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FWIW, I still have faith in Mara/Tisch

Tony in Tampa : 12/5/2017 12:57 pm
I think John Mara grossly underestimated the impact the Eli benching would have and made a mistake not handling a touchy subject like having other QBs share snaps, directly with Eli.

Mara admitted he made a mistake and has taken the responsibility. He and Tisch are good owners and have always been upfront and played it straight. Some might say it was just to minimize the PR disaster, but for me when it came down to it, they saw this circus could not continue any longer and decided to fire Ben and Jerry now.

What prevents any team who has to go through major change in FO from becoming the Browns? I think you have to have confidence in your ownership and that they will have a process and trust it.

For Mara/Tisch the process is patience and not sticking their nose into the day to day unless the train runs off the tracks. Despite the bungling of this season, I have confidence that they will find the right people to pull this team out of this hole and stand by those people. I guess I’m saying the “Giant Way” still means something.
he took responsibility  
bluepepper : 12/5/2017 1:05 pm : link
for the Manning fiasco in words but in actions he passed it on to Reese and McAdoo by firing them in response. He then denied that they were fired for the Manning stuff.

His family owns the team. He's not going anywhere. But he's been a train wreck this year.
The owners response  
mrvax : 12/5/2017 1:05 pm : link
to this mess was spot on. Many fans and pundits will agree.

I suspect that Ben & Jerry only told the owners they wanted to evaluate Smith & Webb. I don't think Mara had known Eli would not want to start knowing he'd be yanked.

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skifaster : 12/5/2017 1:07 pm : link
I think management were blindsided by Eli telling them to start Geno (and maybe Eli did it because he was so fed up with playing behind a leaky front line).

Would have loved to be in the room with Tisch when he found out about the 'benching' and his conversation with Mara.
I also think  
mrvax : 12/5/2017 1:08 pm : link
that Ben & Jerry wanted to pray that Geno Smith would play better than Eli in a hail mary to save their jobs, showing it was bad Eli all along.
He took a huge step forward, BUT:  
SHO'NUFF : 12/5/2017 1:12 pm : link
1. He didn't step up in time to stop the ridiculous benching.
2. Still denies the benching had any bearing on the decision to let Ben and Jerry go.
3. Doesn't take full accountability in his own role in the benching.
Vax  
joeinpa : 12/5/2017 1:13 pm : link
I don t think there is any question about that
Mara  
gmen9892 : 12/5/2017 1:16 pm : link
Mara  
gmen9892 : 12/5/2017 1:18 pm : link
I'm concenred  
Pete in MD : 12/5/2017 1:18 pm : link
by how much input they have in the running of the team. Reese came up with the organization so he didn't know any better but what top GM candidate is going to want to work in a situation where the owners have to bless everything you do from your draft picks to choice of coach and I'm sure almost every major decision?
If they hire Abrams, Spags, or Gettleman  
JonC : 12/5/2017 1:19 pm : link
and retain the bulk of the scouting staff, it will wreak of half-measures, that's still a big concern.
I don't  
Sneakers O'toole : 12/5/2017 1:20 pm : link
Mara hasn't done himself any favors lately, hopefully the next gm is a guy that can keep ownership out of footbsll ops
Mara is just over-cautious all the time.  
Red Dog : 12/5/2017 1:29 pm : link
He waited far too long to fire Reese. Should have been done years ago.

He waited too long to fire McAdoo. Should have been done after the San Francisco game.

He still hasn't fired Ross who is just as big a problem as Reese was.
hmmm  
giantfan2000 : 12/5/2017 1:32 pm : link
I don't
I think chris mara is dead weight who can never be fired

seems like owner meddled in various decisions like hiring Mcadoo over Reese's objections ..
I doubt Ross survives  
Sneakers O'toole : 12/5/2017 1:35 pm : link
the transition. It will be the next GM to make that call, this house will be cleaned by next season.

I see few if any survivors in the FO, coaching realms. Players need to worry as well
RE: If they hire Abrams, Spags, or Gettleman  
UESBLUE : 12/5/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13725847 JonC said:
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and retain the bulk of the scouting staff, it will wreak of half-measures, that's still a big concern.

Exactly. Yesterday was a step in the right direction. Lets see where it goes...
RE: Mara is just over-cautious all the time.  
Keith : 12/5/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13725874 Red Dog said:
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He waited far too long to fire Reese. Should have been done years ago.

He waited too long to fire McAdoo. Should have been done after the San Francisco game.

