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Macadoos Hiring

mattyblue : 12/5/2017 1:14 am
I have been reading this website religiously since I found it just prior to when all the talk began about Eli wanting to come to NY. I never really post so I apologize if this has been talked about already and I missed it. I have a lot of respect for a great deal of posters who are more knowledgeable than myself when it comes to HC/GM candidates around the league. I hear a lot of names and was wondering what the general consensus was when Macadoo was hired? With names like McDaniels, Patricia, Shaw out there I know a lot of people have strong opinions on who is going to be good and who won’t. I didn’t love the Macadoo hiring myself because it seemed to me that if you were firing Coughlin they all should have gone. However, as I don’t recall what was being said and discussed about the Macadoo hiring, were people excited? He didn’t seem like a hot commodity at the time whether or not Philly was going to interview him. Were those more knowledgeable than myself on board with it? Also, what would make you confident or what do you look for in going with someone that is a coordinator or young college coach this time around? Sorry if this has been discussed but I respect the opinions of a lot of posters and was just looking for everyone’s take.
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huygens20 : 12/5/2017 2:07 am : link
There was some trepidation because he was only a "QC" guy in green bay.

There was some concern that he would that Eli would be completely in shotgun the entire time (which ended up happening hte moment TC got fired) because everyone knew at the time that Eli was not a shotgun QB

But general consensus was that the front office was to be trusted
Thanks for  
mattyblue : 12/5/2017 2:15 am : link
the response. I completely see what you are saying about the formation. What do you look for out of coordinators trying to make the jump? It does seem like the Patriots guys haven’t worked out, but I have to wonder if that is just bad luck in some cases.
also  
huygens20 : 12/5/2017 2:21 am : link
I distinctly remember TCs last season, people were unhappy with the offensive playcalling.


There was one possession vs Dallas near the end of the season where we literally threw 4 straight fades for incomplete at the goal line.


A lot of people believed that TC was diluting the offense and that Mcadoo would be better off if he was allowed to use his full playbook.
Yes  
mattyblue : 12/5/2017 2:27 am : link
I recall that as well. It seemed that our entire offensive was revolving around Beckham taking over games. One thing is for sure, we need to have gameplans to force teams to pay attention to nearly anyone/anything else. The inability to get teams out of triple covering Beckham was frustrating to watch.
"The grass is always  
Allen in CNJ : 12/5/2017 5:04 am : link
greener..."
Can someone explain to me why Patricia  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/5/2017 6:39 am : link
is getting thrown around as a candidate? He isn't exactly lighting the world on fire.
The McAdoo hiring was such a monumental eff up by  
Brown Recluse : 12/5/2017 6:50 am : link
this front office and really showed them to be incompetent. Two more seasons wasted.

And to think back on how most of us laughed at the Eagles for hiring a doof like Doug Pederson.
The vast majority of BBI was on board with McAdoo  
twostepgiants : 12/5/2017 7:02 am : link
And the reasons were continuity as he had this great relationship with Eli and we couldnt make Eli learn a new offense as McAdoo had "fixed" it from Gilbride.

Id also say the overwhelming majority of BBI was against the Eli Manning trade to begin with.

And the overwhelming majority loved Jerry Reese back in the day with the mantra "In Reese We Trust".

Ive learned on BBI and in life, the prevailing sentiment is usually wrong
I didn't like his big suit  
exiled : 12/5/2017 7:07 am : link
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Not true, twostep  
Modus Operandi : 12/5/2017 7:41 am : link
There were quite a few posters opposed to the McAdoo promotion, particularly since he hasn't done a lot at that point to distinguish himself and also since we seemed to have been spooked into the hire as PHI was set to interview him.

I also don't recall many posters being against the Eli trade. Seems to be much revisionist history on your part.
RE: I didn't like his big suit  
mfsd : 12/5/2017 7:48 am : link
In comment 13725071 exiled said:
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That always bothered me too. We got into some pretty good debates about whether it was something to get in a twist over. Maybe it was a silly thing to worry about, but I couldn't help it - he looked like a god damned jackass.
Msfd  
Modus Operandi : 12/5/2017 7:56 am : link
You're being promoted to coach an NFL franchise and ostensibly being well compensated for it. The least you can do is not look like a dumbest at the press conference.

