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Why start Eli?

HoustonGiant : 12/4/2017 2:26 pm
The OL is going to get a QB killed.

Eli has been beat up for these last few years.

We need to evaluate for the future.

The streak is done, we're 2-10.

Eli has nothing to prove. and he might do well with a rest.
Like I said  
Jints in Carolina : 12/4/2017 2:27 pm : link
Eli should tell them to shove it.
...  
BleedBlue : 12/4/2017 2:27 pm : link
i cant believe it, but i agree....webb should 100% start
appease  
Les in TO : 12/4/2017 2:27 pm : link
the unwashed masses.
Because the name of the game is to win ...  
Spider56 : 12/4/2017 2:29 pm : link
And knock the cowboys out of the playoff picture. Webb has got near zero reps to dare and he would get killed ... playing geno is a waste of time, not to mention the fan reaction to him would be merciless. Chalk the last week up to a bad dream ... that had a good ending and let's get back to Eli frkn Manning.
Because you play to win the game  
rasbutant : 12/4/2017 2:30 pm : link
Not the 1st round draft pick.
RE: Because you play to win the game  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/4/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13723787 rasbutant said:
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Not the 1st round draft pick.


Not really when you're 2-10
RE: appease  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/4/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13723770 Les in TO said:
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the unwashed masses.


You have to start him or they're going to put up mean billboards. Oops, too late.
Webb isn't even dressing  
B in ALB : 12/4/2017 2:33 pm : link
Now you want him to start?
RE: ...  
Section331 : 12/4/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13723769 BleedBlue said:
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i cant believe it, but i agree....webb should 100% start


Webb hasn't taken any practice snaps. This should have been the plan from the beginning - start Eli, give Webb half the practice snaps. Let Webb start games 15 and 16.
LOL  
commonthe0ry : 12/4/2017 2:37 pm : link
Make up your minds guys, I would rock with Eli till he is done (and give Webb some snaps for development in blowouts)
Eli should absolutely start  
BlackLight : 12/4/2017 2:37 pm : link
the next game. Spags knows if he wants to be the next coach, he's going to need to win games, at a minimum. Eli gives him the best chance to do that. And plus, it's the Cowboys, the crowd is going to amped up. Nobody wants to see Davis Webb in that spot.
RE: RE: ...  
BleedBlue : 12/4/2017 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13723815 Section331 said:
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In comment 13723769 BleedBlue said:


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i cant believe it, but i agree....webb should 100% start



Webb hasn't taken any practice snaps. This should have been the plan from the beginning - start Eli, give Webb half the practice snaps. Let Webb start games 15 and 16.



as captain ron says, if anything is gonna happen, its gonna happen out there! lmao


the kid is fine, throw him in the mix. can he do worse than we have been doing? let the kid learn. trial by fire.
RE: appease  
section125 : 12/4/2017 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13723770 Les in TO said:
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the unwashed masses.



Dammit man, you beat me to it!
We can't block for you, we can't run for you, we can't catch for you  
Motley Two : 12/4/2017 2:39 pm : link
and you'll probably be starting with shitty field position for most of the game. You'll be fine. Go get'em, kid!
1) Hoping the team will rally around him v. Dallas.  
CT Charlie : 12/4/2017 2:41 pm : link
2) Mara saves face with Eli.
3) Mara saves face with fans.

These are business decisions WITH REGARD TO THE PLAYERS AND FANS. They aren't necessarily aligned with short-, medium-
or long-term success football success, but they are important for the Maras to preserve their eroding reputation as a good team to root for, to play for, and to set a good example for the NFL. All of these things help the franchise's long-term viability as a profitable franchise.

Real football decisions will fall in the lap of the next GM and coach.
I'm not a fan of  
HoodieGelo : 12/4/2017 2:42 pm : link
the idea of an "on-again, off-again" relationship. If it's done, it's done. I love Eli, and definitely want him to start next season here, but for now there truly is no point.

The streak is dead. Ben and Jerry got the boot. It's just a shit show, so the one positive that can be taken from this is doing evaluating. (God, I've really gotten sick of that word).

Let's make sure we get Webb a good amount of playing time in these upcoming games and try to get an idea of what we've got. It's best for the franchise because there's a lot of good players in the upcoming draft, not just QB's. So, if Webb really has "it," I'd rather keep developing him and ride into the sunset with Eli until his contract expires.
How about the last guy who didn’t start him  
Giant John : 12/4/2017 2:45 pm : link
Is looking for a job. If I’m Spags I speak with the staff but then I start him.
Because Mara doesn't know what he's doing right now  
Giantfan in skinland : 12/4/2017 2:48 pm : link
The Eli benching blew up in his face and he's making decisions in a completely reactionary fashion. The end of this season has been stunningly directionless.
Reasons to Start Eli:  
clatterbuck : 12/4/2017 2:51 pm : link
Gives you the best chance to win. Mara doesn't tank games for draft position.
Webb, who's received very little practice opportunity, just won't be ready to start and play in one week.
It's the Cowboys.
Acknowledges the mistakes and horror of the past week.
Settles the lockerroom.
Keeps options open with Eli going forward.
Geno Smith is a nonfactor and perhaps only McAdoo believed he could be a factor.
Because he gives you the best chance to win  
larryflower37 : 12/4/2017 3:10 pm : link
Football is a violent sport and players put a lot on the line to play every day.
They deserve the best players on the field to give you a chance and reason to play.
We have a top 5 pick and don't have the overall talent to win out but compete against 3 NFC teams at home and maybe catch a win that hurts their playoff chances- Sign me up
Two reasons only  
BigBluesman : 12/4/2017 3:14 pm : link
1. Appease fans
2. Center the initial decision on McAdoo

Two reasons that do not help this football team in '17 or '18.
Who is your best QB.  
AnnapolisMike : 12/4/2017 3:16 pm : link
That is who you start. It's really not that hard.

