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Victor Cruz sounds off: "McAdoo firing long overdue"

BigBlue4You09 : 12/5/2017 5:06 pm
Not much new here, more just in support of Eli

https://nypost.com/2017/12/05/victor-cruz-twists-mcadoo-knife-firing-was-long-overdue/
Please stop  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2017 5:08 pm : link
Putting a microphone in front of this guyís face.
Someone tell Vic  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2017 5:12 pm : link
two weeks ago doesn't make something "long overdue."
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2017 5:14 pm : link
know someone who works in television and he said Cruz is shopping a reality show HARD. Expect more of this.
I loved cruz  
Banks : 12/5/2017 5:18 pm : link
He was a great player until his injury, but he just needs to stop talking
Cruz  
Dragon : 12/5/2017 5:33 pm : link
Letís we forget without JR you most likely never become anything to even speak about what did McAdoo do to you? Go teach the salsa to todayís players they seem to be lost about TD dancing maybe you can help. In reality you should be shutting the fuck up!!
Yeah like when  
RetroJint : 12/5/2017 5:42 pm : link
He was suck holing around McAdoo trying to get signed after the injuries hit. Was the firing long overdue then ?
Preseason  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/5/2017 5:44 pm : link
I mean, seriously.... a QB battle between Geno Smith and Josh Johnson...

A playcalling battle between Ben McAdoo and Mike Sullivan...

Really, the signs were all there.
A lot  
nicks14 : 12/5/2017 7:01 pm : link
of Cruz hate but uh he was better than Brandon Marshall who you guys swore was the answer. Cruz was a shell of himself but there were two wins he contributed to we have two wins this year.
Suckholing around McAdoo?  
B in ALB : 12/5/2017 7:03 pm : link
Is that your position here? Cruz - a FA, was "suckholing" McAdoo for a job?

He was looking for a job from anyone - no "suckholing" necessary.

But the guy has enough in the bank and his own business that he's fine.

And he's also right about McAdoo.

Some of you "suckholes" have short fucking memories.
Why are people angry at cruz here?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2017 7:04 pm : link
24 hours ago people wanted McAdoo hit by a bus?
RE: Why are people angry at cruz here?  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/5/2017 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13726580 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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24 hours ago people wanted McAdoo hit by a bus?


I donít get it either
RE: Why are people angry at cruz here?  
B in ALB : 12/5/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13726580 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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24 hours ago people wanted McAdoo hit by a bus?


Exactly. Just a weird group of people with hate for Cruz. A guy who monumentally overachieved and helped this team immensely.
RE: Why are people angry at cruz here?  
Gmen4Life21 : 12/5/2017 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13726580 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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24 hours ago people wanted McAdoo hit by a bus?

Yeah. We must be taking crazy pills.
RE: Someone tell Vic  
Gmen4Life21 : 12/5/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13726401 bceagle05 said:
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two weeks ago doesn't make something "long overdue."


And letís not quibble over semantics on a live tv show, he may re-phrase if he had the chance who knows.

I think weíd all agree it was overdue.

Perhaps only a week overdue but, overdue.
Again, NY Post with the misleading headlines  
eclipz928 : 12/5/2017 7:33 pm : link
The phrase "long" overdue gives the impression that Cruz was coming from the perspective of how he felt about McAdoo while he was still on the team. It wasn't that at all - he didn't say anything much different than what most people here were thinking.
Has Tiki had anything to say  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/5/2017 7:56 pm : link
?
Reese and HC  
big canoe jeff : 12/5/2017 8:12 pm : link
Cluleless st the least he could mentor receivers
Cruz deserves some scorn  
hassan : 12/5/2017 8:22 pm : link
He suggested the Giants conspired not to throw him the ball. An utterly ridiculous assertion. Couldn't accept his loss of game. That implies Eli intentionally ignored him.

He was a great giant but if Barber is still in hell in
Mind of Giants fans Cruz deserves a little more hell for comments I think are actually worse than Barber's.
And to be clear  
hassan : 12/5/2017 8:24 pm : link
People should get over Barber's 11 year old comments and Cruz shouldn't be remembered badly forever. But I get the negativity towards him.
RE: Why are people angry at cruz here?  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/5/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13726580 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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24 hours ago people wanted McAdoo hit by a bus?
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Bingo
RE: Cruz deserves some scorn  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/5/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13726710 hassan said:
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He suggested the Giants conspired not to throw him the ball. An utterly ridiculous assertion. Couldn't accept his loss of game. That implies Eli intentionally ignored him.

He was a great giant but if Barber is still in hell in
Mind of Giants fans Cruz deserves a little more hell for comments I think are actually worse than Barber's.



