Everyone's passions are on fire this past week but I am curious how would your rate Geno Smiths game this week vs Eli's game against Redskins last week.
Unlike many of you - I thought Giants offensive performance against Redskins was so awful and that a change at QB was justified.
Comparisons are hard
I think Shepard being back really helped Geno and passing game
but I thought the OL played much much worse in general against Oakland than last week against Redskins
Everyone says Oakland has a bad defense but I think they are as good as Redskins -- Oakland pass defense is actually in top 10 and they are still in legitimate hunt of playoff spot .
I personally think in general Geno played a much better game than Eli did last week
Geno's huge miscues were two fumbles - The second fumble being the killer and totally on Geno for holding the ball way too long in that part of the field. But then again this season has been filled with horrible fumbles by QB.
Geno was brought in to be mobile and extend plays - this is exactly what he did .
I thought he was rusty at first but he moved the Giants efficiently on a couple of decent drives and after a long drought the offense finally scored two TDs -- one being on a long impressive 75 yard drive.
Many on this board think that Geno was not any better than Elil so the Giants should have just kept Eli playing but to me that just proves how poorly Eli has been this year .
Geno is a backup who hasn't played a down this year - . Eli is suppose to be an Elite QB and an Elite QB is suppose to elevate the offense . Even if the offense lacks serious talent.
The fact that Geno played slightly better than Eli is really an indictment on Eli's recent play .
That said it would be great to hear rational comparisons
The offense sucks, and anybody would look pedestrian in it.
And that’s what we have here.
Where it’s going to get interesting is Mac Not treating Eli and geno the same way post game
2) Consider the situation and the team you are playing. The Raiders are pretty weak defensively and even fired the Def. Coordinator recently. Add to that they were missing their top two WR's and their Oline hasn't played as well as they had hoped this year. The Raiders have been a very disappointing team this season.
3) No film on Geno with the Gmen. The Raiders had to use preseason and old Jets film to scout Smith.
4) Take away some horrible drops by Engram against the Skins and the game may have been different. This week Engram actually caught the ball.
5) Hard to think that the Raiders didn't think this would game would be a cake walk and after the first TD may have been a tad over confident. The Giants stayed in the game but how much of that was the Raiders poor play.
6) Would Eli, one of the more efficient Red Zone players, have turned the ball over twice inside the 20 (one inside the 10)? I mean he does turn it over a lot but inside the Red Zone Eli is willing to take the FG's..
I wouldn't look at anything yesterday as a sign that Smith actually played better than Eli..
mobility was helpful yesterday. that is undeniable.
has nothing to do with the name on the jersey... to act like being mobile didn't help Geno means you have no clue what you are watching.
Pretty disingenuous to say it didn't make a difference because it certainly did on the two TD drives.
Your 1st post was correct. The offense sucks, even Tom Brady couldn't do anything with it. And the fact that even with a mobile QB they couldn't do any better proves that the offense is bad.
In truth, I thought Geno threw a better ball, but maybe my expectations were low so anything positive looked good.
In the end, turnovers caused by bad pass protection were again the cause of the loss.
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It made no difference! The offense is bad.
mobility was helpful yesterday. that is undeniable.
has nothing to do with the name on the jersey... to act like being mobile didn't help Geno means you have no clue what you are watching.
It helped him to 13 yards rushing, and he extended maybe one or two plays that he ended up throwing the ball away.
It was negligible. Especially to the outcome.
The offense sucks, and anybody would look pedestrian in it.
This x 1000. The offense looked exactly the same under Geno. What’s the common denominator? Coach and scheme. People need to stop focusing on the QB and focus on the system. You got the same results yesterday as all the other weeks.
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It made no difference! The offense is bad.
Pretty disingenuous to say it didn't make a difference because it certainly did on the two TD drives.
Your 1st post was correct. The offense sucks, even Tom Brady couldn't do anything with it. And the fact that even with a mobile QB they couldn't do any better proves that the offense is bad.
In truth, I thought Geno threw a better ball, but maybe my expectations were low so anything positive looked good.
In the end, turnovers caused by bad pass protection were again the cause of the loss.
You act like Manning has been a statue back there. He has rolled out and stepped up in the pocket, too.
