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Peter King of MMQB: Exploring the Giants HC/GM Options

Anando : 12/5/2017 2:45 pm
Didn't see this posted, but I thought it was a very insightful article.

Some key points:

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• Don’t get seduced by Mr. Perfect. The Giants have done that before. I am all in favor of going hard after Stanford coach David Shaw, but the Rams couldn’t get him interested last year, and he told me last year that if you’re going to go after him, you’re going to have to convince his wife that your city is better than Palo Alto. (Not likely, was his point.)


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• There’s no hurry on the GM search. There’s a rule in GM searches, by the way, which I didn’t see mentioned Monday. Teams cannot raid staffs of other teams until the season of the prospective GM’s team is over. So if the Giants fall in love with Nick Caserio, the Patriots’ director of player personnel, and New England makes the Super Bowl, Caserio can’t be hired untiul Feb. 5, the day after the Super Bowl … which would stunt the search for a coach and perhaps leave the Giants far behind the teams that choose coaches after the season. But, and this is a big but, I do not think that should affect what the Giants do.



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Good point about Caserio  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/5/2017 2:47 pm : link
Didn't think about that. The Pats probably will make the Super Bowl yet again
Second point quoted above  
Rocky369 : 12/5/2017 2:48 pm : link
could teams ask permission? obviously with coaches, you don't want to distract from the playoffs. but what's the harm in allowing an office-type to talk with another team.
Marvin Lewis  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2017 2:59 pm : link
if he is fired by CIN
RE: Marvin Lewis  
Sean : 12/5/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13726090 Sy'56 said:
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if he is fired by CIN


I agree, but I do worry about burnout with him.
NO way  
jvm52106 : 12/5/2017 3:04 pm : link
do I want Lewis.. His teams are always a mess penalty wise and come up short in the playoffs year in and year out. No thank you...
RE: Marvin Lewis  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/5/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13726090 Sy'56 said:
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if he is fired by CIN



Lewis is horrible Zimmer was the guy there IMO who made Lewis successful.
RE: Marvin Lewis  
Mike in Prescott : 12/5/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13726090 Sy'56 said:
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if he is fired by CIN


OK. Sy, I respect your posts and insights. Are you willing to say more about why you would like to see Lewis here? Thanks.
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BleedBlue : 12/5/2017 3:11 pm : link
give gruden the keys to the franchise. guy gets alot out of veteran QBs and will be able to groom a rookie QB. in my opinion it should be our first call
I guess you failed to mention the part where he said  
NYSports1 : 12/5/2017 3:12 pm : link
Do not start Eli the rest of the year and get a look at Webb. He says you know what you have in Eli, the 22nd rank QB in each of the last 2 years.....
RE: I guess you failed to mention the part where he said  
Anando : 12/5/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13726127 NYSports1 said:
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Do not start Eli the rest of the year and get a look at Webb. He says you know what you have in Eli, the 22nd rank QB in each of the last 2 years.....


Didn't fail to mention, but just wanted to highlight the main part of the article which is the HC/GM search
PK  
TyreeHelmet : 12/5/2017 3:29 pm : link
I don't read Peter King much anymore and not really a fan, but that was a very well written and well-balanced article.

I would still go all in on Saban. I get all the points against him, but I think he could have a massive positive impact on this franchise. He was interested in 2016, I'm sure he still is. Would him winning another championship make it more likely?
RE: RE: Marvin Lewis  
bluepepper : 12/5/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13726110 LauderdaleMatty said:
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if he is fired by CIN




Lewis is horrible Zimmer was the guy there IMO who made Lewis successful.

LMAO - Lewis was the DC of the great Ravens defense of 2000. Zimmer profited more from that relationship than Lewis did.
RE: Good point about Caserio  
markky : 12/5/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13726062 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Didn't think about that. The Pats probably will make the Super Bowl yet again


This is sometimes waived and the candidate is allowed to at least take an interview prior to the open date.

Of course this will be moot when we get 'Lil Bill as GM/HC for 2018.
I really hope we have a GM in place before a head coach  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/5/2017 4:05 pm : link
And why are people enamored with Pats guys. It didn’t work out great with Scott Pioli in KC. The guy who interviews the best should get the job. We shouldn’t pick a guy because he worked on the Patriots previously.
Agreed with this.  
Thegratefulhead : 12/5/2017 4:08 pm : link
• They should not go back to Eli Manning this month. The Giants made the decision as a franchise last week to look at Geno Smith (which should be a very brief look) and rookie Davis Webb. They’re 2-10. Four games left in a lost season. Starting Manning this week against Dallas would be lovely for the fans, but would it do anything to answer questions about the future? No. Play Webb for the last lost month. Get something out of it. This isn’t kicking Manning out the door. No one can know if he’s through in the Meadowlands until the new GM and coach come on board. But sentiment wins nothing in football. The only thing these Giants should be doing is playing for opening day 2018. You know everything about Manning, the NFL’s 22nd-rated quarterback in each of the last two years. You know nothing about Webb.
lol on the Marvin Lewis  
micky : 12/5/2017 4:22 pm : link
oye vey people
Paton’s the one I want for GM  
jeff57 : 12/5/2017 5:51 pm : link
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I also do not want to go back to Eli this month...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/5/2017 6:21 pm : link
unless they can somehow convince him to go along with the original plan. I think it's critical to get some film on our backup QB's. The new GM and HC will not have any evaluation on Webb and very little on Geno unless they get some playing time. Those evaluations can be critical when it comes to building a team.

I'm worried we will start Eli throughout and have learned nothing about Webb. If that was going to be the case they should have kept McAdoo and Reese on board through the end of the season as the bad guys and kept Eli on the bench for now.

Don't get me wrong, I love Eli and I think he's the ultimate competitor. He wants to win and that's why he didn't want to be sitting on the bench. But I agreed with the original plan, at this point it's about evaluating your roster more than winning.
RE: RE: RE: Marvin Lewis  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/5/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13726209 bluepepper said:
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if he is fired by CIN




Lewis is horrible Zimmer was the guy there IMO who made Lewis successful.


LMAO - Lewis was the DC of the great Ravens defense of 2000. Zimmer profited more from that relationship than Lewis did.


Lewis sucks as a HC. He's a horrible. How's he done since Zimmer left? Lewis was the coordinator of an insanely loaded team. Not saying he isn't a solid coach but He's no Bill B . Did that D fall apart when he left? Nope

Zimmer has done a great in Minny too. Zimmer also Worked with Parcells. Maybe you should look into Mike Zimmer' career.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Marvin Lewis  
bluepepper : 12/5/2017 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13726664 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13726110 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 13726090 Sy'56 said:


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if he is fired by CIN




Lewis is horrible Zimmer was the guy there IMO who made Lewis successful.


LMAO - Lewis was the DC of the great Ravens defense of 2000. Zimmer profited more from that relationship than Lewis did.



Lewis sucks as a HC. He's a horrible. How's he done since Zimmer left? Lewis was the coordinator of an insanely loaded team. Not saying he isn't a solid coach but He's no Bill B . Did that D fall apart when he left? Nope

Zimmer has done a great in Minny too. Zimmer also Worked with Parcells. Maybe you should look into Mike Zimmer' career.


Maybe you should give a little bit of credit to the DC of what is acknowledged as one of the greatest defenses of all time. He didn't need Zimmer or anyone else to tell him how to run a defense.

I'm sure Zimmer did a nice job in Cincy under Lewis just like he did a nice job under Parcells in Dallas. I just don't give him an out-sized share of credit for whatever success those teams had while he was there.
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