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Gruden leaves door open??

superspynyg : 12/5/2017 8:54 am
I did not see this discussed will delete if it is.


Last night the MNF host told Gruden that the over/under is 35 to 1 on him and the Giants. He asked Gruden if we should take the over or under.

Gruden answered the under if Eli stays.


Interesting. Did not slam the door on that!!
oh for crying out loud  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 8:55 am : link
Make it stop. Gruden would be a very uninspiring pick.
decent coach  
bc4life : 12/5/2017 8:59 am : link
but his Lomabardi due in part to Dungy defense and and him bringing Raider playbook with him to the SB
RE: oh for crying out loud  
Danny Kanell : 12/5/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13725250 Greg from LI said:
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Make it stop. Gruden would be a very uninspiring pick.


With all due respect, who would be inspiring to you? I’ve noticed you’ve basically trashed every name that’s been thrown around. There’s only so many options.
RE: decent coach  
Section331 : 12/5/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13725259 bc4life said:
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but his Lomabardi due in part to Dungy defense and and him bringing Raider playbook with him to the SB


And Callahan not changing any of the calls even though he was facing their former HC.
Among the names that have been mentioned?  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 9:03 am : link
John Harbaugh if the Ravens can him. Maybe Frank Reich or Pat Shurmur.
Gruden is yesterday's news  
jeff57 : 12/5/2017 9:04 am : link
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I know John Harbaugh's name has been thrown around  
Section331 : 12/5/2017 9:06 am : link
a lot, but I don't see how he's available if BALT makes the playoffs. Shurmer intrigues me too, he's done an amazing job with Case Keenum.
I would be happy  
jtfuoco : 12/5/2017 9:09 am : link
With Gruden I would trust him grooming the new QB coming in and I like his coaching style.
Newsome  
bc4life : 12/5/2017 9:17 am : link
won't let Harbaugh go. They're reloading
over/under?  
theold5j : 12/5/2017 9:18 am : link
doesn't make any sense
Ravens are a consistently  
bc4life : 12/5/2017 9:20 am : link
competitive team. Harbaugh great coach, by many reports a great human being. You have to overlook a lot of good to great history and have great confidence in an untested entity to let him go
I heard that too and thought it was interesting  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2017 9:20 am : link
Other jobs he said no way, this one he said if Eli stays go under (ie take the odds). My top choices would be Harbaugh (the Baltimore one) and Gruden. These guys are experienced NFL head coaches who have won numerous times in the career. Sure they have also lost, but such is life in the NFL

By the way CNBC guys are making fun of McAdoo. Cramer and the two other hosts this AM.
Hope  
joeinpa : 12/5/2017 9:21 am : link
Not
RE: Among the names that have been mentioned?  
figgy2989 : 12/5/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13725273 Greg from LI said:
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John Harbaugh if the Ravens can him. Maybe Frank Reich or Pat Shurmur.


You mean the same Pat Schurmur who did a bang up job being the HC and also calling plays for the Browns? I know he is on another level, but isn't that the same shit we just had with Mac?

I don't find that very inspiring either....I would be all in on John Harbaugh though.
RE: oh for crying out loud  
djstat : 12/5/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13725250 Greg from LI said:
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Make it stop. Gruden would be a very uninspiring pick.
WHY?
I remember  
silverfox : 12/5/2017 9:23 am : link
Gruden saying when asked if he could build a team around one player,he said he'd take either of the Manning brothers. Just saying...
I heard that too...  
BillKo : 12/5/2017 9:24 am : link
and thought it was more Gruden - yet another outsider - supporting Eli and putting the Giants down for what they did last week.
Gruden  
Giantophile : 12/5/2017 9:31 am : link
is my top choice, by a wide margin.

John Harbaugh will not be available.
Gruden..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2017 9:41 am : link
was 57-55 with TB in 7 seasons, the last being in 2008.

