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FA OLs, LBs, RBs On the Radar?

adamg : 12/5/2017 5:16 pm
I was looking at 2018 FAs today to see who we might go after in FA with Casillas, Shepppard, Thomas, and Robinson all set to hit FA; Vereen and Darkwa are both FAs; and Fluker, Pugh, and Richburg are all gone.

I know OLB Telvin Smith was a name on a lot of people's lips early on, but he already signed a huge four year 11 mill per year extension with Jacksonville in October.

Nate Solder has been mentioned lately as a potential pick up, but it seems unlikely the Pats will just let him get away.

Luckily the RB market looks like it should be good, though we may use a pick plus a Darkwa re-sign to hold it down.

But I was most interested in getting other people's opinions on the FA market and who they think we should have in mind to target when free agency opens up in March. I was especially hoping people would address these three areas of need that seem most paramount to shoring up our roster. Thoughts?
What's wrong with the Linebackers  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2017 5:32 pm : link
we already have?
Fans  
Dragon : 12/5/2017 5:52 pm : link
Who is the one Giants FA you would spend money on I canít think of one help me please? Then consider only an ass whole wants to join a sinking ship even for Big money.
RE: What's wrong with the Linebackers  
jeff57 : 12/5/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13726429 Jimmy Googs said:
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we already have?


Nothing, Jerry.
Anthony Hitchens  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2017 6:22 pm : link
is a good young LB from Dallas that is a good fit in a 4-3 and has excellent coverage skills. I think he can be had for a reasonable price and he will likely be available because Dallas has some cap issues.

But, then again, no one even knows what type of scheme or philosophy the Giants will have on defense next year. They could switch to a 3-4 defense for all we know.
As for the OL  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2017 6:27 pm : link
The Tackles in FA are HORRIBLE.

Solder is the only starting caliber LT, but he has regressed severely this season. If you have the time, search his name on twitter and read some of the things Pats fans and beat writers are saying about his play. He is the equivalent of Ereck Flowers in NE (They know how to scheme to help him better though).

The rest of the guys are swing tackles or depth guys. A lot of teams are seeing the shortage of OL in the league and locking their guys up.

I think a good option could be exploring a trade for a guy like Cordy Glenn in Buffalo.

Oline in free agency  
Big_Pete : 12/5/2017 7:15 pm : link
Having looked at what is likely available in free agency this year, this is what I would be looing at next offseason.

Resign Pugh as RT, Fluker as RG

Bring in Andrew Norwell as the key free agency signing.

That gives us an OL of Pugh, Fluker, Jones, Norwell and Flowers with Wheeler, Halapio, Bisnowaty and Hart for depth.