Is Geno faster? Yes, and he did rush for close to a first down once, but Manning has also done that when the situation dictated it.
Go back and watch Manning this year, he has made plays with his legs too. That's not his game, but he's done it.
Perception vs. Reality.
the mobility was definitely a factor and a helpful one at that. will be interesting to see Week 2 (if there is one) and whether Geno improves or not.
but nothing that happened yesterday was eye-popping that made anyone change their opinion of the overall QB situation.
even yesterday they are calling play action when there is zero chance of the defense biting on it... same as the first few weeks of the year. 7 step drop playaction.
its all pathetic. I am starting to prefer Mayfield if the team goes QB. i think he can suit multiple systems.
And he Rex Ryan comments at the preser just showed what a dumbbell he is. Ryan is certainly an asshole, but a leader doesn't do that.
Geno had 2 in one game.
Eli lost 5 fumbles in 11 games. That's a lost fumble every other game, which is about average.
even yesterday they are calling play action when there is zero chance of the defense biting on it... same as the first few weeks of the year. 7 step drop playaction.
its all pathetic. I am starting to prefer Mayfield if the team goes QB. i think he can suit multiple systems.
It's clear as day when you go from a high-octane offense the last two years under Coughlin to two years under McAdoo.
It's the offensive philosophy, scheme, gameplanning.
McAdoo was the OC, but it was Coughlin's offense and gameplan still.
Now, the offense is a total joke and was last year too.
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You act like Manning has been a statue back there. He has rolled out and stepped up in the pocket, too.
Is Geno faster? Yes, and he did rush for close to a first down once, but Manning has also done that when the situation dictated it.
Go back and watch Manning this year, he has made plays with his legs too. That's not his game, but he's done it.
Perception vs. Reality.
Eli is a statue back there. Yes Eli has a TD and a couple good scrambles. But don't tell me Eli moves like Smith because Eli made a few 1st down runs in 11 games. Smith did have a 1st down run - 13 yards or something and he definitely moves better in and out of the pocket, but that may have to do with Eli being blasted for 5 straight years. I'm pretty certain Eli gets sacked at least 4 more times had he played. I'm pretty certain it may have been a shutout they way Oakland was in the backfield almost every play.
Comes down to the same result with different QBs. Oline and offense are terrible.
No help for Wheeler as Mack blew past him on 50% of the plays. Why have 3 TEs active if they aren't being used?
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You act like Manning has been a statue back there. He has rolled out and stepped up in the pocket, too.
Is Geno faster? Yes, and he did rush for close to a first down once, but Manning has also done that when the situation dictated it.
Go back and watch Manning this year, he has made plays with his legs too. That's not his game, but he's done it.
Perception vs. Reality.
Eli is a statue back there. Yes Eli has a TD and a couple good scrambles. But don't tell me Eli moves like Smith because Eli made a few 1st down runs in 11 games. Smith did have a 1st down run - 13 yards or something and he definitely moves better in and out of the pocket, but that may have to do with Eli being blasted for 5 straight years. I'm pretty certain Eli gets sacked at least 4 more times had he played. I'm pretty certain it may have been a shutout they way Oakland was in the backfield almost every play.
Comes down to the same result with different QBs. Oline and offense are terrible.
No help for Wheeler as Mack blew past him on 50% of the plays. Why have 3 TEs active if they aren't being used?
The point is it made no difference. Okay, Geno moved better than Eli. He's a runner, and he's younger. That doesn't mean Eli is washed up, he's not. It means the system is bad for anybody that is in it. Can't block, can't run, WR's can't get open, dropped passes.
Geno's mobility was negligible. It really made no difference.
The system is not built to any QB's strengths. It's stale and unimaginative and can't get out of it's own way.
1.) First game playing as starter for a bad Giants team
2.) Replacing Eli. Regardless on the belief Eli should
start or sit, Geno came in to replace a Giants legend.
Geno is probably not the answer, but I wouldn't have started Webb this week just because of the pressure of replacing a legend in the first game, let the veteran Geno do it.
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“What I know is this guy’s going to be prepared. He’ll always be as selfless, as hard working, as professional as you could ask anybody to be. When I do watch him on film I see a guy who’s arm strength is still the same.
