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myquealer : 12/4/2017 11:53 am
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Even money says  
oldutican : 12/4/2017 12:13 pm : link
thèse 2 will be hired in those roles. It’s the Mara way to hire people who are familiar and have worked for you. Since 1960 team has had 11 coaches and only 3 had never worked for team previously. The only GM who hadn’t worked for team was the Rozelle forced hiring of Young. Maras operate like a small business and not a billion dollar operation in a highly competitive environment.
RE: Spags  
EricJ : 12/4/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13722808 MookGiants said:
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does not deserve to be the HC, even on an interim basis. The defense has shown pathetic effort in most games this year, that's on him.


I am ok with him finishing out the season but no way to I want him here next year. The guy was a complete disaster in St Louis and was a mini "McAdoo" as it relates to the crap in the locker room and organization. He even fired the equipment manager who was with the team for decades because the guy had a good connection to the players....and that was a threat to him.
RE: Even money says  
dpinzow : 12/4/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13722822 oldutican said:
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thèse 2 will be hired in those roles. It’s the Mara way to hire people who are familiar and have worked for you. Since 1960 team has had 11 coaches and only 3 had never worked for team previously. The only GM who hadn’t worked for team was the Rozelle forced hiring of Young. Maras operate like a small business and not a billion dollar operation in a highly competitive environment.


Almost no chance Spags gets retained but there's no worse than a 50/50 chance that Abrams is GM and it's almost a certainty Abrams will go back to his previous role in the organization, which is OK (Abrams was very good at his role)
RE:  
aka dbrny : 12/4/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13722724 well...bye TC said:
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Cowher's agent"


Has Cowher ever won anything without Labeau?
watch us win out now  
gtt350 : 12/4/2017 12:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: Mission Statement now...  
Section331 : 12/4/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13722770 Matt M. said:
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One would think. This is why I would now go straight to Davis Webb the rest of way. I would do my best to convince Eli that he is the QB for next year, so he stays on to mentor Webb and/or their pick. Now, pray to SF to win a game or two.


I don't think you tell Eli any such thing. It should be up to the new regime what they want to do with Eli and the QB situation. Ownership has meddled enough as it is. As of now, Eli is under contract for 2 more years, if they want to keep him, there is little he can do about it.

That said, it may be in their best interest to make Eli a June 1 cut, and bring in a cheap vet to take the reins for a year. As much as I love Eli, they have to do what is best for the organization, not what is best for Eli.
RE: watch us win out now  
aka dbrny : 12/4/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13722843 gtt350 said:
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Doesn't matter if you pick 1st or 10th unless you (a) have both genius and luck on your side when you pick high, or (b) are willing trade that high pick down for more picks so that you can have more players to compete in camp
RE: Spags  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13722726 Mr. Nickels said:
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should have been promoted over McAdoo last year. He earned it. McAdoo didn't. I wonder how things would have been different. Either way I am very happy to see Spags be listed as a New York Giant head coach.


He was a God awful head coach.
RE: Even money says  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13722822 oldutican said:
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thèse 2 will be hired in those roles. It’s the Mara way to hire people who are familiar and have worked for you. Since 1960 team has had 11 coaches and only 3 had never worked for team previously. The only GM who hadn’t worked for team was the Rozelle forced hiring of Young. Maras operate like a small business and not a billion dollar operation in a highly competitive environment.


Then they might as well have kept McAdoo and Reese.
RE: Abrams could be the GM going forward  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13722768 dpinzow said:
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provided they completely change the player personnel side


Great a bean counter as GM. Let's bring in Sashi Brown and Paul DePodeata to help him out.
Can we rehire McAdoo as DC?  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/4/2017 12:29 pm : link
Cuz he sure knew how to prevent an offense from scoring...
RE: RE:  
Dr. D : 12/4/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13722841 aka dbrny said:
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In comment 13722724 well...bye TC said:


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Cowher's agent"



Has Cowher ever won anything without Labeau?


Until Cowher's team finally won the SB (in about his 14th season), which was largely thanks to Labeau's defense, not to mention some shitty calls by the refs, Cowher had a losing playoff record. Yes, he got them there quite a few times, but overall not that impressive.

Mike Tomlin actually has a more impressive record.
RE:  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/4/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13722724 well...bye TC said:
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Cowher's agent"

And tell him, "no thanks"
Shaun O'Hara  
section125 : 12/4/2017 12:37 pm : link
says Spags is loved by the team, both sides of the ball.
RE: Shaun O'Hara  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13723009 section125 said:
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says Spags is loved by the team, both sides of the ball.


As a HC, he's also loved by the opposing team. On both sides of the ball.
Kim Jones says  
section125 : 12/4/2017 12:39 pm : link
Mara will speak at 2PM..
RE: RE: RE:  
Victor in CT : 12/4/2017 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13722988 Dr. D said:
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In comment 13722841 aka dbrny said:


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In comment 13722724 well...bye TC said:


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Cowher's agent"



Has Cowher ever won anything without Labeau?