Playing Webb based on some thought that it will tell you something is ludicrous. Starting Webb if he is not ready to start is only going to hurt his development. If he is ready...and better than Eli in practice...he should start.

It's really not that hard.
I have been one of the biggest supporters of Eli  
Matt M. : 12/4/2017 3:22 pm : link
and one of the biggest proponents of firing Reese and McAdoo. With that in mind, I don't think they should start Eli. With the streak no longer even a thought in the decision making process, they should be elevating Webb to starter to see what he does with 4 games of preparing, studying film, and playing.
Eli should start...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/4/2017 3:32 pm : link
until Webb can get some reps.

Mac was such a genius, that he planned a QB change without working Webb into the mix - which is probably the biggest fail in the entire decision and what blew up in his face when Eli took the demotion instead of the plan to start and then go with Geno.

Geno should never have been part of the equation.
There has been zero indication that Webb is ready to see any game  
Britt in VA : 12/4/2017 3:34 pm : link
action yet people here want him thrown out there at all costs.

I don't get it.
Why not?  
BigBluesman : 12/4/2017 3:34 pm : link
Geno held down #2 all year. He didn't play worse than Eli. Maybe he could remain our backup next year. I had no problem with seeing him in there.
Dress Webb  
Rong5611 : 12/4/2017 4:01 pm : link
I think you dress him this week and get him reps in practice. If he has a good practice, make him the #2, Geno #3.
RE: Eli should start...  
wonderback : 12/4/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13724041 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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until Webb can get some reps.

Mac was such a genius, that he planned a QB change without working Webb into the mix - which is probably the biggest fail in the entire decision and what blew up in his face when Eli took the demotion instead of the plan to start and then go with Geno.

Geno should never have been part of the equation.


It's unfortunate and I'm not a Mac apologist. The only way this would have worked is if Webb was the number 2 QB. Than he would have gotten the reps necessary to have a fighting chance. That became impossible given the Giants belief they were a Super Bowl contending team. If Eli got hurt they felt, rightly so, that Geno gave them the best chance at winning at couple of games till Eli got healthier.

In today's NFL you're lucky to have enough practice time for two QB's let alone three. There simply was no time to give Webb and no time to fast forward his development.

Now that the season is a shit show and you want to evaluate Webb to see whether you want to invest another high round draft choice in a QB, you're fucked.

There was no way around it. You would have had to be clairvoyant to get this right. And none of us thing that Mac had that ability.
If it wasn't the Cowboys  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/4/2017 5:10 pm : link
I would favor looking at Webb. But why help Jerry Jones? We need to get some payback here, and the Dallas D is not as good as Oakland's or Philly. As much as as I think we need to see more of Webb, I hate the Cowboys more. Eli can exploit the holes in the Dallas D better than Webb at this point.
“Eli is going to get killed”  
UConn4523 : 12/4/2017 5:16 pm : link
been reading that for years and hasn’t happened yet. But let’s say that was true, what the fuck is Webb going to do?
RE: RE: Eli should start...  
Giantfan in skinland : 12/4/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13724147 wonderback said:
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It's unfortunate and I'm not a Mac apologist. The only way this would have worked is if Webb was the number 2 QB. Than he would have gotten the reps necessary to have a fighting chance. That became impossible given the Giants belief they were a Super Bowl contending team. If Eli got hurt they felt, rightly so, that Geno gave them the best chance at winning at couple of games till Eli got healthier.

In today's NFL you're lucky to have enough practice time for two QB's let alone three. There simply was no time to give Webb and no time to fast forward his development.

Now that the season is a shit show and you want to evaluate Webb to see whether you want to invest another high round draft choice in a QB, you're fucked.

There was no way around it. You would have had to be clairvoyant to get this right. And none of us thing that Mac had that ability.


That was true in the preseason. When they hit the bye at 1-6 with OBJ and Marshall out for the season, Webb should have been elevated to #2.
RE: RE: RE: Eli should start...  
wonderback : 12/4/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13724402 Giantfan in skinland said:
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In comment 13724147 wonderback said:


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It's unfortunate and I'm not a Mac apologist. The only way this would have worked is if Webb was the number 2 QB. Than he would have gotten the reps necessary to have a fighting chance. That became impossible given the Giants belief they were a Super Bowl contending team. If Eli got hurt they felt, rightly so, that Geno gave them the best chance at winning at couple of games till Eli got healthier.

In today's NFL you're lucky to have enough practice time for two QB's let alone three. There simply was no time to give Webb and no time to fast forward his development.

Now that the season is a shit show and you want to evaluate Webb to see whether you want to invest another high round draft choice in a QB, you're fucked.

There was no way around it. You would have had to be clairvoyant to get this right. And none of us thing that Mac had that ability.



That was true in the preseason. When they hit the bye at 1-6 with OBJ and Marshall out for the season, Webb should have been elevated to #2.


True, but McAdoo was never going to do that. Which is another good reason for firing him.
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