Not sure why he gets so much attention for job openings. He was a decent coach and won a SB, but he isn't some genius waiting in the wings.

I really don't think he wants to coach again anyway. He was burnt out after TB, which is why he stepped away. The guy is fun off the field and a prankster, but he's told many people he was killing himself working as a HC.
Gruden, Cowher, et al  
JonC : 12/5/2017 9:43 am : link
these dudes haven't coached a football team in a DECADE.

Moving on ...
Hard to hold the Browns against Shurmur  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 9:45 am : link
Zombie Vince Lombardi wouldn't be able to make that organization a winner. Shurmur is doing a terrific job in Minnesota.

Fats spelled out my objections to Gruden nicely. He's been out of the league for a decade. He was a supposed offensive guru whose offenses in Tampa were never more than mediocre. He won a title via the defense Tony Dungy built and because Bill Callahan has the common sense of a tree stump.
RE: Gruden..  
Section331 : 12/5/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13725382 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Not sure why he gets so much attention for job openings. He was a decent coach and won a SB, but he isn't some genius waiting in the wings.


Because he's on TV, and people think he knows what he's talking about. I would file him under the least inspiring hire we could find.
Greg  
figgy2989 : 12/5/2017 9:55 am : link
I hear you on not holding the Browns against him, but I am just not a fan of Schurmur. He is doing a good job with a journeyman QB right now in Minnesota, but I just don't see him as a HC. Just my opinion of course.
Fair enough  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 9:59 am : link
I don't know that he'd be my first choice, but I find him much more appealing than the likes of Gruden, McDaniels, or Jim flippin' Schwartz
RE: Gruden..  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13725382 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was 57-55 with TB in 7 seasons, the last being in 2008.

Not sure why he gets so much attention for job openings. He was a decent coach and won a SB, but he isn't some genius waiting in the wings.

I really don't think he wants to coach again anyway. He was burnt out after TB, which is why he stepped away. The guy is fun off the field and a prankster, but he's told many people he was killing himself working as a HC.


In something like 11 seasons he won his division like 5 times and won a SB. He also turned around a crappy Raiders team. Thats about as good a resume as we will be able to find.
I want Sean Payton...  
KingBlue : 12/5/2017 10:03 am : link
He is under contract, however, I have read the Saints would entertain a trade. Long-shot, no doubt.
I'm not sure about Shurmer's  
Simms11 : 12/5/2017 10:08 am : link
personality or connection to players, but he's done a bang up job, not only with offense in Philly and Vikings, but with QBs while he was there as well. Foles also was developed in Philly by Shurmer. He was in a bad situation in Cleveland, but still won 11 games in 2 years. How's Hue Jackson doing?! Remember BB also was a HC in Cleveland and was not cery good there either. I think Shurmer would be a terrific choice.
You did bring up Frank Reich though...  
figgy2989 : 12/5/2017 10:11 am : link
I am not a big fan of Boomer (or his opinion for that matter), but he is a big advocate of his and said he his a tireless worker who spends a lot of time in the film room. He seems to be doing a good job with Wentz and looks to have a good feel for the players. He also did a good job with Rivers in SD. Was there a reason that Lynn didnt retain him?
I'd be really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2017 10:12 am : link
happy if John Harbaugh or Arians shakes loose, but I don't know if either will happen.

But, I'd be open to a first time coach too. In theory, Mac was a decent choice until it became apparent he stuck to a rigid scheme, had poor communication skills and tried to undermine certain players.

If we can get a guy with a flexible offense, excellent communication skills and somebody who has their pulse on the team - I'm on board.
If Eli is staying  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2017 10:21 am : link
I’d like Cowher, Gruden or either Harbaugh. If it’s some newbie QB then go ahead and experiment with someone with no street cred.
RE: I'd be really..  
Matt M. : 12/5/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13725445 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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happy if John Harbaugh or Arians shakes loose, but I don't know if either will happen.