In the draft I would look to bring in an OT and C to develop behind the starters.
Here is the O-Line  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2017 7:27 pm : link
Luke Joeckel G SEA $8,000,000 UFA
Shawn Lauvao G WAS $4,250,000 UFA -
Andre Smith G CIN $3,250,000 UFA -
Jermon Bushrod G MIA $3,000,000 UFA -
D.J. Fluker G NYG $3,000,000 UFA -
Andrew Norwell G CAR $2,746,000 UFA -
Jahri Evans G GB $2,250,000 UFA -
Joe Berger G MIN $2,165,000 UFA -
Justin Pugh G NYG $2,086,475 UFA -
Matt Slauson G LAC $2,000,000 UFA -
Jonathan Cooper G DAL $2,000,000 UFA -
Chris Hubbard G PIT $1,797,000 UFA -
Josh Kline G TEN $1,650,000 UFA -
Brandon Fusco G SF $1,400,000 UFA -
Xavier Su'a-Fil G HOU $1,387,900 UFA -
Senio Kelemete G NO $1,350,000 UFA -
Oday Aboushi G SEA $975,000 UFA -
Alex Boone G ARI $900,000 UFA -
John Greco G NYG $900,000 UFA -
Jack Mewhort G IND $893,450 UFA -
Amini Silatolu G CAR $885,000 UFA -
Patrick Omameh G JAC $875,000 UFA -
Kenny Wiggins G LAC $865,000 UFA -
Joe Looney G DAL $837,500 UFA -
Matt Tobin G SEA $812,500 UFA -
Billy Turner G DEN $786,625 UFA -
Michael Person G IND $775,000 UFA -
Marcus Martin G CLE $767,312 UFA -
Ben Garland G ATL $690,000 UFA -
Jordan Devey G KC $690,000 UFA -
Dakota Dozier G NYJ $630,146 UFA -
Kevin Pamphile G TB $604,625 UFA -
Zach Fulton G KC $587,305 UFA -
Tackles
Nate Solder LT NE $10,031,000 UFA
Greg Robinson LT DET $5,321,025 UFA -
Chris Clark LT HOU $3,000,000 UFA -
Donald Stephenson LT DEN $2,500,000 UFA -
Chris Hairston LT LAC $1,450,000 UFA -
Sam Young LT MIA $900,000 UFA -
William Beatty LT PHI $900,000 UFA -
Bradley Sowell LT CHI $775,000 UFA
Breno Giacomini RT HOU $2,750,000 UFA -
Garry Gilliam RT SF $2,200,000 UFA -
Byron Bell RT DAL $2,000,000 UFA -
Allen Barbre RT DEN $1,450,000 UFA -
James Hurst RT BAL $1,200,000 UFA -
LaAdrian Waddle RT NE $1,200,000 UFA -
Eric Winston RT CIN $1,000,000 UFA -
Earl Watford RT ARI $775,000 UFA -
Don Barclay RT DET $775,000 UFA -
Bryce Harris RT NO $775,000 UFA -
Michael Schofield RT LAC $694,300 UFA -
Cornelius Lucas RT LA $690,000 UFA -
Cyrus Kouandjio RT DEN $690,000 UFA -
Seantrel Henderson RT BUF $567,720
Center
Evan Smith C TB $3,562,500 UFA -
Wesley Johnson C NYJ $2,746,000 UFA -
Ryan Jensen C BAL $1,797,000 UFA -
Daniel Kilgore C SF $1,750,000 UFA -
Weston Richburg C NYG $1,219,338 UFA -
