One thing which is kind of sad in this is that Reese did help put together 2 Super Bowl championship teams and had been with the organization for over 20 years. Maybe when some time passes, we should actually do an appreciation thread for what he has done for the team, but it's hard to do so this year.
That said, firing Reese is not something that we Giants fans have seen in a generation as with Young to Accorsi to Reese, Giants GMs were more like Supreme Court Justices, serve until they are gone. But there is one offshoot of this which we have not seen since Young took over, and that is a new critical eye looking at the current roster and talent. Specifically, a look at the draft picks.
It's human nature for a GM to give a preference to players that they drafted, particularly players picked in the first 2 days of the draft. With a new GM coming in, all that will change. Players can no longer potentially rest on their draft position. The new GM will not have that attachment, nor should he. That means a very critical eye on some players who might have been brought back or kept on the roster simply because Reese drafted them.
Off the top of my head, that would put Pugh and Richburg in a tougher spot going into free agency. That means Flowers will be judged for his play, not because he was a first rounder. Other guys like Jay Bromley figure in this equation too. And last but not least, even Odell.
This is a historic day for the Giants and a chance to turn around a malaise which has really been on this team since the 2012 season went sour. And I'd love to see another talent evaluator come in here and be brutally honest with what this roster has on it.
Starting with Eli Apple.
Starting with Eli Apple.
Apple is a great case in point. The new GM won't care that he was taken high in the first round. If he's an immature head case who dogs it and the film doesn't lie, maybe we see more trades, similar to what the Eagles did after they decided to wipe the Chip Kelly stink off of them.
Aside from some difficult personal behaviors, he is still one of the top 3 wide receivers in the league and gives us a much better chance of winning games when he is out there.
So he has more Terrell Owens than Jerry Rice in him, we can live with that and we should.
This end of season into offseason will be the busiest one for the Giants in a long time.
I doubt Odell is going to go anywhere as well. However, his ask for that contract might not get the traction he thinks and we will see where it goes from there.
Also, Tom Rock had an interesting tweet quoting Mara where John would like Odell to be a part of the Giants, but it is ultimately up to the new GM. Even though the new coach will have input on the roster, Mara was distinct in keeping the personnel powers separate from coaching.
We are in uncharted waters.
I think the purge is the FAs Reese picked up who aren’t producing — the linebackers, Vereen, Dwayne Harris, Marshall, etc.
1. Engram
2. Shepard
3. Tomlinson
4. Snacks
5. Collins
6. OBJ
7. Gallman
8. Jenkins
9. Flowers
10. DeOssie
I could say Vernon, Eli, JPP, Webb, DRC, Apple could be safe, but between the cost and review of the game tape I could see trades or outright cuts.
1. Engram
2. Shepard
3. Tomlinson
4. Snacks
5. Collins
6. OBJ
7. Gallman
8. Jenkins
9. Flowers
10. DeOssie
I could say Vernon, Eli, JPP, Webb, DRC, Apple could be safe, but between the cost and review of the game tape I could see trades or outright cuts.
You might want to pay attention to the salary cap.
where did you read that? Sounds like a worthwhile read.
May want to wait a bit before giving uo on Apple. He's still only 22 with a lot of potential. Maybe a new coach will be able to get him to focus on the game.
Wouldn't be surprised to see a DE replaced.
A new GM/coach could decide to run a 3-4 or switch to a power running game.
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In the top 10 has set this team back years.
May want to wait a bit before giving uo on Apple. He's still only 22 with a lot of potential. Maybe a new coach will be able to get him to focus on the game.
Apple certainly needs to improve his effort, but he also needs to improve his technique. He is still grabby and fails to track the ball in the air. The same knock on him that he had when he was coming out. There is a $12.4M dead cap if he is released/traded. Will the new GM want to explore a trade? At most, he would return a 2nd round pick.
It's not improbable a new GM decides to do just this and cuts everyone over 30.
It's not improbable a new GM decides to do just this and cuts everyone over 30.
Not just old and overpaid. There are no more sacred cows. Some players due to the excessive cap hits can't be released/traded. Others that are young and cost controlled might yield a greater return in draft assets than the new GM would be willing to invest in time and future money. (Apple/OBJ)
THIS! I think this will have the biggest impact on our team.
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There are about 10 guys in this roster that are pretty safe:
1. Engram
2. Shepard
3. Tomlinson
4. Snacks
5. Collins
6. OBJ
7. Gallman
8. Jenkins
9. Flowers
10. DeOssie
I could say Vernon, Eli, JPP, Webb, DRC, Apple could be safe, but between the cost and review of the game tape I could see trades or outright cuts.
You might want to pay attention to the salary cap.
I totally understand the cap and wasn't saying the others would be cut, obviously OV, JPP and Eli are the 3 highest paid players in the team, but depending on the cost and dead money, Eli could be released ( GM may want more cap space/draft picks ) JPP could be traded as well. Vernon is probably safe but between his low production and kneeling he would a target down the road of an early exit from NYG.
But it is a good thing that an outside set(s) of eyes will come in to evaluate what is here. I doubt that is lost on Mara. This is the second time in 4 years the team thought they had Super Bowl talent and the second time they were grossly incorrect. I don't think this team is nearly as bad talent wise as 2013, but poor coaching made it worse.
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In comment 13724789 Rjanyg said:
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There are about 10 guys in this roster that are pretty safe:
1. Engram
2. Shepard
3. Tomlinson
4. Snacks
5. Collins
6. OBJ
7. Gallman
8. Jenkins
9. Flowers
10. DeOssie
I could say Vernon, Eli, JPP, Webb, DRC, Apple could be safe, but between the cost and review of the game tape I could see trades or outright cuts.
You might want to pay attention to the salary cap.
I totally understand the cap and wasn't saying the others would be cut, obviously OV, JPP and Eli are the 3 highest paid players in the team, but depending on the cost and dead money, Eli could be released ( GM may want more cap space/draft picks ) JPP could be traded as well. Vernon is probably safe but between his low production and kneeling he would a target down the road of an early exit from NYG.
I'm sorry but you say you understand the cap, but then you say JPP could be traded. His contract is an albatross, but he can't be traded. To do so, we eat approx. $22M in dead cap.
The thing that really scare sme is Ross and team still in charge of the draft.I pray that they get a competent GM ASAP and he shows Ross the door first thing.
Apple is a maturuty issue. They will need a no nonsense DC and 2ndary coach to rein him in.
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In comment 13724848 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13724789 Rjanyg said:
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There are about 10 guys in this roster that are pretty safe:
1. Engram
2. Shepard
3. Tomlinson
4. Snacks
5. Collins
6. OBJ
7. Gallman
8. Jenkins
9. Flowers
10. DeOssie
I could say Vernon, Eli, JPP, Webb, DRC, Apple could be safe, but between the cost and review of the game tape I could see trades or outright cuts.
You might want to pay attention to the salary cap.
I totally understand the cap and wasn't saying the others would be cut, obviously OV, JPP and Eli are the 3 highest paid players in the team, but depending on the cost and dead money, Eli could be released ( GM may want more cap space/draft picks ) JPP could be traded as well. Vernon is probably safe but between his low production and kneeling he would a target down the road of an early exit from NYG.
I'm sorry but you say you understand the cap, but then you say JPP could be traded. His contract is an albatross, but he can't be traded. To do so, we eat approx. $22M in dead cap.
So you can't trade a player for players/picks and/or cash?