that is to say, some of the past attempts to re-create the situation in New England with either GM or HC. This is why names like Caserio, Pioli and McDaniels worry me.
Wolf is intriguing both due to blood lines and what the Packers have been able to build through the draft.
We can all be comforted by the fact that Jerry Reese was Ernie's hand-picked successor.
Peter Schrager had dropped Kyle O'Brien before Reese was fired as one to watch. This morning, he put a list together. Check the segment below. Big Blue GM Ones to Watch - ( New Window )
The problem was not hiring Jerry Reese. The problem was not firing him soon enough.
The Giants won 2 Super Bowls with Jerry Reese as GM. He didnt craft the team or philosophy but he had a huge role.
The 2007 team he drafted Bradshaw, Smith, Boss. He signed Kawika Mitchell. He oversaw hiring of Spags as DC.
The 2011. He drafted JPP, Nicks. He signed Cruz, Canty, Boley. He oversaw DC change from Sheridan to Fewell
He made contract moves with good deals to Justin Tuck and didnt make mistakes by resigning Mitchell or Gibril Wilson.
Reese plsyed a big role in winning 2 SBs and derserves credit for that. We shouldnt regret his hiring. We should regret that we didnt fire him in 2013.
And Accorsi should credit for for him
Reese could get talent in and supplement a ready made team (HC/QB in place, philosophy of pass rushers) so in many wats he was perfect GM in 2007-2013)
But his fault was he couldnt build a team which is why he should have been fired when that team fell apart in 13 and he had no answers
10 years as GM and 3 decades in the org is pretty extensive and he made some of the best draft picks in team history outside of the top 10. OBJ obviously but also JPP, Collins, Nicks, Steve Smith, Tuck, L. Joseph and now hopefully Engram & Tomlinson too. I don't think it's a stretch at all to think we will miss his talent evaluation, he was just a terrible roster builder.
Green Bay's teams are good because of Roger's. They really stink without him.
I disagree. They draft very well, the problem with their personnel is that Ted Thompson refuses to sign FA's. It's hard to build depth that way. Not saying that Wolfe is a good candidate, but I wouldn't rule him out based on the way Thompson operates.
Green Bay's teams are good because of Roger's. They really stink without him.
But wasn't there a time where GB' percentage of draft picks on their roster was tops on the league...meaning, they didn't use free agency but rather guys they scouted, drafted, and signed as draft free agents?
They had some really good rosters over the years, Rodgers notwithstanding.
of Glauber’s list, will be a candidate for possible GM openings this year. Didn’t hear anything tying him to the Giants, just that he was a well regarded personnel guy with Philly and Washington, who’s been doing his homework as an ESPN analyst the last few years to prepare for a GM job in the future. He’s also apparently tight with McDaniel, and they could go somewhere together as GM/HC
as GM. They wanted Scott Pioli. Bob Kraft gave the Giants permission to interview him and Pioli turned it down. It was a long time ago to remember this, but Kraft was getting a bum rap as a guy who wouldn't spend money in free agency, hence the Pioli/Belichick rumors back in the 2007 off season. What would appear to have happened was going into that season, Kraft relented and agreed to pony up money, bringing in Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc. So Pioli agreed to pass on the interview. That then led to the Giants quickly turning around and hiring Reese.
And I agree with twostepgiants. Reese as a hire was fine. The problem was they let him stay on too long. For me, Reese's downward spiral began with that stupid Super Bowl clock in the locker room of a team that started 0-6.
In the end, with such a high pick coming and Eli nearing the end of his career, the Giants had no choice but to start this thing over.
and assuming that the Giants will operate in the same form and fashion we are accustomed to is dangerous. I have a sneaking suspicion, or perhaps wishful, thinking that ownership is going to step outside its comfort zone and look beyond the likely suspects.
I usually always agree with you, but Reese was over his head and arrogant. Six years and he can't rebuild an OL, even when spending three high draft picks on the position? Linebackers? Don't need them. Re-signing players like John Jerry?
Jerry earned that promotion with his sterling work as scouting director, and it's not as if he were a disaster from day one. He had his successes.
I never bought into the Reese hype of him as a top three GM. I don't buy into him being a garbage GM now, either. I can certainly see him go elsewhere and have success - and I wanted his ouster.
I was a bit stunned to see him fired before the season was over. He must have had a larger role in the Eli mess than let on.
I usually always agree with you, but Reese was over his head and arrogant. Six years and he can't rebuild an OL, even when spending three high draft picks on the position? Linebackers? Don't need them. Re-signing players like John Jerry?
Remember too.....it's human nature to get cocky when you win two SB's - however they were won. That's some hardware to back you up when any comes after you and criticizes.