John Sullivan C LA $999,999 UFA -
Jonotthan Harrison C NYJ $850,000 UFA -
Brian Schwenke C TEN $775,000 UFA -
Josh LeRibeus C NO $775,000 UFA -
Tony Bergstrom C WAS $775,000 UFA -
Tim Barnes C SF $775,000 UFA -
Travis Swanson C DET $739,243 UFA -
Spencer Long C WAS $715,950 UFA -
Russell Bodine C CIN $669,114 UFA -
Corey Linsley C GB $601,250 UFA -
Luke Bowanko C BAL $578,513 UFA -
RB  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2017 7:29 pm : link
Le'Veon Bell RB 25 PIT TBD 12 1,057 5 502 1 3 $12,120,000 UFA Market Value
Darren Sproles RB 34 PHI TBD 3 61 73 1 $4,500,000 UFA -
Eddie Lacy RB 26 SEA TBD 9 179 47 $4,250,000 UFA -
Shane Vereen RB 28 NYG TBD 12 112 214 $4,116,667 UFA -
Frank Gore RB 34 IND TBD 12 632 3 169 3 $4,000,000 UFA -
Rex Burkhead RB 27 NE TBD 8 244 3 204 3 1 $3,150,000 UFA -
Isaiah Crowell RB 24 CLE TBD 12 595 2 180 1 $2,746,000 UFA -
Jamaal Charles RB 30 DEN TBD 12 296 1 117 2 $2,500,000 UFA -
Damien Williams RB 25 MIA TBD 11 181 155 1 $1,797,000 UFA -
Terrance West RB 26 BAL TBD 5 138 2 23 1 $1,797,000 UFA -
Alfred Morris RB 28 DAL TBD 11 423 1 22 $1,750,000 UFA -
Lance Dunbar RB 27 LA TBD 3 31 $1,500,000 UFA -
Dion Lewis RB 27 NE TBD 12 590 3 87 1 $1,300,000 UFA -
LeGarrette Blount RB 31 PHI TBD 12 684 2 25 1 1 $1,250,000 UFA -
Cedric Peerman RB 31 CIN TBD $1,150,000 UFA -
Orleans Darkwa RB 25 NYG TBD 11 551 3 92 $1,100,000 UFA -
Jeremy Hill RB 25 CIN TBD 7 116 16 1 $938,401 UFA -
Carlos Hyde RB 26 SF TBD 12 693 4 307 1 $920,420 UFA -
Andre Ellington RB 28 HOU TBD 9 49 1 353 $905,000 UFA -
Benny Cunningham RB 27 CHI TBD 10 29 125 1 1 $855,000 UFA -
Branden Oliver RB 26 LAC TBD 5 61 20 $800,000 UFA -
Jordan Todman RB 27 HOU TBD 11 $775,000 UFA -
Brandon Bolden RB 27 NE TBD 12 1 $775,000 UFA -
Taiwan Jones RB 29 BUF TBD 8 11 $775,000 UFA -
Travaris Cadet RB 28 BUF TBD 6 70 105 $775,000 UFA -
Mike James RB 26 DET TBD $775,000 UFA -
Charles Sims RB 27 TB TBD 12 73 213 1 1 $768,330 UFA -
Jerick McKinnon RB 25 MIN TBD 12 414 3 289 2 3 $691,250 UFA -
Kenjon Barner RB 28 PHI TBD 9 38 1 42 1 $690,000 UFA -
Bishop Sankey RB 25 MIN TBD $690,000 UFA -
Fitz Toussaint RB 27 PIT TBD 2 $690,000 UFA -
Alfred Blue RB 26 HOU TBD 8 60 18 $584,483 UFA -
Kerwynn Williams RB 26 ARI TBD 12 166 1 58 $555,000 UFA -
LB  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2017 7:31 pm : link

