Not necessarily a new topic - but if you can pick one guy to fill each position, who do you want?
Curious to see where people are looking in the early going.
Are you looking for someone with prior experience... or do you want to roll the dice on a younger guy again?
I've seen Mike Smith's name thrown out there - I wouldn't hate that. I don't think Saban is realistic. I still see some Bill Cowher calls. I don't see that, either.
NE assistants make me nervous - McDaniels would be the one guy I MIGHT consider. Hard pass on Matt Patricia.
The GM call is a lot harder right now.
Who are your picks and why?
For Coach
McDaniels or Shaw
I could live with Mike Smith.
Agree with Wolf as GM, but the chances of Shaw going to the NFL are 1% at best.
A lot of people have speculated about John Harbaugh but he's safe as long as the Ravens make the playoffs. There's also been speculation about Jim Harbaugh wanting to leave Michigan but he's a 3-4 year solution at best. If you go with Jim Harbaugh you are planning on one last run for it with Eli followed by the new QB when he is ready. He's not going to take on a complete rebuild again
It's hard to imagine wanting a Redskins hero being our head coach but Russ Grimm (Titans OL) would be an interesting pick because he would know how to build an OL
Because Coughlin did such a bang-up job as Jags GM, right?
Shaw is an interesting one. I like him as well - not sure it's realistic, though.
The GM's are harder. Pioli doesn't really excite me.
Caserio would. I don't know if we can pry him away from NE, though.
Coughlin was already co-GM here for 12 years.
+1
Did you watch Mike Smith in Atlanta?
A glorified gofer. Do you think a Belichick defensive assistant has any real authority or responsibility?
Do it Mr Mara.
Exactly, and decided it was a great idea to throw money at Matt Cassel. I do like McDaniels though.
Please no. Possibly successful in 2018 but the only question will be how soon he loses the locker room, because he surely will.
They have drafted really well the last few years.
My bigger concern is that he's the DC in TB right now and their defense is really bad.
Harbaugh unlikely to be available.
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Please no. Possibly successful in 2018 but the only question will be how soon he loses the locker room, because he surely will.
To be clear, the Michigan coach.
Did you watch Mike Smith in Atlanta?
I agree he's not the sexiest pick, but he had 2 13 win teams, and averaged 11 wins over his first 5 seasons. Weak division, and he wouldn't be my first choice, but we could do a lot worse.
Abrams can do the numbers, but have Coughlin and perhaps a trusted other guy to push the papers maybe a Gettleman tag team in this... It brings experience back to the FO, winning culture, and TC can help pick the new coach. Plus I think it's a major PR win.
For HC, I am in the McDaniels camp.... he's got his lumps. Matured. Winning program. Innovative, and appears to be a communicator.
Do it Mr Mara.
Brady isnt getting any younger
New England is a one man show. Unless you get that one man, you're making a mistake to take anyone from there.
However, I don't hold all Patriots former assistants in the same light as Pioli, Weis, and Crennell.
Tom Dimitroff rebuilt Atlanta (Patriots scouting director 2003 - 2007)
Jon Robinson - I love what he's done in Tennessee (Patriots scout 2003 - 2013)
Bob Quinn - I like Detroit's improvement (Patriots exec/admin from 2000 - 2015)
Plus Bill O'Brien has had success as a head coach without having a legit NFL QB, which is nearly impossible in today's NFL. With Watson he was likely going to make the playoffs a 3rd year in a row.
not to mention the success in NCAA of guys like Saban or Ferentz. So, I scoff at those who avoid New England because of a) Belichick being the only one possible there that contributes to success or b) the failures of others
Matt Patricia is a more interesting candidate than McDaniels IMO because he doesn't have a Tom Brady, so his defense success is not entwined with perhaps the GOAT at QB.
I don't care if the GM/Coach come from New England, but generally teams get their replacement GM and head coach from a franchise or job where they had success, it's hard to find more successful coordinators than in New England.
I'd be fine with Caserio and Patricia or McDaniels, but I don't feel like it has to be them.
Chris Morgan OL coach from Falcons.
Scarnechia, Dante, the father, brought in by B.B. at Pat's to fix O line. HC maybe?
Morgan huge success at OL at seahawks and falcons former O linesman. Gotta move him up though. OC maybe?
Maybe a consulting role or QB coach role for norv Turner, especially if you end up with newbs at other spots.
Patricia doesn't have Brady on his side of the ball, but he does have Bill. I always felt like Bill was kind of the real DC there. I don't know how much input he has, exactly, but I do assume it's a good bit.
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and David Shaw as HC
Agree with Wolf as GM, but the chances of Shaw going to the NFL are 1% at best.