He still hasn't fired Ross who is just as big a problem as Reese was.


What you call over cautious, others might say he gives his guys a fair chance to succeed. Look at TC. Everyone and their mother wanted him fired. I'd say his over-cautiousness worked out. The Giants run their business the right way, this Eli fiasco doesn't change that. They aren't perfect and not every decision works out, but there is a reason they are always looked at as a flagship organization.
Mara  
Les in TO : 12/5/2017 1:49 pm : link
needed the nudge from Tisch to make the changes now as opposed to waiting until the end of the season which was the case as recently as after the 49ers debacle.

Mara came across really weak explaining how Benching-gate went down - he said he planned to tell McAdoo to be somewhat flexible about the plan to work in Geno and Webb as opposed to automatically swapping in at the half, but McAdoo had already announced it to the QBs. He should have also been part of the conversation with Eli, and it should have been in private. He also was wishy washy about decision rights over who plays QB the rest of the season and the answers about the order of hiring a GM and coach.

His Coughlin firing was also awkwardly handled and the decision to trust McAdoo was a big fail.

We can only hope Accorsi still has his marbles and is able to identify some quality GM candidates.
what does firing McAddo now  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2017 1:49 pm : link
or after the SF game really do in the grand scheme of things? Besides Eli's streak and friendlier PR, nothing else changes.
RE: what does firing McAddo now  
Les in TO : 12/5/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13725935 UConn4523 said:
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or after the SF game really do in the grand scheme of things? Besides Eli's streak and friendlier PR, nothing else changes.
a number of players simply quit in the SF game, the icing on a crap cake of a season - firing him then sends a message to the team that quitting will not be tolerated and starts in motion (officially) the process of due diligence for the next coach.
RE: If they hire Abrams, Spags, or Gettleman  
Kevin in Annapolis : 12/5/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13725847 JonC said:
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and retain the bulk of the scouting staff, it will wreak of half-measures, that's still a big concern.


By all accounts Abrams is very good at what he does. Not sure if he is GM worthy, but the man can manage the cap.
So Reese has been with the Giants since 1994  
RollBlue : 12/5/2017 2:29 pm : link
took over as GM in 2007. In his time with the Giants, they went to 3 Super Bowls and won 2. There are only a few teams with more success over that time - NE, Pitt and Seattle. Please tell me who has had more success?

As good as Eli was a QB, he's not in the class of Brady, Farve, Rodgers, and even Wilson the last 5 years.

Just like TC two years ago, I think the time was right for a change. I think it's wrong to pile on Reese and call him inept.
I don't know ....  
Beer Man : 12/5/2017 2:47 pm : link
This organization is so F'd-up right now, and they are part of the problem. I would feel more comfortable if it was their fathers righting the ship
RE: RE: If they hire Abrams, Spags, or Gettleman  
JonC : 12/5/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13726000 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13725847 JonC said:


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and retain the bulk of the scouting staff, it will wreak of half-measures, that's still a big concern.



By all accounts Abrams is very good at what he does. Not sure if he is GM worthy, but the man can manage the cap.


We need a football visionary who understands the game, personnel, fit, development, culture, etc.
What do I know, but I'll bet there are  
CT Charlie : 12/5/2017 3:17 pm : link
plenty of cities, GM's, coaches, and players who would love to have someone as even-tempered, thoughtful, patient, and generous as the Maras as owners.
RE: I don't know ....  
RobCarpenter : 12/5/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13726061 Beer Man said:
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This organization is so F'd-up right now, and they are part of the problem. I would feel more comfortable if it was their fathers righting the ship


Right, because one of those fathers did such a great job between 1964 and 1979.

Personally I'm glad Accorsi is helping them figure out who to hire b/c I don't have that much faith in Mara/Tisch's ability to evaluate perspective GMs without help. And to their credit, they asked for help.
RE: RE: I don't know ....  
Beer Man : 12/5/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13726245 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 13726061 Beer Man said:


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This organization is so F'd-up right now, and they are part of the problem. I would feel more comfortable if it was their fathers righting the ship



Right, because one of those fathers did such a great job between 1964 and 1979.

Personally I'm glad Accorsi is helping them figure out who to hire b/c I don't have that much faith in Mara/Tisch's ability to evaluate perspective GMs without help. And to their credit, they asked for help.
Yes, but the old man learned from his mistakes, and from the early 80's up until he died, it was one of the best managed/run organizations in the NFL.
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