why would the Lions let their head of player personnel leave prior to their own draft? Don't they have the same challenges as the Giants do to get their board set up and why they likely have left Ross in place now? Normally when you have a front office transition, it's too late to junk all the reports from the scouts, so they stay through the draft and get let go after it.
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
why would the Lions let their head of player personnel leave prior to their own draft? Don't they have the same challenges as the Giants do to get their board set up and why they likely have left Ross in place now? Normally when you have a front office transition, it's too late to junk all the reports from the scouts, so they stay through the draft and get let go after it.
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
No. It would be seen as a major negative on them as a team and lead to other teams responding in kind against them in future situations. The NFL also would put pressure on them.
I also suspect O'Brien's deputy could take over. There's some redundancy now in front offices in terms of administration and role responsibility (as opposed to years past in the old days).
Either way, I'm not fully sold on O'Brien. I want to know what kind of vision he has for a football team in terms of it's talent, it's coaching needs, it's schemes, etc.
why would the Lions let their head of player personnel leave prior to their own draft? Don't they have the same challenges as the Giants do to get their board set up and why they likely have left Ross in place now? Normally when you have a front office transition, it's too late to junk all the reports from the scouts, so they stay through the draft and get let go after it.
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
I think because it’s a promotion is enough. Teams should let their own interview for a promotion. They could reject, but it’s kind of understood you don’t block an opportunity if it’s a promotion.
True, but he was the assistant GM and the Giants were beginning to push George out the door. Everyone knew that 1997 was his final year as GM and that coach would be his final pick, but Accorsi was going to be part of the future with that coach, so he had a lot of say in the selection.
EA really wanted Saban. I recall him not really wanting Fassel, but accepting it. All I could find is this snippet from EA.
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“George was impressed with Saban; we went and interviewed him,” Accorsi said. “I didn’t know Jim. I never had a problem with him. Was he my choice? No. Would he have been my choice? Probably not. But I thought we cooperated.”
isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
Yes that’s my point and exactly what I said just a few posts prior to that. Running Jags draft from 2014-2015 isn’t a positive mark in my opinion.
isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
Lee is playing well actually. Quite well.
The Bortles evaluation/development questions would be a must. Fowler was drooled over by everybody in the draft process. Development would be my question there. Fowler is contributing though, albeit with a ton of elite talent alongside him now.
Yeldon was a pick O'Brien loved but it hasn't worked.
Yea, on the one hand, he get to play head coach for 4 more games; on the other hand, what are the odds they turn over the Head Coaching job to him full time?
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
Yea, on the one hand, he get to play head coach for 4 more games; on the other hand, what are the odds they turn over the Head Coaching job to him full time?
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
Yea, on the one hand, he get to play head coach for 4 more games; on the other hand, what are the odds they turn over the Head Coaching job to him full time?
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
Let's hope ZERO chance of either. Drop him out the chute right after Ross.
will assist with the hiring process. Excellent head hunter. Left to his own devices , he wanted Charlie Weis to be Giants HC. This gets better every passing hour with these guys.
will assist with the hiring process. Excellent head hunter. Left to his own devices , he wanted Charlie Weis to be Giants HC. This gets better every passing hour with these guys.
It gets hard to remember who gets credit for hiring Coughlin and putting together the roster for the 2005-11 run. Was it the unbelievable incompetence of Accorsi, Reese, Mara or Tisch.
will assist with the hiring process. Excellent head hunter. Left to his own devices , he wanted Charlie Weis to be Giants HC. This gets better every passing hour with these guys.
It gets hard to remember who gets credit for hiring Coughlin and putting together the roster for the 2005-11 run. Was it the unbelievable incompetence of Accorsi, Reese, Mara or Tisch.
Maybe Coughlin hired himself?
Accorsi didn't hire Coughlin. He specifically didn't want to hire Coughlin. Wellington hired Coughlin. Accorsi wanted Coughlin fired by 2006.
Draft strategy - Draft BEEF
Trade strategy - Don't trade with dallas or NE
Media strategy - stay unreachable
Coach - Young guy who has really forward ideas
Gettleman has to be the leading contender. As ESPN noted, the Panthers went 48-27 under his tenure. You could certainly do worse than a guy who's been in NY before, and has had success as a GM.
Gettleman has to be the leading contender. As ESPN noted, the Panthers went 48-27 under his tenure. You could certainly do worse than a guy who's been in NY before, and has had success as a GM.
Almost all of the talent on the Panthers' good teams under Gettleman was in place before he got there.
for Saban, since he wanted Saban as HC in 2004 and the Giants went with TC
He also wanted Saban in 1997 too.
I wouldn't mind this..plus, he as a better idea of college players after having coach there (a la Pete Carroll when he came back into the NFL again) come draft time.
Whichever candidate the Giants ultimately hire, Ernie will tell his media friends that the new GM’s interview was the best he’s ever seen, and that ownership was blown away.
If his recent consulting gigs are any indication, Ernie seems to like slim, handsome first-time GMs, in their late 30s / early 40s, from a personnel background.
I don’t think Gettleman will be a serious candidate, and I don’t think Abrams will make the final cut. Accorsi may have recommended a retread coach like Fox, but he seems to pride himself on picking the new generation of GMs.
