Please Hire Nick Caserio as our new GM

If they hire cesario guaranteed mcdaniels is the new coach..

how much value anyone has over there with BB calling the shots. I can't decide if I'm all for this or if this would be a terrible idea...

patriots assistant under belichick who has panned out? don't trust it.

In comment 13724935 japanhead said:

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patriots assistant under belichick who has panned out? don't trust it.

bill obrien?

I'd rather bring in a GM that didn't have the qb and still showed promise.

Executive tree? Yes
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And can we finally get rid of Quinn!!!!!

In comment 13724938 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13724935 japanhead said: Quote: patriots assistant under belichick who has panned out? don't trust it. bill obrien?

jury's out but yea forgot obrien was in NE before PSU

I read that Cesario and McDaniels almost ended up in San Francisco together but McDaniels wanted to stay in NE... then there were conflicting reports of it maybe being Louis Riddick and McDaniels. In any event there are rumblings both are ready for a big opportunity.

I think having a fresh set of eyes from a winning program like New England would be great. I also like McDaniels as a candidate a lot too. Wasn't he the OC under Spags for the Rams?

Anyhow, it's super important the GM and coach are joined at the hip. Cesario and McDaniels are former college friends and teammates, so their relationship appears solid and goes way back...

At least you know for certain these guys got each others back and will see the situation a similar way, or will be agreeable to a consensus. Not sure that has happened all that much here prior, and I think was a root of some major problems with TC and Reese at the end.

Beuller....Beuller.....Beuller

In comment 13725174 GiantTuff1 said:

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I also like McDaniels as a candidate a lot too. Wasn't he the OC under Spags for the Rams?

I like McDaniels too, but his year as Spags OC is not a check in his favor. That was one of the worst offensive teams of the last 20 years.

In comment 13725201 Victor in CT said:

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Beuller....Beuller.....Beuller

Bill O'Brien (playoffs back to back years with no QB, Ryan Mallett and Tyler Yates started games for them). Three consecutive 9 - 7 seasons with garbage at QB. until this year and until Watson was injured.

Nick Saban

Kirk Ferentz

from an executive standpoint
Tom Dimitroff
Bob Quinn
Jon Robinson

almost 25 years ago. It's a bit of a stretch to connect him to Belichick in any meaningful way.

In comment 13725366 Greg from LI said:

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almost 25 years ago. It's a bit of a stretch to connect him to Belichick in any meaningful way.

even Saban was Def Co there. Same thing. Both had their success in college football, not the NFL.

In comment 13725366 Greg from LI said:

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almost 25 years ago. It's a bit of a stretch to connect him to Belichick in any meaningful way.

Most coaching trees are like that, loosely related. It was his first NFL job. Belichick also hired one of Ferentz sons - they're considered "close".

Saban has the same (Browns) connection though Saban was DC.

In comment 13725366 Greg from LI said:

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almost 25 years ago. It's a bit of a stretch to connect him to Belichick in any meaningful way.

So you're saying that guys who worked under belichick have little to no chance at being successful when on their own? The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. They are just as likely to succeed or fails as anyone else. I refuse to believe that coaching under belichick is bad for your career.

His Patriots coordinators who have gone on to be head coaches are:

Weis - disaster at Notre Dame, will never be a head coach again
Crennel - 28-55 as an NFL HC
Mangini - 33-47
McDaniels - 11-17, was pretty much run out of town on a rail
O'Brien - jury's still out. Has been OK with Houston.


Saban was his DC in Cleveland, of course. Fantastic college coach, but he was 15-17 in Miami.

So, yeah, I think there are plenty of good reasons to be wary of Belichick assistant coaches.

But it's very possible he's learned from it and has improved. BB certainly was not a rousing success in his first HC job in Cleveland. And McDaniels has been very patient since then waiting for the right opportunity.

I'm intrigued by him. Ask him the tough questions about his tenure in Denver. But I wouldn't rule him out just because of a bad two years, eight years ago.

In comment 13725201 Victor in CT said:

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Beuller....Beuller.....Beuller

*Bueller

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His Patriots coordinators who have gone on to be head coaches are: Weis - disaster at Notre Dame, will never be a head coach again Crennel - 28-55 as an NFL HC Mangini - 33-47 McDaniels - 11-17, was pretty much run out of town on a rail O'Brien - jury's still out. Has been OK with Houston. Saban was his DC in Cleveland, of course. Fantastic college coach, but he was 15-17 in Miami. So, yeah, I think there are plenty of good reasons to be wary of Belichick assistant coaches.

Don't forget Al Groh.

You can look at each situation and the answer is probably somewhere between the guy just wasn't a good head coach or it was a bad opportunity.

Weis and Crennel were not good head coaches, but Crennel has had DC success at least away from Bill.

I think McDaniels had some arrogance humbled and some tough scenarios.

He turned Cutler into two first round picks a third round pick and Kyle Orton.

Turned Brandon Marshall into two 2nd round picks and replaced him with Demaryius Thomas

the way he was regarded by his DC (Mike Nolan) and other coaches (Todd Haley) is more alarming to me than even drafting Tebow.

sometimes failure humbles. though his recent blow up with Brady on the sidelines gives me caution.

no idea whose to blame but McDaniels is not my first choice.

I don't give a shit what he looks like I like the way Matt Patricia game plans defensively, and there was no $250 million dollar investment there. Butler is a UDFA turned all-pro, they moved McCourty to safety, they constantly get contributions from low $$ investments and throughout the season the defense gets coached up and improves as the season gets later. They lost their best player for the season and let others go (Collins, Jones, Ryan), yet still they scheme and improve.

that's good coaching IMO.

You always have to wonder just how much of that defense is Matt Patricia's work and how much is Bill Belichick's.

I'm with Greg - BB assistants aren't interesting to me. McDaniels has pretty much only succeeded with Tom Brady.

I want someone who squeezes the most out of average talent. Pat Shurmer is enticing because of that.

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You always have to wonder just how much of that defense is Matt Patricia's work and how much is Bill Belichick's.

Agree, I think it's like that with all coaches and their coordinators when the coach is known as offensive or defensive.

even more when the coach is as iconic as Belichick.

Dean Pees is thriving in Baltimore out of Belichick's shadow. Maybe the top D in the league right now, definitely top 5.

Crennel is doing well and has done well as a DC outside of Belichcik

so when you look at their track records of having good defenses elsewhere, not sure the logic tracks to their D being good because of Belichick.

they might just not have been good head coaches.

Other than Pees, I don't think he's ever been a head coach yet.

even Scott Pioli. Why Look what they have done year after year with the Patriots Oline?! Even their depth is better then the Giants starters?!

Bill Parcells has never won anything with Bill Belichick.

Josh McDaniels > Bill Parcells.