But, I'd be open to a first time coach too. In theory, Mac was a decent choice until it became apparent he stuck to a rigid scheme, had poor communication skills and tried to undermine certain players.

If we can get a guy with a flexible offense, excellent communication skills and somebody who has their pulse on the team - I'm on board.
I never thought McAdoo was a good choice. He was a middling position coach and QC coach before being hired here as OC. He didn't have such a long resume.
After the work he has done with QB's  
Jay on the Island : 12/5/2017 10:27 am : link
Like Gannon, Griese, and 40 year old Jeff Garcia I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with Gruden. He would help turn Eli back into a good starting QB while developing the 1st round pick.

I would be very happy with John Harbaugh or Arians but Arians will likely retire if he is fired.
RE: After the work he has done with QB's  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13725470 Jay on the Island said:
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Like Gannon, Griese, and 40 year old Jeff Garcia I don't understand why anyone would have an issue with Gruden. He would help turn Eli back into a good starting QB while developing the 1st round pick.


Hire him as OC or QB coach then. I don't want him as a head coach.
RE: Gruden..  
bigbluescot : 12/5/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13725382 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was 57-55 with TB in 7 seasons, the last being in 2008.

Not sure why he gets so much attention for job openings. He was a decent coach and won a SB, but he isn't some genius waiting in the wings.

I really don't think he wants to coach again anyway. He was burnt out after TB, which is why he stepped away. The guy is fun off the field and a prankster, but he's told many people he was killing himself working as a HC.


He's thought off as a great offensive coach (which is probably overstating it a good bit: the 1999 Oakland Raiders is the only top 5 offense Gruden has ever HC'd) which is why his name keeps coming up.

But he's been out of the coaching game for nearly 8 years now.

He might have the notion of coming back in the back of his mind, but like Cowher I think the work/live balance will always mean that the opportunity won't be right.
And, again, there's the fact that his brother is in the NFCE  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 10:33 am : link
Coaching against your brother every once in a while might not be a big deal, but when your brother coaches a hated division rival who you play twice a year? That's a bit different.
I can only..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2017 10:35 am : link
think of one guy who took an extended absence and came back to win - Vermiel.

Gruden gets discussed every year - as does Cowher and each year they are still out of the league. Gruden last season was 2008 and people still refer to him as a QB guru and offensive genius.

Jim Fassel was pretty good with QB's and he went to a SB, and I doubt anyone would sign up for him.
Gruden did a good job with the Raiders too  
MetsAreBack : 12/5/2017 10:50 am : link
Took them out of last place and made the playoffs 2 of 4 years, including an AFCCG appearance and a brutal 'tuck rule' loss in NE.

So its somewhat disingenous to only look at the Bucs, which were obviously stacked when he arrived... but were old and untalented towards the end of his tenure too.

I'm also not concerned about him being stale - unlike Cowher who i see vacationing on Bald Head Island for most of every summer.. he's seemed to have stayed a lot closer to the game, to the young QBs and college game/trends,etc. And his brother is an active head coach and son is on that staff too so just seems like he'd be a lot better positioned off a layoff than Cowher would.

But obviously his ego is likely off the charts too and he's not a guy i'd roll the red carpet as far as giving him GM AND COACH duties to... so if there's a match there, i'm supportive. If not, there will be other good candidates.
The fact is  
BlueManCrew : 12/5/2017 11:24 am : link
The Giants need a coach with a focus on discipline. With the New York market, the media, and the opportunity for trouble they need a coach cut from the cloth of Coughlin and Parcells. THATS what works here and that's what wins championships.
RE: You did bring up Frank Reich though...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/5/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13725440 figgy2989 said:
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I am not a big fan of Boomer (or his opinion for that matter), but he is a big advocate of his and said he his a tireless worker who spends a lot of time in the film room. He seems to be doing a good job with Wentz and looks to have a good feel for the players. He also did a good job with Rivers in SD. Was there a reason that Lynn didnt retain him?