Until Cowher's team finally won the SB (in about his 14th season), which was largely thanks to Labeau's defense, not to mention some shitty calls by the refs, Cowher had a losing playoff record. Yes, he got them there quite a few times, but overall not that impressive.

Mike Tomlin actually has a more impressive record.


This. Cowher lost at HOME to the JETS fercrissakes!
I don't mind Abrams stayoing as capologist. Just don't let him  
Victor in CT : 12/4/2017 12:41 pm : link
become the GM like Mike Tannenbaum or John Idzik.
...  
christian : 12/4/2017 12:42 pm : link
Abrams might get the gig - he's widely considered an up-and-comer.
I'm sure it has been indicated to Spags that he will  
regulator : 12/4/2017 12:42 pm : link
have an opportunity to interview for the HC position, but there's no way he gets it. As much as the organization loves him, more often than not, any unit he is involved with is the worst in the league.
Keep them as interim until this offseason  
spike : 12/4/2017 12:42 pm : link
Must lose all four games!
This will give Spags the opportunity to . . . .  
TC : 12/4/2017 12:43 pm : link
audition for his next job. If he is able to show any improvement in the team's play, or even prevent it from going further into the crapper, he may just have a shot at HC, or at least some possibility of being retained if they hire a HC with mainly a background in the offense.
Spags is part of the problem  
Rflairr : 12/4/2017 12:47 pm : link
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RE: This will give Spags the opportunity to . . . .  
Vanzetti : 12/4/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13723063 TC said:
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audition for his next job. If he is able to show any improvement in the team's play, or even prevent it from going further into the crapper, he may just have a shot at HC, or at least some possibility of being retained if they hire a HC with mainly a background in the offense.


Exactly.

He would likely have to do something extraordinary—like winning all the remaining games—to be retained as HC next season. But you want as many candidates as possible for HC

That said, I doubt he is the HC next season
Spags is the HC for 4 games.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/4/2017 12:49 pm : link
If anyone thinks he will be the HC next year, then LOL.
RE: Spags is part of the problem  
Sammo85 : 12/4/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13723088 Rflairr said:
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Spags isn't going anywhere.
Ozzie Newsome as GM/VP  
MotownGIANTS : 12/4/2017 12:53 pm : link
.... but that is too much to ask I know
I'm rooting for Spags  
GiantTuff1 : 12/4/2017 1:05 pm : link
Two Coughlin-ites running the show again in Spags and Sully, ironic huh.

This is interesting indeed.
RE: Ozzie Newsome as GM/VP  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13723129 MotownGIANTS said:
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.... but that is too much to ask I know


He has a job. Also, Baltimore is kind of a mess.
RE: I'm rooting for Spags  
Victor in CT : 12/4/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13723232 GiantTuff1 said:
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Two Coughlin-ites running the show again in Spags and Sully, ironic huh.

This is interesting indeed.


Why? Have you seen his record? Are you aware they are bottom 3rd of the league in every category? That he has 3 of the worst defenses of all time on his resume'? Flopped as a HC? Has issues displining his players? Why the hell would you "root" for Spags?

This is a HOUSE CLEANING. Spags and everyone else needs to go. Even Cockroach Quinn won't survive this on.
I certainly will  
Bluesbreaker : 12/4/2017 1:15 pm : link
Good
BigBluesman : 11:59 am : link : reply
Enjoy these couple of weeks.

I just clicked on a few minutes ago Music to my ears I wasn't gonna watch this weeks game with the Raiders but former classmate and good friend next door neighbor invited
me over to watch the game . I am glad I did and this absolutely had to happen . I agree with most here about
Spags going forward I hope its only temporary and hopefully
a new coach will be found and maybe he will retain Spags best case scenario IMO .
RE: RE: I'm rooting for Spags  
section125 : 12/4/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13723287 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13723232 GiantTuff1 said:


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Two Coughlin-ites running the show again in Spags and Sully, ironic huh.

This is interesting indeed.



Why? Have you seen his record? Are you aware they are bottom 3rd of the league in every category? That he has 3 of the worst defenses of all time on his resume'? Flopped as a HC? Has issues displining his players? Why the hell would you "root" for Spags?

This is a HOUSE CLEANING. Spags and everyone else needs to go. Even Cockroach Quinn won't survive this on.


Aside from the factual 3 worst defenses, some of which were because Rob Ryan ruined the Saints, how do you know about discipline issues?

Also, most 1st time coaches flop.

I also don't disagree about needing to clean house completely..
RE: RE: I'm rooting for Spags  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13723287 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13723232 GiantTuff1 said:


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Two Coughlin-ites running the show again in Spags and Sully, ironic huh.

This is interesting indeed.



Why? Have you seen his record? Are you aware they are bottom 3rd of the league in every category? That he has 3 of the worst defenses of all time on his resume'? Flopped as a HC? Has issues displining his players? Why the hell would you "root" for Spags?

