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Sorry, I thought Smith played pretty good

Now Mike in MD : 12/4/2017 9:21 am
I saw a lot of positives, especially considering this is a guy who has not played in a real football game in years.

1. Strong and accurate arm. He fit some throws into very tight windows and put the ball where it absolutely had to be. Some were criticizing the throw to Shepherd, but I thought he purposely put the ball there because if he led SS, the ball was getting tipped. So he there it where SS had a chance to make a play. His TD pass to EE required touch;

2. He kept at least 6-8 plays alive with his legs. And when he was moving he still kept his eyes down field

3. He made a number of throws where it looked like the pass went to his 2nd and even 3rd option. And he didn't seem to be rushing through his progressions.

Obviously, the fumbles were a problem, but one was a strip sack from behind, I didn't see how that was his fault. And I'm sorry let's not sugar coat the fact that Eli has had more than his shares of fumbles this year and in his career.

So all in alive I thought Smith was a positive and the offense was actually moving the ball at times, which is more than we can say has been occurring the last 4-5 weeks.
Cut down on the mistakes  
NorwoodWideRight : 12/4/2017 9:23 am : link
and you have a pretty serviceable quarterback who could start in this league. I never understood why he was so unfairly criticized. The Jets did him wrong. His reputation is largely based on what he did as a rookie.
"Obviously the fumbles were a problem"....  
ryanmkeane : 12/4/2017 9:25 am : link
Smith has absolutely zero pocket awareness. He never had it since he came into the league, which is why he sucked for the Jets. That's his #1 issue, and if you don't have that, you can't be a starting QB in the NFL.

But sure, he played well.
17 Points  
Tom from LI : 12/4/2017 9:26 am : link
265 yards total offense.

not impressed.

he played exactly as he has throughout his career  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2017 9:27 am : link
moves the chains, keeps some plays alive, makes some nice throws, then turns the ball over.

this was predicted before the game, it happened in the game, and it will happen in the next game.

He wasn't drafted so highly because he's a no talent ass clown, he has skills, but he's also missing some attributes which is why he's a better backup than a starter.
So what’s the point?  
UberAlias : 12/4/2017 9:29 am : link
Is he going to save the season? No. Is he the future franchise QB? No.

So we’re wasting our time with him. The priority has to be getting a look at Webb. We’ve already disgraced Eli and the franchise to get Geno these meaningless looks. It’s about time this team did something productive.

They need to get Webb reps this week and start him next week. Ready or not, he needs to play.
Smith played pretty well but the offense was exactly the same  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2017 9:29 am : link
Engram not dropping the ball and Shepard back was what made things "look better" than they did vs. Washington and the other few games. At the end of the day, it was 17 points and 260 total yards and 2 turnovers. Geno had a 39 QBR if you care about that sort of thing.

Short of Aaron Rodgers nobody is actually going to play well with the number of talent/scheme challenges of this current offense.
RE: he played exactly as he has throughout his career  
mfsd : 12/4/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13721878 pjcas18 said:
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moves the chains, keeps some plays alive, makes some nice throws, then turns the ball over.

this was predicted before the game, it happened in the game, and it will happen in the next game.

He wasn't drafted so highly because he's a no talent ass clown, he has skills, but he's also missing some attributes which is why he's a better backup than a starter.


Bingo. Nobody who’s watched him play before ever said he sucks. He can just always be counted on to turn it over just often enough to lose games
yeah -- I didn't see hi show anything he  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/4/2017 9:30 am : link
hasn't shown before -- he is a known quantity -- he's a snatch defeat from the jaws of victory kind of QB
Good for Geno.  
Mr. Bungle : 12/4/2017 9:30 am : link
Considering he's on a one-year deal, considering a 3rd-round pick was used on Davis Webb, and considering the Giants will be in position to draft a stud QB prospect, giving Geno playing time means pretty much nothing to the Giants' present or future.
All playing...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2017 9:37 am : link
Geno accomplished yesterday was ending Eli's streak.

We didn't learn anything more about him (nor were we expected to). He didn't show that the system is better with a different guy

All it did was reinforce the idea that playing eli until Webb is ready to get snaps was the prudent move.
Playing Geno only proved  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 12/4/2017 9:39 am : link
the problem was not Eli...it is and has been the offensive line which goes back to my point that the guy who needs to be canned, along with McAdoo, is Jerry Reese. Long, long overdue.

Also, the fact Reese has said zip since the Eli thing just proves what a weasel he is.
He did OK. Entertainment . check.  
idiotsavant : 12/4/2017 9:46 am : link
But at the press conference where he angrily aired a petty grievance about Rex Ryan.

As if to say 'look at me now', pulling rank within seconds of getting annointed, and right away adding retribution to the mix .. made him look like a graceless POS .