He looked like a picked a suit off the rack from Marshalls.
Mac's hiring  
upstatenyg : 12/5/2017 8:37 am : link
Was clouded and rushed by the Eagles interviewing him and TC, There may have been a belief that if Mac went to Philly, we wouldn't have another viable candidate.

At the time, there was no reason to think he couldn't be a success. The offensive played decent while he was OC.
RE: also  
GiantTuff1 : 12/5/2017 8:47 am : link
In comment 13725019 huygens20 said:
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I distinctly remember TCs last season, people were unhappy with the offensive playcalling.


There was one possession vs Dallas near the end of the season where we literally threw 4 straight fades for incomplete at the goal line.


A lot of people believed that TC was diluting the offense and that Mcadoo would be better off if he was allowed to use his full playbook.


There's some truth to this.

I didn't necessarily want TC gone, but if they were going to make a move then I thought keeping McAdoo would be good considering Eli was coming off two of his most productive seasons stats wise after the nightmare 2013 season, and perhaps there was something to build on here. Plus the urgency to have continuity and not a total rebuild considering where Eli was in his career.

And it did appear there was some meddling on McAdoo's offense, which was the big question... was TC holding McAdoo back? Because when McAdoo came in he wanted to run a blazing pace like Chip Kelly... then suddenly it was slowed and people though well is that McAdoo's doing or TC forcing himself on Bens offense?

But hindsight is always 20/20 and it appears if there were meddling it was Coughlin's input into McAdoo's O that literally made it somewhat redeemable and not the predictable nightmare and disaster we've come to realize it as the past 2 seasons.

I thought we would still be slinging it downfield with McAdoo, that his O would introduce more of a rhythm for Eli and simply cut down on the miscommunications of the option route system that underscored Cough-Bride's O... I stand corrected... I never expected this passing offense to be the equivalent to Dan Reeves play calling... 3 yard slants and a cloud of dust... rinse, repeat in ALL situations... then punt. It was terrible and it was a philosophy that has turned out to be terrible for Eli and likely laughable to opponents. 13 personell for 95% of plays? That's the equivalent of beating your head into a wall and choosing to continue to do it.

I was a supporter of McAdoo's... others in the organization were apparently too for him to be the guy... But sometimes you just don't know what you don't know. And now we know...

I don't think they will ever make the mistake of not selecting a guy who first has leadership, communication, and creative / intuitive abilities to read the situation or the media... up the wazoo, ever again...

I pray they get this next slate of hires right, and these guys have the light of God inside of them to lead us to a fitting end to one golden age (Eli's) and into another.
I didn't like the McAdoo hiring at the time  
Section331 : 12/5/2017 8:47 am : link
because I didn't think he had accomplished that much as OC. Early on as OC, I thought his scheme was too vanilla, but it did get better through his first season at OC.

In the end, I thought Giants' brass panicked when word leaked that Philly was not going to let him out of the building without signing him. Could have been gamesmanship by Philly, if so, well played.
What we didn't know when TC was fired  
Dave on the UWS : 12/5/2017 8:48 am : link
was that the offense was a hybrid of Mac's principles and TC's offense. Once Coughlin left we can now see what Mac's offense was-crap!!
RE: Not true, twostep  
twostepgiants : 12/5/2017 9:24 am : link
It is true. I was here. I made the arguments and had heated battles

Of course there were some who differed. Thats why i used words like "majority"

The dissenting opinion in 2015 was from thise who wanted to keep Coughlin. By the time McAdoo was hired most TC supporters were on McAdoos side.

I was part of a very small contingent who actually wamted someone new from the outside. I wanted Marrone. I did not find much support on that.

Back in 04- the vast majority (80-90%) were against the trade. I was in Giants Stadium on Draft Day and there was a near revolt when the trade happened. People ripping their jerseys off and throwing them in garbage. Most left very fast when it was announced Eli was coming. Very few remained when Eli Manning arrived at the Stafium and those lucky few, maybe 100-150. Were brought on field to see Eli snd he was interviewed by Sid Rosenberg and given his jersey.

Most wanted Robert Gallery. Some wanted to trade down for Ben or Rivers. A handful wanted Taylor. Very, very few wanted to trade up for Eli. I had soooo many arguments on here about that. I wanted Eli at any price and that was why I went to the Draft Day Party thst day to see it unfold.