You start believing your way is the only way..........
that he inherited solid foundations on both the OL and DL that allowed him to focus on the bright shiny skill positions. And as long as those lines held up it created the sense that his team philosophies were correct and working. Once they started to decline, Reese's theories were challenged-- and he proved unable to adapt.
that is to say, some of the past attempts to re-create the situation in New England with either GM or HC. This is why names like Caserio, Pioli and McDaniels worry me.
Wolf is intriguing both due to blood lines and what the Packers have been able to build through the draft.
Same here, huge red flag to get anyone from the foxboro franchise. They rarely work out elsewhere and one has to wonder how much that is due to the fact that while they are there they are enhanced by a "system" that makes them look far better than they are.
That effect translates to players, coaches, and GMs - many failures and very few even mediocre positives. I'd stay away from any name associated with them.
Also, McDaniels is a snake - only coach to be associated with a spygate scandal at two different locations. The pats had no problem with that (go figure) so they welcomed him back with open arms, but I don't trust for second that he will be successful anywhere else. The shine is fake.
The problem was not hiring Jerry Reese. The problem was not firing him soon enough.
The Giants won 2 Super Bowls with Jerry Reese as GM. He didnt craft the team or philosophy but he had a huge role.
The 2007 team he drafted Bradshaw, Smith, Boss. He signed Kawika Mitchell. He oversaw hiring of Spags as DC.
The 2011. He drafted JPP, Nicks. He signed Cruz, Canty, Boley. He oversaw DC change from Sheridan to Fewell
He made contract moves with good deals to Justin Tuck and didnt make mistakes by resigning Mitchell or Gibril Wilson.
Reese plsyed a big role in winning 2 SBs and derserves credit for that. We shouldnt regret his hiring. We should regret that we didnt fire him in 2013.
And Accorsi should credit for for him
Reese could get talent in and supplement a ready made team (HC/QB in place, philosophy of pass rushers) so in many wats he was perfect GM in 2007-2013)
But his fault was he couldnt build a team which is why he should have been fired when that team fell apart in 13 and he had no answers
In comment 13725236 Eric from BBI said:
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We can all be comforted by the fact that Jerry Reese was Ernie's hand-picked successor.
good point. he should have been canned in 2015 along with TC and ALL the coaches and scouts. That was the time to start over.
I usually always agree with you, but Reese was over his head and arrogant. Six years and he can't rebuild an OL, even when spending three high draft picks on the position? Linebackers? Don't need them. Re-signing players like John Jerry?
Remember too.....it's human nature to get cocky when you win two SB's - however they were won. That's some hardware to back you up when any comes after you and criticizes.
You start believing your way is the only way..........
The ‘11 SB win was a blessing and a curse. The OL struggled all year, Reese pulled Blackburn off his couch and they still won the championship. After that, Reese probably thought he could get the team “in the tournament” consistently with subpar OL play and JAGs at LB.
Jerry earned that promotion with his sterling work as scouting director, and it's not as if he were a disaster from day one. He had his successes.
I never bought into the Reese hype of him as a top three GM. I don't buy into him being a garbage GM now, either. I can certainly see him go elsewhere and have success - and I wanted his ouster.
I was a bit stunned to see him fired before the season was over. He must have had a larger role in the Eli mess than let on.
Not necessarily, if you're absolutely sure you're getting rid of the coach, and 80/20 on getting rid of the GM once you make the decision to get rid of the coach before the end of the season you pretty much need to get the GM search started so you can move on coaches after black monday.
Most of those names are interesting to me because they are Â
connected to the Trader Joes in the NFL. I want an aggressive GM who is not afraid to listen to trade offers. Someone who is not afraid to pick up a phone!
expressed and others. He ignored the deterioration of the offensive line or its aging and tried to fill with lower round draft picks. But, at the same time, he let the defensive line deteriorate thus forcing a $200M expenditure.
But what I believe is even worse is that there never seemed to be a plan on what Reese wanted the Giants to be. Under TC/Gilbride, the Giants ran the ball and made a lot of big plays. We had Shockey, then Boss, then Ballard as our tight ends. They were also good blockers. But we could not run the ball as the line got older and we did not replenish guys like Snee, McKenzie, Diehl, Seubert. Baas was a bad signing in that he was virtually injured from day one.
I firmly believe you have to have a philosophy of how you want to build your team and keep to that philosophy as much as you can. Thus, having a philosophy directs you to the type of player you want to draft etc. Everything revolves around that philosophy...not just players but coaches and scouts also. You don't waste your time, for the most part, looking at players who you believe do not fit your philosophy.