Wasn't Reich a college teammate of Boomer's? I'd be careful of Boomer's take on Reich - it's likely to be a bit biased by friendship.
If you're looking for a media-friendly coach, Gruden.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/5/2017 11:29 am : link
If you're looking for the Giants' next Lombardi, someone else.

Gruden is never going to win another title as coach. He might still be able to right the ship, restore order, even get the Giants to the playoffs. That would be an improvement. If you just want a "competitive" team, he'll give you that.

I give the Giants credit for trying to get a young coach on the rise when they hired Ben McAdoo. They were looking for a guy who would coach a long time and bring them the next title. It didn't work out, but it was the right idea. Unfortunately those guys are high-risk/high-reward. With McAdoo we saw the risk part. A retread like Gruden has less downside but also less upside.

Tom Coughlin was the big exception. Notably, he'd never won a title with the Jags. IIRC no head coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two different teams.
Yes, Reich was Boomer's successor as Terrapins QB  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 11:30 am : link
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Bring back  
mrvax : 12/5/2017 11:38 am : link
Jim Fassel!
It's time  
BigBlueHens : 12/5/2017 11:41 am : link
to put Gruden and Bill Cowher to rest. They are not coming out of retirement, and the Giant's would not select them to be the coach.
RE: Among the names that have been mentioned?  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/5/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13725273 Greg from LI said:
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John Harbaugh if the Ravens can him. Maybe Frank Reich or Pat Shurmur.


Bwhahahahahahahaha. Those names are more inspiring thsn a rested Gruden that has the itch to come back? Bwhahahahahahahahahaha
The door is open?  
Heisenberg : 12/5/2017 11:59 am : link
Close that shit ASAP
Absolutely  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 12:00 pm : link
What did Gruden do after winning the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's defense and Bill Callahan keeping the exact same play calls Gruden used as the HC the year before? Absolutely nothing. You think he's magically improved after being out of coaching for a decade? I'd much rather roll the dice on someone new.
RE: RE: oh for crying out loud  
djm : 12/5/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13725265 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13725250 Greg from LI said:


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Make it stop. Gruden would be a very uninspiring pick.



With all due respect, who would be inspiring to you? I’ve noticed you’ve basically trashed every name that’s been thrown around. There’s only so many options.


Only bill parcells would inspire Greg. And it has to be the parcells of 1989 with the hair and the short shorts. And that's ok.
RE: Among the names that have been mentioned?  
djm : 12/5/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13725273 Greg from LI said:
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John Harbaugh if the Ravens can him. Maybe Frank Reich or Pat Shurmur.


Ravens would be insane to can harbaugh. Ain't happening.
John...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2017 12:02 pm : link
Harbaugh is a damn good coach and consistently has the Ravens in the hunt.

Isn't that what we've looked for?

I think Gruden had a 5-11 season and a 4-12 season with the Bucs.I'm sure we'd all be happy with that.
I'm not saying Gruden is coming here...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/5/2017 12:03 pm : link
But an "inspiring" hire? Give me Todd Wash from Jacksonville. That won't happen though. I think the Giants want a former head coach.

So I'd put my money on McDaniels or Mike Smith. Unfortunately. Hate Mike Smith. Very average coach. IMO
McDaniels only dreams of being very average  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2017 12:05 pm : link
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I'm very afraid  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/5/2017 12:07 pm : link
Of Mike Smith coming here.
I don't think I'd be happy with  
an_idol_mind : 12/5/2017 12:07 pm : link
a guy who has been out of coaching for a decade. If you're going to run a team, that should be your passion. If you've been sitting out for years without trying to get back in, that's probably a good sign you don't have the fire anymore.
I want a defense guy,  
BIGbluegermany : 12/5/2017 12:26 pm : link
but i have nothing against Gruden
I wouldn't worry about Gruden coaching his brother  
SLIM_ : 12/5/2017 8:29 pm : link
I can't see Jay lasting much longer.
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