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You Can Pick the Next GM and HC of NYG... Who are They?

arcarsenal : 12/4/2017 12:26 pm
Not necessarily a new topic - but if you can pick one guy to fill each position, who do you want?

Curious to see where people are looking in the early going.

Are you looking for someone with prior experience... or do you want to roll the dice on a younger guy again?

I've seen Mike Smith's name thrown out there - I wouldn't hate that. I don't think Saban is realistic. I still see some Bill Cowher calls. I don't see that, either.

NE assistants make me nervous - McDaniels would be the one guy I MIGHT consider. Hard pass on Matt Patricia.

The GM call is a lot harder right now.

Who are your picks and why?
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RE: Pioli  
bw in dc : 12/4/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13723122 pjcas18 said:
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Plus Bill O'Brien has had success as a head coach without having a legit NFL QB, which is nearly impossible in today's NFL. With Watson he was likely going to make the playoffs a 3rd year in a row.



I am a fan of O'Brien too. That team was onto something with Watson in the pilot seat.

O'Brien stitched together playoff teams with some putrid QB play the last few years. If McNair lets him go, we should be all over that...

I saw on another site  
Bleedin Blue : 12/4/2017 12:58 pm : link
DeCosta from Baltimore discussed. Don't know anything about him, anyone with some insight???
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pjcas18 : 12/4/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13723144 arcarsenal said:
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pj...

Patricia doesn't have Brady on his side of the ball, but he does have Bill. I always felt like Bill was kind of the real DC there. I don't know how much input he has, exactly, but I do assume it's a good bit.


I hear people say the same thing about the OC (that Belichick is the real OC) and GM (which he is).

It was Belichick who made the call to go for it on 4th and 12 in the SB and 4th and 2 in Indy at his own 25 yard line.

but IMO the people who say that don't really read about how much goes into the Patriots game planning.

They're one of the few NFL teams who actually game plans each week, differently for each opponent.

past two weeks the Patriots rushed for 190+ yards each game. first time that has happened in 20 years.

no way, IMO, Belichick can be THAT involved in game planning/scheming, etc. while handling all the other shit a head coach has to handle.

IMO that's sort of like saying any head coach is also the OC/DC (depending on their background) rather than the actual OC/DC.
I think Shaw is more realistic than you think  
AcesUp : 12/4/2017 1:01 pm : link
That's the one good thing about this trainwreck, it wipes the slate clean. That has to be a big selling point. He'll have a top 5 pick to choose his QB for one of the NFL's premiere franchises with historically patient owners. There's still some talent on this roster to play with as well.
Just for shits and giggles, If I'm Mara  
David B. : 12/4/2017 1:02 pm : link
I call Belichick and give him something to think about.

He'd probably never leave NE, but he still considers the Giants "home," and he doesn't really have anything more to achieve in NE. If he wanted a new challenge back where it all started, this would be the time. Before Brady retires on him.

And then I'd tell him: "You might as well come. I'm raiding your staff, anyway . . ."

I know. Pipe dream.
DeCosta is on my short list  
AcesUp : 12/4/2017 1:04 pm : link
The guy is paying his dues under Ozzie Newsome and is considered his heir apparent. I think we can steal him.

If there's one franchise worth mining for FO talent, it's Baltimore. They've been competitive for 2 decades with mediocre QB play thanks to their ability to pick and develop talent.
Knowing the Giants  
Les in TO : 12/4/2017 1:04 pm : link
The current interim GM and coach will get the permanent designation
TC great at evaluating talent and Reese the problem?  
RollBlue : 12/4/2017 1:07 pm : link
Since TC left, what draft pick or FA signing don't you like? Eli Apple at this point - let's see what he looks like with a new coaching staff.
I believe TC was a BIG part of the OL decline hanging on to guys like DD and Snee too long.
DeCosta  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2017 1:08 pm : link
I believe has routinely declined interview requests and is viewed as the Newsome successor.

maybe that's changed or maybe the Giants job is that enticing so he changes his mind, but from what I recall in prior years that's been the case.

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arcarsenal : 12/4/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13723179 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13723144 arcarsenal said:


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pj...

Patricia doesn't have Brady on his side of the ball, but he does have Bill. I always felt like Bill was kind of the real DC there. I don't know how much input he has, exactly, but I do assume it's a good bit.



I hear people say the same thing about the OC (that Belichick is the real OC) and GM (which he is).

It was Belichick who made the call to go for it on 4th and 12 in the SB and 4th and 2 in Indy at his own 25 yard line.

but IMO the people who say that don't really read about how much goes into the Patriots game planning.

They're one of the few NFL teams who actually game plans each week, differently for each opponent.

past two weeks the Patriots rushed for 190+ yards each game. first time that has happened in 20 years.

no way, IMO, Belichick can be THAT involved in game planning/scheming, etc. while handling all the other shit a head coach has to handle.

IMO that's sort of like saying any head coach is also the OC/DC (depending on their background) rather than the actual OC/DC.