In comment 13725104 Modus Operandi said:
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There were quite a few posters opposed to the McAdoo promotion, particularly since he hasn't done a lot at that point to distinguish himself and also since we seemed to have been spooked into the hire as PHI was set to interview him.

I also don't recall many posters being against the Eli trade. Seems to be much revisionist history on your part.
why TC was gone  
giantfan2000 : 12/5/2017 9:34 am : link
people forget
Giants were record breaking leaders in injuries players for 3 seasons in a row

Many on board thought TC should go because of his refusal to change his S & C coaches
most interesting thing to me about  
japanhead : 12/5/2017 9:42 am : link
mcadoo's hiring is that reese was apparently opposed to it. shows he has some sense. too bad he didn't have enough to fire marc ross years ago.
RE: The vast majority of BBI was on board with McAdoo  
montanagiant : 12/5/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13725065 twostepgiants said:
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And the reasons were continuity as he had this great relationship with Eli and we couldnt make Eli learn a new offense as McAdoo had "fixed" it from Gilbride.

Id also say the overwhelming majority of BBI was against the Eli Manning trade to begin with.

And the overwhelming majority loved Jerry Reese back in the day with the mantra "In Reese We Trust".

Ive learned on BBI and in life, the prevailing sentiment is usually wrong

You are correct
I wasn't keen on it. I wanted Doug Marrone.  
Red Dog : 12/5/2017 12:17 pm : link
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I wasn't in love with the idea of firing coughlin  
djm : 12/5/2017 1:01 pm : link
I got it, but I didn't love it. I talked myself into that and mcadoo like i usually do. Can't blame the Giants for moving on and going with the younger guy who was climbing the NFL ladder. But you can sure as hell blame them for the actual hire.

I know it pisses some off about moving on already but I can't help shake the belief that we should have stuck with coughlin. Something tells me everything remains as is if he's still coaching the team. Maybe that's not a good thing but I'd love to have seen what this franchise could do with coughlin utilizing Eli, Beckham and the fortifications in 2016-2017. First off there probably would have been different fortifications brought in, especially this past offseason. Ok well, at least now the Giants are finally blowing it all up and not taking half measures. Sometimes half measures can work but they didn't here.
RE: RE: Not true, twostep  
GiantTuff1 : 12/5/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13725328 twostepgiants said:
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It is true. I was here. I made the arguments and had heated battles

Of course there were some who differed. Thats why i used words like "majority"

The dissenting opinion in 2015 was from thise who wanted to keep Coughlin. By the time McAdoo was hired most TC supporters were on McAdoos side.

I was part of a very small contingent who actually wamted someone new from the outside. I wanted Marrone. I did not find much support on that.

Back in 04- the vast majority (80-90%) were against the trade. I was in Giants Stadium on Draft Day and there was a near revolt when the trade happened. People ripping their jerseys off and throwing them in garbage. Most left very fast when it was announced Eli was coming. Very few remained when Eli Manning arrived at the Stafium and those lucky few, maybe 100-150. Were brought on field to see Eli snd he was interviewed by Sid Rosenberg and given his jersey.

Most wanted Robert Gallery. Some wanted to trade down for Ben or Rivers. A handful wanted Taylor. Very, very few wanted to trade up for Eli. I had soooo many arguments on here about that. I wanted Eli at any price and that was why I went to the Draft Day Party thst day to see it unfold.




In comment 13725104 Modus Operandi said:


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There were quite a few posters opposed to the McAdoo promotion, particularly since he hasn't done a lot at that point to distinguish himself and also since we seemed to have been spooked into the hire as PHI was set to interview him.

I also don't recall many posters being against the Eli trade. Seems to be much revisionist history on your part.



Marrone was a guy I wanted too if they were going "outside"...

Good on you going and supporting Eli. You had more foresight than most of us.

I thought if the Giants shored up the o-line, and choose Gallery, who was being touted as a can't miss 10-year starter, that Collins and co could lead another charge to the Super Bowl.

I wasn't anti Eli, but that's what I genuinely thought. I'm glad to stand corrected. And when the trade went down, I was actually excited. I felt bad for Kerry Collins, but it was a clear signal of a new direction, and the excitement of having a Manning in New York after years of passing futility, gave us something to look forward to.
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