The Giants, historically, have been a team built on defense. New York fans appreciate that and recognize its value hence we should always be looking, drafting or signing players that continue to keep the defense strong. I also believe that in the NorthEast you have to be able to run the ball, especially with the winds at the Meadowlands. What I am getting at is I have no idea what the Giants philosophy is or what they are looking for? When I look at Pittsburgh, I know exactly what their philosophy is and how they want to build their team. They draft accordingly and it has been pretty successful for them.
To me, the biggest issue for a new GM and then a new coach is what kind of team do we want to be. Then you sign players, draft players, get free agents that match that philosophy and you keep doing that, year after year. That way you maintain consistency and players know, when they are drafted by the Giants, what is expected from them and how they are supposed to play. Until we rediscover that, I think we will continue to suffer. You can't keep bouncing back from one way of playing to another. You have to have consistency as an organization in terms of how you want to play and therefore the type of players you seek.
will not be the choice. McDaniels did some weird stuff in a brief stint with Denver but he has been solid as a rock with the Patriots. I think he was young and had to much on his plate in Denver.
I wouldn't mind McDaniels and Shaw might be quite interesting (as HC).
As Bill Polian said yesterday, the most difficult thing in the league is projecting success. Valid for front office positions as well, no?
Even the best (except BB) go sour after time. I think Marc Ross is a major contributor to the downfall.
Wolf is intriguing both due to blood lines and what the Packers have been able to build through the draft.
Peter Schrager had dropped Kyle O'Brien before Reese was fired as one to watch. This morning, he put a list together. Check the segment below.
Big Blue GM Ones to Watch - ( New Window )
The problem was not hiring Jerry Reese. The problem was not firing him soon enough.
The Giants won 2 Super Bowls with Jerry Reese as GM. He didnt craft the team or philosophy but he had a huge role.
The 2007 team he drafted Bradshaw, Smith, Boss. He signed Kawika Mitchell. He oversaw hiring of Spags as DC.
The 2011. He drafted JPP, Nicks. He signed Cruz, Canty, Boley. He oversaw DC change from Sheridan to Fewell
He made contract moves with good deals to Justin Tuck and didnt make mistakes by resigning Mitchell or Gibril Wilson.
Reese plsyed a big role in winning 2 SBs and derserves credit for that. We shouldnt regret his hiring. We should regret that we didnt fire him in 2013.
And Accorsi should credit for for him
Reese could get talent in and supplement a ready made team (HC/QB in place, philosophy of pass rushers) so in many wats he was perfect GM in 2007-2013)
But his fault was he couldnt build a team which is why he should have been fired when that team fell apart in 13 and he had no answers
In comment 13725236 Eric from BBI said:
Tom Donahoe Senior Football Advisor
My shortlist.
Make Joe Douglas the man. He's an Ozzie guy.
Paton and Pat Shurmer from the Vikings would be a good combo.
As would a Gettleman/Mike Shula Carolina connection.
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Although not a big name.
Paton and Pat Shurmer from the Vikings would be a good combo.
As would a Gettleman/Mike Shula Carolina connection.
Gettleman/Mike Shula? You should never offer an opinion on football again.
I disagree. They draft very well, the problem with their personnel is that Ted Thompson refuses to sign FA's. It's hard to build depth that way. Not saying that Wolfe is a good candidate, but I wouldn't rule him out based on the way Thompson operates.
But wasn't there a time where GB' percentage of draft picks on their roster was tops on the league...meaning, they didn't use free agency but rather guys they scouted, drafted, and signed as draft free agents?
They had some really good rosters over the years, Rodgers notwithstanding.
Agree Greg......Reese earned the promotion because he was excellent at what he did - being a scout/director.
He just lost his way as the GM, which happens sometimes as people go up the ladder.
I'm sure JR is hired by someone, maybe not GM, but he'll most likely be a good piece in someone's organization.
And I agree with twostepgiants. Reese as a hire was fine. The problem was they let him stay on too long. For me, Reese's downward spiral began with that stupid Super Bowl clock in the locker room of a team that started 0-6.
In the end, with such a high pick coming and Eli nearing the end of his career, the Giants had no choice but to start this thing over.
I think Donahoe might be on the older side, perhaps too old for the Giants.
I never bought into the Reese hype of him as a top three GM. I don't buy into him being a garbage GM now, either. I can certainly see him go elsewhere and have success - and I wanted his ouster.
I was a bit stunned to see him fired before the season was over. He must have had a larger role in the Eli mess than let on.
Remember too.....it's human nature to get cocky when you win two SB's - however they were won. That's some hardware to back you up when any comes after you and criticizes.
You start believing your way is the only way..........
Wolf is intriguing both due to blood lines and what the Packers have been able to build through the draft.