This is a HOUSE CLEANING. Spags and everyone else needs to go. Even Cockroach Quinn won't survive this on.


Let's not get carried away.
Rooting for Spags myself.  
TMS : 12/4/2017 1:56 pm : link
Think he is a top, hard working FB guy and learned a lot these last years. Needs a strong GM who will back him up and offer counsel . The next Belichek maybe ? He deserves another shot if he wants it, but keep him as DC forever.
RE: Rooting for Spags myself.  
jeff57 : 12/4/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13723573 TMS said:
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Think he is a top, hard working FB guy and learned a lot these last years. Needs a strong GM who will back him up and offer counsel . The next Belichek maybe ? He deserves another shot if he wants it, but keep him as DC forever.


Oh, FFS.
Abrams interim  
idiotsavant : 12/4/2017 2:05 pm : link
GM search is the first priority.

". "
Abrams is good at what he's been doing.  
Ira : 12/4/2017 3:10 pm : link
I hope he goes back there after a new gm is hired.
I know people are down on Spags and not sure he should be  
Blue21 : 12/4/2017 4:03 pm : link
the next HC. But if this team could ever score more than 20 points a game, let's say average 24 points a game nobody would be criticizing his defense. Of course if they did that Macadoo would still be head coach. My point is it's not his fault the offense can't score.
St Stephen of the Blitz  
HomerJones45 : 12/4/2017 4:17 pm : link
Has more lives than a cat. His HC record was abysmal and Fewell was a better D.C. Given what he had to work with.
haha - HJ  
LG in NYC : 12/4/2017 4:30 pm : link
at least you are consistent.
RE: St Stephen of the Blitz  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13724186 HomerJones45 said:
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and Fewell was a better D.C.



You're out of your mind.
RE: Spags has at least BEEN a HC before  
Mike From Brielle : 12/4/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13722707 David B. said:
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for better or worse.

Bellicheck was somewhat of a bust in Cleveland before he ended up in New England. Look on the positive side;)!
i loved Spags as DC  
old man : 12/4/2017 5:22 pm : link
His first run.
This current run...especially. the last 2 years...seems he was doing a lot of guessing on his calls...often wrong and costly. I'll discount much of it to WHO'S. our new guy? injuries....but still....
I think EA might pick Abram's and Mara will lean to Spags staying as HC or again forcing a HC to take Spags. EA will tell him "You gotta stop doing that! " And will then say: These are my recommendations..do what you want with them.
Spags as HC  
Default : 12/4/2017 5:22 pm : link
is a positive for those looking to have a top 3 pick!
I am scared  
mrvax : 12/4/2017 5:23 pm : link
of Spags as our head coach. He's best as a DC, like Wade Phillips.
Did Mara in his presser just intimate  
David B. : 12/4/2017 5:35 pm : link
That Marc Ross is staying???

That's baaad. He's more responsible for the draft picks than Reese.
RE: i loved Spags as DC  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2017 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13724332 old man said:
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His first run.
This current run...especially. the last 2 years...seems he was doing a lot of guessing on his calls...often wrong and costly. I'll discount much of it to WHO'S. our new guy? injuries....but still....
I think EA might pick Abram's and Mara will lean to Spags staying as HC or again forcing a HC to take Spags. EA will tell him "You gotta stop doing that! " And will then say: These are my recommendations..do what you want with them.


They were a top 3 defense last season. I don't know what you could criticize Spagnuolo for last year. This year he may have misstepped, but also there was some quit on the defensive roster.
Spags may not even be that great as DC  
TJ : 12/4/2017 7:54 pm : link
I'm pretty sure Spags was DC for the two worst defenses in league history. And it was two different franchises and I think 3 years apart. Can that possibly happen to a guy who is good enough to be a head coach?
RE: Spags may not even be that great as DC  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13724604 TJ said:
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I'm pretty sure Spags was DC for the two worst defenses in league history. And it was two different franchises and I think 3 years apart. Can that possibly happen to a guy who is good enough to be a head coach?


He was also the DC for some top 5 defenses and a super bowl winner. The whole perspective matters.

As to whether he can be a head coach? If he's the head coach, he won't be calling the defense. Just like we don't want offensive head coaches calling plays, why would you want a defensive head coach calling plays? Whether he can be a good head coach isn't so much related to his resume as a coordinator. Players seem to respect him. It's about how he deals with people more than how he designs blitzes once you're a head coach.
RE: Even money says  
Vanzetti : 12/4/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13722822 oldutican said:
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thèse 2 will be hired in those roles. It’s the Mara way to hire people who are familiar and have worked for you. Since 1960 team has had 11 coaches and only 3 had never worked for team previously. The only GM who hadn’t worked for team was the Rozelle forced hiring of Young. Maras operate like a small business and not a billion dollar operation in a highly competitive environment.


Get Uncle Stevie to coach.

And Cousin Kevie can be the GM

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