Pass.
Yes  
Toth029 : 12/4/2017 9:46 am : link
He played fine. He did commit a crucial mistake by the GL before half, which was easy points, but he isn't the future. Move on and play Webb.
I agree that Geno played pretty well,  
Section331 : 12/4/2017 9:46 am : link
but I disagree that he kept his eyes downfield as he ran. He continually looked back at the guys chasing him. There were a couple of plays where he ran that had guys open in front of him if he had looked up.

None of that is surprising, he hadn't played in 2 years. There was bound to be rust.
when you talk about Rex ryan at your press conference  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/4/2017 9:47 am : link
you have more work to do than just football. good grief
He's a better fit for our shitty OL than Eli is.  
Heisenberg : 12/4/2017 9:48 am : link
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He didnt play well  
Sammo85 : 12/4/2017 9:51 am : link
Its just that people's expectations were so low to begin with. The stat lines for QBs are always facades/fool-hardy.

If you watched the game, you saw Geno's limitations. He had struggles running through the progressions and reading the defense. Raiders knew he'd go for the easy throws and kept tight man coverage where possible. Except for a few blown coverages by the Raiders and a couple nice throws, Geno didn't show me any wow factor or anything he can do that makes an offense much better.

The Raiders eventually sniffed out the bootlegs that Sullivan was occasionally integrating to let Smith swing out and try and get some time with his feet.

Engram made some really nice catches too to help Geno out. Keep in mind for three straight games with Eli, Engram was dropping passes left and right.

The Raiders outside of two pass rushers in Irvin and Mack have one of the worst defenses in football. Let's not go crazy folks.
I don't see how you could evaluate Smith one way or another  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/4/2017 9:51 am : link
given the variables involved:

-- The Raiders defense is terrible (ranked 32 by football outsiders)
-- Any Giants QB is playing without competent receivers, offensive lineman, or a running game

Overall, I thought the offense looked a lot like when Eli was playing. Unable to either run or protect the QB, which leads to lack of points. There were small tweaks that used Geno's mobility, but he's not Mike Vick.

I guess the point is that there are too many holes to see if Geno could be the starting QB. If you want to start him next year, fine. If not, fine. Ultimately, it will not matter until the surrounding cast is better.
The difference between Geno yesterday  
Chris684 : 12/4/2017 9:55 am : link
and Eli the week before was Evan Engram actually catching the ball and the availability of Sterling Shepard.

And I say that as someone who likes Geno and thinks he's serviceable.

He did nothing more yesterday than what Eli's done all season in this putrid offense.
the only thing I like  
UConn4523 : 12/4/2017 9:55 am : link
is his mobility (but he still gets hit and fumbles) and his arm (but isn't all that accurate).

He's a good solid backup, nothing more.
RE: He didnt play well  
Now Mike in MD : 12/4/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13721957 Sammo85 said:
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Its just that people's expectations were so low to begin with. The stat lines for QBs are always facades/fool-hardy.

If you watched the game, you saw Geno's limitations. He had struggles running through the progressions and reading the defense. Raiders knew he'd go for the easy throws and kept tight man coverage where possible. Except for a few blown coverages by the Raiders and a couple nice throws, Geno didn't show me any wow factor or anything he can do that makes an offense much better.

The Raiders eventually sniffed out the bootlegs that Sullivan was occasionally integrating to let Smith swing out and try and get some time with his feet.

Engram made some really nice catches too to help Geno out. Keep in mind for three straight games with Eli, Engram was dropping passes left and right.

The Raiders outside of two pass rushers in Irvin and Mack have one of the worst defenses in football. Let's not go crazy folks.


I'm not going "crazy." And we have played some really bad defenses the last few weeks and still couldn't do anything. And yes, the Raiders have and personnel, but this offense might have the worst personnel in the NFL.
EE suddenly catching everything in sight  
idiotsavant : 12/4/2017 10:07 am : link
Strange. The single most unnacceptable sin in sports is dogging it to push your guy up.

Let's pray that EE is more mature than that.
RE: 17 Points  
Beer Man : 12/4/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13721873 Tom from LI said:
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265 yards total offense.

not impressed.
+1. He did no better than what the team had been seeing since week one.
RE: EE suddenly catching everything in sight  
rocco8112 : 12/4/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13722012 idiotsavant said:
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Strange. The single most unnacceptable sin in sports is dogging it to push your guy up.

Let's pray that EE is more mature than that.


This seems unfair
I doubt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2017 10:19 am : link
Smith is EE's "guy". If anything Eli playing at the same Alma Mater probably puts him up there.

It is more than likely that EE, as a rookie, is inconsistent.
RE: EE suddenly catching everything in sight  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/4/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13722012 idiotsavant said:
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Strange. The single most unnacceptable sin in sports is dogging it to push your guy up.