“As I’ve said on numerous occasions will never and never has solved problems with his feet. He’s not gonna do that. He can solve it with his arm, he can solve it with his brains, he can solve it with his heart. But, if you’re asking this guy to solve problems because of difficulty with protection and what have you with his feet you’ve got the wrong guy. That’s not who he is.”
Cossell:
As for the Raiders, they are 22nd in overall defense, 23rd in passing yards against, and dead last in the league when it comes to forced turnovers.
You understand what's being said here about as well as you understand what you're watching on Sunday.
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if his cheerleaders are using the performance of the backup to boost his performance.
People are showing that the offense is broken, moreso than the QB position. Put a different QB back there - same results or worse. It isn't needed to "boost" Eli's performance, but it can be used to show that Eli isn't the main problem - the offensive design and the shit OL most likely are.
The turnovers were bad. They end drives and steal points. And whether they go through the air, or on the ground they are killers.
Both of the QBs on the roster are not good enough in other areas to make up for them.
It's crystal clear neither guy is getting a team to a championship at this stage in their career.
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I think it's pretty clear that Eli has been bad this year
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if his cheerleaders are using the performance of the backup to boost his performance.
People are showing that the offense is broken, moreso than the QB position. Put a different QB back there - same results or worse. It isn't needed to "boost" Eli's performance, but it can be used to show that Eli isn't the main problem - the offensive design and the shit OL most likely are.
Exactly. It isn't the QB it is the system. I think it backfired on McAdoo, yesterday. Geno looked pretty good. I thought he threw a very good ball. He held it too long in the red zone, But the results were exactly the same.
The turnovers were bad. They end drives and steal points. And whether they go through the air, or on the ground they are killers.
Both of the QBs on the roster are not good enough in other areas to make up for them.
It's crystal clear neither guy is getting a team to a championship at this stage in their career.
I don't think it's crystal clear, look at it from the opposite side.
Put a competent O-line and run game in front of the two. Do you still think they'd look the same?
It is crystal clear that neither guy is going to get THIS team to a championship, the way it is constructed, especially with the OL. Joe Flacco could very well have a playoff run this year, and he's allowed to sit behind a line and throw. We haven't said that about Eli in several years.
Meanwhile, a guy like Matt Ryan looks pedestrian with a line that isn't playing well. And guys like Keenum and Goff look really good with a competent OL.
2. New HC
They need to get Webb in there. It is beyond incomprehensible that he is still not ready to play and not even seeing any extra reps. They are wasting their time with Geno and disgraceful that they humiliated Eli to get him in there.
The question is not can Geno do more than Eli, the question is, is he the future QB for NYG, but we already know --he isn't. Webb at least gives fans something to tune in for and accomplishes something meaningful.
Comparing Geno and Eli, or ANY other QB behind this line and offensive roster is pointless.
Put a real team around them, and do you still think Geno and Eli would be an even performance? I don't even think it would be close, and I think the history of the two players shows that.
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But then again this season has been filled with horrible fumbles by QB
Geno had 2 in one game.
Eli lost 5 fumbles in 11 games. That's a lost fumble every other game, which is about average.
Yes FMIC but the OP is just being "honest"...
He was in a tough spot and the team was in a tough spot.
Apples to Apples. I think Engram caught passes that he dropped last week and Sheppard played. Those were the major differences. He was given the ball in the red zone and didn't get points but scored 2 touchdowns. A net of 7 until the garbage time.
This offense stinks. The team stinks. The organization is a festering mess.
He was in a tough spot and the team was in a tough spot.
Apples to Apples. I think Engram caught passes that he dropped last week and Sheppard played. Those were the major differences. He was given the ball in the red zone and didn't get points but scored 2 touchdowns. A net of 7 until the garbage time.
This offense stinks. The team stinks. The organization is a festering mess.
If Smith is the QB next year then the Giants will be competing for the first draft pick again.
This Oakland defense is the same defense that let Siemian come in and throw 2 tds and no picks in about a half the previous week. Geno is not the problem, and neither is Eli. You cant make an honest judgement on either because there is just NOTHING to work with.