Same here, huge red flag to get anyone from the foxboro franchise. They rarely work out elsewhere and one has to wonder how much that is due to the fact that while they are there they are enhanced by a "system" that makes them look far better than they are.
That effect translates to players, coaches, and GMs - many failures and very few even mediocre positives. I'd stay away from any name associated with them.
Also, McDaniels is a snake - only coach to be associated with a spygate scandal at two different locations. The pats had no problem with that (go figure) so they welcomed him back with open arms, but I don't trust for second that he will be successful anywhere else. The shine is fake.
agree
The problem was not hiring Jerry Reese. The problem was not firing him soon enough.
The Giants won 2 Super Bowls with Jerry Reese as GM. He didnt craft the team or philosophy but he had a huge role.
The 2007 team he drafted Bradshaw, Smith, Boss. He signed Kawika Mitchell. He oversaw hiring of Spags as DC.
The 2011. He drafted JPP, Nicks. He signed Cruz, Canty, Boley. He oversaw DC change from Sheridan to Fewell
He made contract moves with good deals to Justin Tuck and didnt make mistakes by resigning Mitchell or Gibril Wilson.
Reese plsyed a big role in winning 2 SBs and derserves credit for that. We shouldnt regret his hiring. We should regret that we didnt fire him in 2013.
And Accorsi should credit for for him
Reese could get talent in and supplement a ready made team (HC/QB in place, philosophy of pass rushers) so in many wats he was perfect GM in 2007-2013)
But his fault was he couldnt build a team which is why he should have been fired when that team fell apart in 13 and he had no answers
In comment 13725236 Eric from BBI said:
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We can all be comforted by the fact that Jerry Reese was Ernie's hand-picked successor.
good point. he should have been canned in 2015 along with TC and ALL the coaches and scouts. That was the time to start over.
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I usually always agree with you, but Reese was over his head and arrogant. Six years and he can't rebuild an OL, even when spending three high draft picks on the position? Linebackers? Don't need them. Re-signing players like John Jerry?
Remember too.....it's human nature to get cocky when you win two SB's - however they were won. That's some hardware to back you up when any comes after you and criticizes.
You start believing your way is the only way..........
The ‘11 SB win was a blessing and a curse. The OL struggled all year, Reese pulled Blackburn off his couch and they still won the championship. After that, Reese probably thought he could get the team “in the tournament” consistently with subpar OL play and JAGs at LB.
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Jerry earned that promotion with his sterling work as scouting director, and it's not as if he were a disaster from day one. He had his successes.
I never bought into the Reese hype of him as a top three GM. I don't buy into him being a garbage GM now, either. I can certainly see him go elsewhere and have success - and I wanted his ouster.
I was a bit stunned to see him fired before the season was over. He must have had a larger role in the Eli mess than let on.
Not necessarily, if you're absolutely sure you're getting rid of the coach, and 80/20 on getting rid of the GM once you make the decision to get rid of the coach before the end of the season you pretty much need to get the GM search started so you can move on coaches after black monday.
But what I believe is even worse is that there never seemed to be a plan on what Reese wanted the Giants to be. Under TC/Gilbride, the Giants ran the ball and made a lot of big plays. We had Shockey, then Boss, then Ballard as our tight ends. They were also good blockers. But we could not run the ball as the line got older and we did not replenish guys like Snee, McKenzie, Diehl, Seubert. Baas was a bad signing in that he was virtually injured from day one.
I firmly believe you have to have a philosophy of how you want to build your team and keep to that philosophy as much as you can. Thus, having a philosophy directs you to the type of player you want to draft etc. Everything revolves around that philosophy...not just players but coaches and scouts also. You don't waste your time, for the most part, looking at players who you believe do not fit your philosophy.
The Giants, historically, have been a team built on defense. New York fans appreciate that and recognize its value hence we should always be looking, drafting or signing players that continue to keep the defense strong. I also believe that in the NorthEast you have to be able to run the ball, especially with the winds at the Meadowlands. What I am getting at is I have no idea what the Giants philosophy is or what they are looking for? When I look at Pittsburgh, I know exactly what their philosophy is and how they want to build their team. They draft accordingly and it has been pretty successful for them.
To me, the biggest issue for a new GM and then a new coach is what kind of team do we want to be. Then you sign players, draft players, get free agents that match that philosophy and you keep doing that, year after year. That way you maintain consistency and players know, when they are drafted by the Giants, what is expected from them and how they are supposed to play. Until we rediscover that, I think we will continue to suffer. You can't keep bouncing back from one way of playing to another. You have to have consistency as an organization in terms of how you want to play and therefore the type of players you seek.