Let's pray that EE is more mature than that.


I really don't think EE was dogging it. Likely just going through a rough period. His draft profile says he has had issues with drops in the past.
Evan Engram is breaking rookie TE records left and right....  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2017 10:22 am : link
He has been inconsistent, but not dogging it.
RE: EE suddenly catching everything in sight  
Mr. Bungle : 12/4/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13722012 idiotsavant said:
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Strange. The single most unnacceptable sin in sports is dogging it to push your guy up.

Let's pray that EE is more mature than that.

Geno's first pass attempt was an incompletion to Evan Engram.
Geno looked decent...strong arm, mobile. I don't even blame the  
yatqb : 12/4/2017 10:35 am : link
fumbles on him. That's mostly on the OL, though he's been incredibly prone to fumbles in his short career. But he's not our future, so what was the sense of benching Eli for him?

The fact that Webb still hasn't gotten reps in practice says how far he has to go to become an NFL starter. I'd be scared to put him into a game behind this OL...what a way to ruin a kid QB.

He played. Well EXCEPT for the mistakes  
Vanzetti : 12/4/2017 10:36 am : link
But that’s the problem with guys like Geno: they make mistakes

Eli would have gotten rid of the ball on one or both of the plays where Geno fumbled. The ability to read the defense and make a snap decision is a rare skill
3-4 plays  
jestersdead : 12/4/2017 10:43 am : link
where Geno's feet extended the play and if Eli is qt QB its either a sack or ball thrown away. That said, he didn't light it up and it was a very conservative offense. It was the first time I can remember a 50/50 run to pass ratio

Interesting comments or lack of comments from the coach regarding the fumbles and having to call timeouts in the red zone.
He did exactly what we brought him here to do  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2017 10:44 am : link
Be a serviceable QB if Manning went down. Keep them in games and a chance to win.
Nothing more.
Smith did not make you forget Manning or justify the change. Look what Garoppolo did yesterday, that is what should have been expected if you sat a HOF QB.
You do realize that Oakland Raiders are last in the league  
jlukes : 12/4/2017 10:49 am : link
in terms of quarterback rating of opposing QBs? Yes, the WORST

hard to put any stock in anything yesterday

team defense stats  
jlukes : 12/4/2017 10:49 am : link
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He did play OK  
Matt M. : 12/4/2017 11:10 am : link
and he is a serviceable QB, who may be best suited to be a backup on a good team. But, his play did nothing to change the outlook for this season or beyond. The bottom line is, Geno Smith isn't exactly the guy you want mentoring Webb and/or your top pick. So, what is gained by playing him?
To me the fact that he produce same or slightly better  
NYSports1 : 12/4/2017 11:16 am : link
stats than Eli this year or most of this year tells me we can get the same production that a 20 million a year qb gives us for much less...No?
He played no different than anyone would expect  
moespree : 12/4/2017 11:18 am : link
Geno Smith leading a Ben McAdoo offense to play. Not awful but not great, bad turnovers, uninspiring throws and piss poor offensive plays to work with.

If anything at the QB position should be evaluated for 2018 it's Eli Manning without McAdoo's shitty offensive system.
Don't expect to see Webb  
Dave on the UWS : 12/4/2017 11:18 am : link
if Mac stays as the coach. He believes Geno is his guy.
.....  
Route 9 : 12/4/2017 11:19 am : link
The difference was Engram made two or three nice catches, the one handed catch he had no business hauling in the middle of the field, the catch and run (that almost got picked off) on the first touchdown's drive and maybe another one.

Shepard also plays hard and his catch and run was in a soft defense along the sideline. The Raiders DB was just basically an security guard escorting him down the field running with him, it looked like that the DB was just staring him down the whole time down the field.

I'm glad those two guys showed they can make plays and some guys on defense can make some stops. All is good when Apple isn't playing.

However, benching Eli was to show they had a better shot with Geno and they still LOST. Raiders aren't that good of a team anyway.
RE: To me the fact that he produce same or slightly better  
Matt M. : 12/4/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13722227 NYSports1 said:
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stats than Eli this year or most of this year tells me we can get the same production that a 20 million a year qb gives us for much less...No?
First, Eli's stats for the year aren't bad. The last couple of games were bad. Second, it's not about the production/price tag. This year is done. Geno doesn't give them a better chance to win if it wasn't.

Next year would likely be Eli's last with the Giants. They seem destined, at this point, to draft a QB and they aren't wrong to do so. Do you honestly think it's in the best interests of the franchise to have Geno Smith mentor Webb and a top pick, as opposed to Eli. Look back on 2004. When Eli was the incoming QB, they actually upgraded their veteran QB to have a guy like Warner mentor Eli. This would be the opposite, in downgrading your veteran.
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