You're definitely right about Cruz' ridiculous conspiracy comments. It's clear he was toast. He got cut by the bears - who arguably have the worst receiving corps in the league. But he's right about Mcadoo. And his 2011 season was magical and he was a big part in the super bowl run. People have short memories
Ned  
hassan : 12/5/2017 9:51 pm : link
Like I said he shouldn't stay remembered badly. Quite frankly neither should Tiki. Overall I agree with the sum of your statement.
Look, Cruz didnít handle the end of his career well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2017 11:43 pm : link
But when it was taken from you too early by injury, few players often do. He was a vital part of the giants winning a championship and he got his career cut short playing hard for this team. Nobody should be holding on to any scorn.
RE: Cruz deserves some scorn  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2017 12:33 am : link
In comment 13726710 hassan said:
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He suggested the Giants conspired not to throw him the ball. An utterly ridiculous assertion. Couldn't accept his loss of game. That implies Eli intentionally ignored him.


Amani Toomer made the exact same ridiculous comments about Kevin Gilbride at the end of his Giants' career and it hasn't really hurt him in terms of his relationship with the organization. Some guys just have difficulty accepting the end and Cruz' comments seem to be dripping with personal feelings about how it ended.
Tth  
hassan : 12/6/2017 6:17 am : link
How do you feel about Barber who is a borderline hof candidate? By quality metrics he beats many hof. But people hold a few comments which were not that bad in the scheme of things and his failure as a broadcaster and husband against him for over a decade.
Shockey  
hassan : 12/6/2017 6:21 am : link
Do you have context or a quote I don't remember this well, rather vaguely that Toomer came across as bitter?

Being gameplanned out of an offense is different than a coordinated effort by the entire org not to throw to him when open because of financial implications.
I agree with everything he said...  
SeanLandeta : 12/6/2017 7:57 am : link
and it certainly seemed long overdue to me too. Even if we are only talking a few weeks, those weeks felt like years of agony!
RE: Shockey  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13727005 hassan said:
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Do you have context or a quote I don't remember this well, rather vaguely that Toomer came across as bitter?

Being gameplanned out of an offense is different than a coordinated effort by the entire org not to throw to him when open because of financial implications.


The ending of his 13-year career in New York was apparently very bitter for one of the greatest receivers in team history because of the way Toomer felt the coaches were trying to prematurely phase him out of their plans.

"They tried to do it earlier in the season, but I kept playing well and keeping myself in the mix," Toomer said after helping build a playground at an East Tampa school. "They let me play myself out of it, then kind of pulled the rug out from under me. I was fighting it. I was fighting it for as long as I could. I kept making big plays and I felt like if they kept throwing to me, I'd keep making big plays.

"But I feel like they made a decision that, 'Look, we can't keep him sticking around. We've got to turn the page. We can't just keep letting him go on and on.'"

But he understood it was the coaching staff's "agenda" to "see what the younger guys" - such as Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith - "could do." Toomer never got an explanation about why his playing time was "cut in half" in the final five games. He wasn't going to "make myself look like an idiot" and ask for one, either.

"No, because you know what? No matter what, they've got an agenda," Toomer said. "I could talk until I'm blue in the face, it's not going to make any difference. And you know from dealing with the head coach that's not how he is. You could talk to him, but if he has something in his mind that's what's going to go on."

Daily News article from 1/28/09 - ( New Window )
Thanks shockey  
hassan : 12/6/2017 9:09 am : link
Probably because his language was as pointed it flew more under the radar but that was not good.
RE: Tth  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13727003 hassan said:
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How do you feel about Barber who is a borderline hof candidate? By quality metrics he beats many hof. But people hold a few comments which were not that bad in the scheme of things and his failure as a broadcaster and husband against him for over a decade.


The combination of Barber electing to retire early, mkaing it clear he didn't have any love for Coughlin, and also trying to make a name for himself by sabotaging the franchise QB, who was already a media target, makes it a different case in my opinion.
Giants fans..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2017 9:28 am : link
have consistently fucked up in assessing WR's.

Remember when Nicks was "dogging it" and just cashing a check as he was suffering permanent nerve damage?

Remember Steve Smith giving the Giants the finger by signing with the Eagles, even though he was never healthy enough to play again?

Remember people thinking Cruz was afraid to get on the field and milking a calf injury as if it were non-existent?

By the way - none of those guys ever played meaningful football again.

And don't forget the "Becky" comments OBJ's rookie season.

Some fans are just fucking morons.
the people bashing cruz for saying the truth is pretty dumb.  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/6/2017 9:47 am : link
he is basically saying what we all said period.
Fmic  
hassan : 12/6/2017 11:49 am : link
I would agree with everything you said. My only issue with Cruz was his parting shot to Giant brass and the ridiculousness of a conspiracy. Hence people are skeptical of his statements.

Nicks who was a great player for NYG in two seasons was in particular broiled here.
Cruz's contract  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2017 12:22 pm : link
Hamstrung this team for years and probably cost TC his job. It was stupid to pay a slot wr that much money. He couldn't function as a #1. When he got hurt we were stuck with his big cap number. I guess it's more Reese's fault than Cruz. Good time to move on from both
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