I'm not going to pretend that I read in detail about how they game plan each week. I just know that Bill has a stelar defensive background (as every NYG fan is aware) and it would surprise me if Patricia was running that unit without a good deal of input from Bill. How much input? I couldn't tell you. I'd just be wary about how much credit I actually gave Patricia for that unit - which has given up a ton of yardage this year anyway.
RE: TC great at evaluating talent and Reese the problem?  
Greg from LI : 12/4/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13723247 RollBlue said:
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Since TC left, what draft pick or FA signing don't you like? Eli Apple at this point - let's see what he looks like with a new coaching staff.
I believe TC was a BIG part of the OL decline hanging on to guys like DD and Snee too long.


No, no, no, you don't understand - all of the good personnel moves were the genius Tom Coughlin. All of the bad ones were the fault of that fool Jerry Reach.
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RobCarpenter : 12/4/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13723075 arcarsenal said:
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Has Jim Harbaugh expressed any desire to leave UM or even CFB in general? I haven't seen anything like that.


No, and he lives next to his parents, just had a baby, is in the city where he grew up, and is very happy where he is.

He's not going anywhere.
Not my serious answer, but this thread is not complete  
lawguy9801 : 12/4/2017 1:48 pm : link
without...a scowl

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arcarsenal : 12/4/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13723400 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 13723075 arcarsenal said:


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Has Jim Harbaugh expressed any desire to leave UM or even CFB in general? I haven't seen anything like that.



No, and he lives next to his parents, just had a baby, is in the city where he grew up, and is very happy where he is.

He's not going anywhere.


That's what I thought.

I'd love to have John but the Ravens would be dumb to part ways with him.
I honestly don't know.  
Matt M. : 12/4/2017 2:00 pm : link
First, I don't know enough about most of the potential GM candidates. I just know I would like someone from outside the organization.

As for HC, I agree I would stay away from NE assistants. I would like a former HC, but how many successful former HC are realistically available and interested?
I'll tell you who I'd love to see coach in the NFL...  
Go Terps : 12/4/2017 2:06 pm : link
Paul Johnson from Georgia Tech. Anyone that runs an offense that has a 90/10 run/pass ratio is fine by me. That would be fun.
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arcarsenal : 12/4/2017 2:15 pm : link
I'm all about re-establishing ourselves as a more run-heavy/play-action passing team. Especially if Eli is still going to be here. But a 90/10 ratio is extreme. Have to pass a bit more than that. There will be defenses who are too tough up front to force the run against to a degree like that.
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Go Terps : 12/4/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13723704 arcarsenal said:
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I'm all about re-establishing ourselves as a more run-heavy/play-action passing team. Especially if Eli is still going to be here. But a 90/10 ratio is extreme. Have to pass a bit more than that. There will be defenses who are too tough up front to force the run against to a degree like that.


I said it half jokingly. No one is coming in and running a flexbone spread option. I would just love to see it.
RE: RE: I have to say that Spags will be in the mix  
BillKo : 12/4/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13723158 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13723150 PatersonPlank said:


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He is now clearly a "NY Giants" guy, has experience, and the players and management like him.



Maybe as a formality - but there's really no reason to think he deserves the job.


Yeah, I concur. I love Spags, but Francessa just said it on his show. You can't hire a guy from within when the team itself was a failure.

When has that ever worked?? (saying that off the top of my head)..........
RE: I'll tell you who I'd love to see coach in the NFL...  
bw in dc : 12/4/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13723652 Go Terps said:
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Paul Johnson from Georgia Tech. Anyone that runs an offense that has a 90/10 run/pass ratio is fine by me. That would be fun.


Correction 99/1. :)
RE: I'll tell you who I'd love to see coach in the NFL...  
Greg from LI : 12/4/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13723652 Go Terps said:
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Paul Johnson from Georgia Tech. Anyone that runs an offense that has a 90/10 run/pass ratio is fine by me. That would be fun.


Paul Johnson is a massive, MASSIVE prick.
John Dorsey for GM  
Mike in NY : 12/4/2017 5:20 pm : link
I want a defensive guy as HC. I know it seems strange, but with the lack of talent on O I want the HC to bring in an OC that will let what talent we have dictate the scheme versus trying to have to show his O can work. I am not against having a first time HC who has been a successful coordinator. George Edwards, the DC of Minnesota is intriguing. Not to mention he does have experience being in the NFC East so he knows what those rivalries are like.
dont know GMs  
UESBLUE : 12/4/2017 5:27 pm : link
well enough but PLEASE dont try another hotshot assnt or college coach. We need some stability with a proven NFL head coach like a Cowher or a Gruden. Handling the Eli transition to a new QB will require an already respected leader.
As HC  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2017 7:48 pm : link
Jon Gruden - He has done as good of a job as any HC in getting the best out of the QB. I would sell him on keeping Eli for another season while having his choice of which QB he wants in the draft. If they have to trade up then so be it.

For the GM job I would like John Dorsey brought in as president of football operations with Eliot Wolf as the GM. Dorsey could work with Wolf and mentor the young GM. If not Wolf then Dorsey should be given the job as he did an excellent job building KC's roster. He put an emphasis on both lines.
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