A lot of people have speculated about John Harbaugh but he's safe as long as the Ravens make the playoffs. There's also been speculation about Jim Harbaugh wanting to leave Michigan but he's a 3-4 year solution at best. If you go with Jim Harbaugh you are planning on one last run for it with Eli followed by the new QB when he is ready. He's not going to take on a complete rebuild again
It's hard to imagine wanting a Redskins hero being our head coach but Russ Grimm (Titans OL) would be an interesting pick because he would know how to build an OL
I sign up for Wolf/Shaw right now
Maybe as a formality - but there's really no reason to think he deserves the job.
Plus Bill O'Brien has had success as a head coach without having a legit NFL QB, which is nearly impossible in today's NFL. With Watson he was likely going to make the playoffs a 3rd year in a row.
I am a fan of O'Brien too. That team was onto something with Watson in the pilot seat.
O'Brien stitched together playoff teams with some putrid QB play the last few years. If McNair lets him go, we should be all over that...
Patricia doesn't have Brady on his side of the ball, but he does have Bill. I always felt like Bill was kind of the real DC there. I don't know how much input he has, exactly, but I do assume it's a good bit.
I hear people say the same thing about the OC (that Belichick is the real OC) and GM (which he is).
It was Belichick who made the call to go for it on 4th and 12 in the SB and 4th and 2 in Indy at his own 25 yard line.
but IMO the people who say that don't really read about how much goes into the Patriots game planning.
They're one of the few NFL teams who actually game plans each week, differently for each opponent.
past two weeks the Patriots rushed for 190+ yards each game. first time that has happened in 20 years.
no way, IMO, Belichick can be THAT involved in game planning/scheming, etc. while handling all the other shit a head coach has to handle.
IMO that's sort of like saying any head coach is also the OC/DC (depending on their background) rather than the actual OC/DC.
He'd probably never leave NE, but he still considers the Giants "home," and he doesn't really have anything more to achieve in NE. If he wanted a new challenge back where it all started, this would be the time. Before Brady retires on him.
And then I'd tell him: "You might as well come. I'm raiding your staff, anyway . . ."
I know. Pipe dream.
If there's one franchise worth mining for FO talent, it's Baltimore. They've been competitive for 2 decades with mediocre QB play thanks to their ability to pick and develop talent.
I believe TC was a BIG part of the OL decline hanging on to guys like DD and Snee too long.
maybe that's changed or maybe the Giants job is that enticing so he changes his mind, but from what I recall in prior years that's been the case.
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Patricia doesn't have Brady on his side of the ball, but he does have Bill. I always felt like Bill was kind of the real DC there. I don't know how much input he has, exactly, but I do assume it's a good bit.
I hear people say the same thing about the OC (that Belichick is the real OC) and GM (which he is).
It was Belichick who made the call to go for it on 4th and 12 in the SB and 4th and 2 in Indy at his own 25 yard line.
but IMO the people who say that don't really read about how much goes into the Patriots game planning.
They're one of the few NFL teams who actually game plans each week, differently for each opponent.
past two weeks the Patriots rushed for 190+ yards each game. first time that has happened in 20 years.
no way, IMO, Belichick can be THAT involved in game planning/scheming, etc. while handling all the other shit a head coach has to handle.
IMO that's sort of like saying any head coach is also the OC/DC (depending on their background) rather than the actual OC/DC.
I'm not going to pretend that I read in detail about how they game plan each week. I just know that Bill has a stelar defensive background (as every NYG fan is aware) and it would surprise me if Patricia was running that unit without a good deal of input from Bill. How much input? I couldn't tell you. I'd just be wary about how much credit I actually gave Patricia for that unit - which has given up a ton of yardage this year anyway.
I believe TC was a BIG part of the OL decline hanging on to guys like DD and Snee too long.
No, no, no, you don't understand - all of the good personnel moves were the genius Tom Coughlin. All of the bad ones were the fault of that fool Jerry Reach.
No, and he lives next to his parents, just had a baby, is in the city where he grew up, and is very happy where he is.
He's not going anywhere.
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Has Jim Harbaugh expressed any desire to leave UM or even CFB in general? I haven't seen anything like that.
No, and he lives next to his parents, just had a baby, is in the city where he grew up, and is very happy where he is.
He's not going anywhere.
That's what I thought.
I'd love to have John but the Ravens would be dumb to part ways with him.
As for HC, I agree I would stay away from NE assistants. I would like a former HC, but how many successful former HC are realistically available and interested?
I said it half jokingly. No one is coming in and running a flexbone spread option. I would just love to see it.
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He is now clearly a "NY Giants" guy, has experience, and the players and management like him.
Maybe as a formality - but there's really no reason to think he deserves the job.
Yeah, I concur. I love Spags, but Francessa just said it on his show. You can't hire a guy from within when the team itself was a failure.
When has that ever worked?? (saying that off the top of my head)..........
Correction 99/1. :)
Paul Johnson is a massive, MASSIVE prick.
For the GM job I would like John Dorsey brought in as president of football operations with Eliot Wolf as the GM. Dorsey could work with Wolf and mentor the young GM. If not Wolf then Dorsey should be given the job as he did an excellent job building KC's roster. He put an emphasis on both lines.