahead of him: - Wentz - Wilson - Stafford - Winston - Cousins (who leads the league)

put up 17 points yesterday in Geno's first game. that is the second highest point total this offense has put up without beckham, only beat by the 21 points against the 49ers (including 8 points in garbage time with a minute left).

on the whole we had similar performance - the difference being relative to expectations and salary.

with Eli and without beckham, this offense put up the following points: 3, 16, 7, 17, 21, 12 and 10 points. that's a 13 point average in 7 games. made worse by the fact that the 12 points were also in an overtime game, 7 of the points against the rams came with then game was 48-10 and 8 of the points in the san fran game were with a minute left in garbage time with an 18 point lead for the 49ers.

Geno is by no means the answer long term at QB, but he actually outperformed 2017 Eli yesterday for a fraction of the cost. He was able to sustain some drives with his mobility. His fumbles were huge mistakes and part of a long term trend of his where he holds on to the ball too long/does not make consistently good and crisp decisions.

We all know the roster (specifically on offense) is crap.

Currently no receivers of value outside of Sheppard and Engram, no consistent Running back, and an offensive line that only opens holes for the defense to come through.

Of the above. The injuries of the receivers I can't blame on Reese. My opinion there is no GM prepares for all the missed playing time due to injury there. We were all excited by the Marshall pickup, we had OBJ and Sheppard and Engram was a great drafted player (not arguing who we should have drafted)

The RBs I can blame on him, Vareen, for whatever reason, was a miss.

The O-line...while he tried to draft the pieces, he has missed far more often than hit.

That being said. With all those holes, with the JV squad we put out there week to week, who would have made this a winning team? McAdoo seemed to have the arrow moving up as an OC. Since then the offense has been a failure, I don't argue.
But with the current roster, could any coach who was available after TC left really been able to succeed? Certainly when more than half the staff was selected for you (Spags, Sully, and Quinn)? I think the answer is a resounding No.

In comment 13722211 Les in TO said:

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put up 17 points yesterday in Geno's first game. that is the second highest point total this offense has put up without beckham, only beat by the 21 points against the 49ers (including 8 points in garbage time with a minute left). on the whole we had similar performance - the difference being relative to expectations and salary. with Eli and without beckham, this offense put up the following points: 3, 16, 7, 17, 21, 12 and 10 points. that's a 13 point average in 7 games. made worse by the fact that the 12 points were also in an overtime game, 7 of the points against the rams came with then game was 48-10 and 8 of the points in the san fran game were with a minute left in garbage time with an 18 point lead for the 49ers. Geno is by no means the answer long term at QB, but he actually outperformed 2017 Eli yesterday for a fraction of the cost. He was able to sustain some drives with his mobility. His fumbles were huge mistakes and part of a long term trend of his where he holds on to the ball too long/does not make consistently good and crisp decisions.

Haha outperformed to the tune of 212 yards, 1 td and 2 fumbles lost. Against one of the worst defenses in the league. Had Eli done the same thing, 99% of this board would have said Eli cost the Giants the game.

First, next year, it isn't about the cost, but the QB to mentor your future. I sure as shit wouldn't choose Geno over Eli in that regard. Second, cutting Eli would be more detrimental to the team in terms of the cap hit. Third, if they have a new GM who finally gets even a mediocre OL in pace, Eli is still the better QB.

In comment 13722140 Bill L said:

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both QB's performed up to the ceiling. *Any* QB in the league would perform up to the ceiling. We have no earthly idea how Eli (or Geno) would perform if the ceiling was raised. We have no true evidence as to whether Eli is in decline or can't do the job or not. We won't until the ceiling is raised.

We know how Eli performs outside of this Mickey Mouse offense because we have seen it. As someone said, Geno would not have been taken #1 if he wasn't a good athlete and had a strong arm,but at this stage, he is what he is and he performed about as he always has-high floor, low ceiling.

is an indictment on everyone.

ELI: Purely for the fact that his production was replicated by a back-up. The argument that Brady/Rodgers/etc would look bad behind this offense is a waste in the Eli vs McAdoo debate because its an unwinnable argument.

McAdoo: For trying to shoehorn and offense into pieces that don't fit. The biggest validation for McAdoo would have been a mobile QB scoring 30+ points in his system. That didn't happen so it's time for him to go.

Reese: Failing to get the proper personnel pieces around the QB. O-line should have been the strategy to elevate Eli's play not better skill position players.

At 2-10, nobody is clean, but Eli definitely comes out the best.

In comment 13722162 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is 7th in fumbles and 10th in lost fumbles. Some QB's ahead of him: - Wentz - Wilson - Stafford - Winston - Cousins (who leads the league)

That is not at all accurate.

Eli has seven fumbles, four lost.

- Wentz has four fumbles, one lost
- Wilson has five fumbles, two lost
- Stafford actually does lead Eli - he has nine fumbles, six lost
- Winston has seven fumbles, three lost
- Cousins has six fumbles, four lost

But let's see if Britt quotes the accurate stats.
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In comment 13722185 Britt in VA said:

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Quote: Even if you want to consider the ratio of lost fumbles to total fumbles to be a function of luck (which it is, to some degree), Eli has also fumbled at a rate that is nearly double the league average: he has 0.64 fumbles per game, whereas all other teams' QBs have 0.35 fumbles per game. Quote: Eli.. FatMan in Charlotte : 10:58 am : link : reply is 7th in fumbles and 10th in lost fumbles. Some QB's ahead of him: - Wentz - Wilson - Stafford - Winston - Cousins (who leads the league)

See above.