Gettleman has to be the leading contender. As ESPN noted, the Panthers went 48-27 under his tenure. You could certainly do worse than a guy who's been in NY before, and has had success as a GM.
Almost all of the talent on the Panthers' good teams under Gettleman was in place before he got there.
Absolutely right. Gettleman received a lot of the credit despite not picking their top players. I am not saying that he did a bad job but he neglected the offensive line despite the obvious need for upgrades.
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
What connections to the team?
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isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
No. It would be seen as a major negative on them as a team and lead to other teams responding in kind against them in future situations. The NFL also would put pressure on them.
I also suspect O'Brien's deputy could take over. There's some redundancy now in front offices in terms of administration and role responsibility (as opposed to years past in the old days).
Either way, I'm not fully sold on O'Brien. I want to know what kind of vision he has for a football team in terms of it's talent, it's coaching needs, it's schemes, etc.
I get that it's a promotion, but what would stop the Lions from simply rejecting the Giants request to interview?
I think because it’s a promotion is enough. Teams should let their own interview for a promotion. They could reject, but it’s kind of understood you don’t block an opportunity if it’s a promotion.
EA really wanted Saban. I recall him not really wanting Fassel, but accepting it. All I could find is this snippet from EA.
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Also, looking at those 2014-15 Jags drafts....I am not inspired with confidence in Kyle O'Brien.
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isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
Yes that’s my point and exactly what I said just a few posts prior to that. Running Jags draft from 2014-2015 isn’t a positive mark in my opinion.
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isn't the GM for the Lions. He's well respected around the league as a GM in the making.
He was in charge of the Jags draft from 2014-2015.
In 2014, the Jags drafted Bortles 3rd overall...in 2015 they took Dante Fowler 3rd overall. The 2nd rounders in those years were TJ Yeldon and Marquise Lee...not a very good haul for 4 top 39 picks
Lee is playing well actually. Quite well.
The Bortles evaluation/development questions would be a must. Fowler was drooled over by everybody in the draft process. Development would be my question there. Fowler is contributing though, albeit with a ton of elite talent alongside him now.
Yeldon was a pick O'Brien loved but it hasn't worked.
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
Minimal at best on both accounts.
And if he doesn't get the job full time, what are the odds a new Head Coach will keep Spags on as DC?
Let's hope ZERO chance of either. Drop him out the chute right after Ross.
Yes!
As opposed to Natefit, who said he saw Accorsi walking his dog but treated the location as if it were TS/SCI classified info.
Yes. Ernie is my friends neighbor. I've met him more than once. Kind of a gruff dude.
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chase Ernie around Manhattan for a few blocks a few years ago and creep him out in a coffee shop or something?
Yes!
As opposed to Natefit, who said he saw Accorsi walking his dog but treated the location as if it were TS/SCI classified info.
I'm not Natefit, but that has happened more than once to me. Like I said previously, he is my friends neighbor.
It gets hard to remember who gets credit for hiring Coughlin and putting together the roster for the 2005-11 run. Was it the unbelievable incompetence of Accorsi, Reese, Mara or Tisch.
Maybe Coughlin hired himself?
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will assist with the hiring process. Excellent head hunter. Left to his own devices , he wanted Charlie Weis to be Giants HC. This gets better every passing hour with these guys.
It gets hard to remember who gets credit for hiring Coughlin and putting together the roster for the 2005-11 run. Was it the unbelievable incompetence of Accorsi, Reese, Mara or Tisch.
Maybe Coughlin hired himself?
Accorsi didn't hire Coughlin. He specifically didn't want to hire Coughlin. Wellington hired Coughlin. Accorsi wanted Coughlin fired by 2006.
Draft strategy - Draft BEEF
Trade strategy - Don't trade with dallas or NE
Media strategy - stay unreachable
Coach - Young guy who has really forward ideas
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chase Ernie around Manhattan for a few blocks a few years ago and creep him out in a coffee shop or something?
Yes!
As opposed to Natefit, who said he saw Accorsi walking his dog but treated the location as if it were TS/SCI classified info.
I think he said it was on the upper east side somewhere. ;)
Reese has been with the franchise since 94 or 97. But he was the recommendation to replace Accorsi himself.
Almost all of the talent on the Panthers' good teams under Gettleman was in place before he got there.
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for Saban, since he wanted Saban as HC in 2004 and the Giants went with TC
He also wanted Saban in 1997 too.
I wouldn't mind this..plus, he as a better idea of college players after having coach there (a la Pete Carroll when he came back into the NFL again) come draft time.
Is that definitely a toupee? Always wondered that. I'm guessing Mike Lombardi has a rug too.
If his recent consulting gigs are any indication, Ernie seems to like slim, handsome first-time GMs, in their late 30s / early 40s, from a personnel background.
I don’t think Gettleman will be a serious candidate, and I don’t think Abrams will make the final cut. Accorsi may have recommended a retread coach like Fox, but he seems to pride himself on picking the new generation of GMs.
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Gettleman has to be the leading contender. As ESPN noted, the Panthers went 48-27 under his tenure. You could certainly do worse than a guy who's been in NY before, and has had success as a GM.
Almost all of the talent on the Panthers' good teams under Gettleman was in place before he got there.
Absolutely right. Gettleman received a lot of the credit despite not picking their top players. I am not saying that he did a bad job but he neglected the offensive line despite the obvious need for upgrades.