Aldon Smith OLB 28 OAK TBD - UFA -
Paul Posluszny OLB 33 JAC TBD 12 42 2 3 $5,000,000 UFA -
Kevin Minter ILB 27 CIN TBD 8 30 $4,250,000 UFA -
Koa Misi OLB 30 MIA TBD $4,250,000 UFA -
Tahir Whitehead OLB 27 DET TBD 12 78 1 4 1 $4,000,000 UFA -
Nigel Bradham OLB 28 PHI TBD 12 63 1 3 $3,500,000 UFA -
Ahmad Brooks OLB 33 GB TBD 8 10 2 5 $3,500,000 UFA -
Connor Barwin OLB 31 LA TBD 11 25 4 9 $3,500,000 UFA -
Paul Worrilow OLB 27 DET TBD 9 22 1 $3,000,000 UFA -
Keenan Robinson OLB 28 NYG TBD 6 32 $3,000,000 UFA -
Erik Walden OLB 32 TEN TBD 12 22 3 5 $2,750,000 UFA -
Emmanuel Lamur OLB 28 MIN TBD 12 12 $2,750,000 UFA -
Todd Davis ILB 25 DEN TBD $2,746,000 UFA -
Jonathan Casillas OLB 30 NYG TBD 8 35 2 $2,666,667 UFA -
Navorro Bowman ILB 29 OAK TBD 11 90 3 1 $2,600,000 UFA -
Arthur Moats OLB 29 PIT TBD 10 3 $2,500,000 UFA -
Zach Brown ILB 28 WAS TBD 12 117 3 5 1 $2,300,000 UFA -
Demario Davis ILB 28 NYJ TBD 12 97 5 12 $2,225,000 UFA Market Value
Karlos Dansby ILB 36 ARI TBD 12 69 1 4 1 $2,000,000 UFA -
Barkevious Mingo OLB 27 IND TBD 12 25 5 1 $2,000,000 UFA -
Lerentee McCray OLB 27 JAC TBD 9 9 2 3 $2,000,000 UFA -
Will Compton ILB 28 WAS TBD 9 19 1 $1,797,000 UFA -
Korey Toomer ILB 28 LAC TBD 11 41 1 1 1 $1,797,000 UFA -
Kyle Wilber OLB 28 DAL TBD 12 8 1 $1,625,000 UFA -
Michael Wilhoite ILB 30 SEA TBD 10 14 $1,550,000 UFA -
Christian Jones ILB 26 CHI TBD 12 82 2 3 1 $1,500,000 UFA -
Brock Coyle ILB 27 SF TBD 12 39 1 3 $1,450,000 UFA -
Mason Foster ILB 28 WAS TBD 5 31 1 2 1 $1,250,000 UFA -
Kasim Edebali OLB 28 DET TBD 12 1 1 $1,200,000 UFA -
Trent Murphy OLB 26 WAS TBD $1,118,200 UFA -
Justin Durant OLB 32 DAL TBD 7 13 $1,080,000 UFA -
Jeremiah Attaochu OLB 24 LAC TBD 4 7 $1,050,775 UFA -
Dwight Freeney OLB 37 DET TBD 5 3 3 4 $1,000,000 UFA -
Ramon Humber OLB 30 BUF TBD 9 69 2 1 $900,000 UFA -
Kelvin Sheppard ILB 29 NYG TBD 3 21 $900,000 UFA -
Dannell Ellerbe OLB 32 PHI TBD 1 $900,000 UFA -
Lamarr Houston OLB 30 CHI TBD 6 10 2 5 $900,000 UFA -
Chris Carter ILB 28 WAS TBD 12 5 $885,000 UFA -
Najee Goode OLB 28 PHI TBD 12 15 $875,000 UFA -
Terence Garvin ILB 26 SEA TBD 11 12 1 3 $855,000 UFA -
Sam Acho OLB 29 CHI TBD 12 27 1 7 $855,000 UFA -
Mark Herzlich OLB 30 NYG TBD $855,000 UFA -
Junior Galette OLB 29 WAS TBD 12 14 2 9 1 $800,000 UFA -
Josh Bynes OLB 28 ARI TBD 12 28 1 1 1 $775,000 UFA -
Bruce Carter ILB 29 NYJ TBD 11 3 $775,000 UFA -
Nick Bellore ILB 28 DET TBD 10 11 $775,000 UFA -
Gerald Hodges OLB 26 NO TBD 7 2 $775,000 UFA -
Michael Mauti OLB 27 NO TBD 7 6 $775,000 UFA -
Andrew Gachkar OLB 29 CAR TBD 2 1 $775,000 UFA -
Steven Johnson ILB 29 BAL TBD 7 2 $775,000 UFA -
Sean Weatherspoon ILB 29 ATL TBD 2 1 $775,000 UFA -
Jelani Jenkins OLB 25 HOU TBD 5 11 $775,000 UFA -
Akeem Ayers OLB 28 NYG TBD 3 2 $775,000 UFA -
Preston Brown ILB 25 BUF TBD 12 100 2 $751,438 UFA -
Julian Stanford OLB 27 NYJ TBD 12 15 $725,000 UFA -
Kareem Martin OLB 25 ARI TBD 12 14 3 1 $710,890 UFA -
Jordan Tripp ILB 26 ATL TBD 3 $690,000 UFA -
Dewey McDonald OLB 27 SEA TBD 3 $690,000 UFA -
Jon Bostic ILB 26 IND TBD 12 89 1 3 $690,000 UFA -
Cassius Marsh OLB 25 SF TBD 11 19 2 3 2 $672,563 UFA -
Anthony Hitchens ILB 25 DAL TBD 8 58 1 $663,716 UFA -
Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB 24 KC TBD 11 33 1 $651,413 UFA -
Avery Williamson ILB 25 TEN TBD 12 68 1 2 1 $603,613 UFA -
Devon Kennard OLB 26 NYG TBD 11 34 3 6 $591,140 UFA -
Marquis Flowers OLB 25 NE TBD 12 10 1 $574,670 UFA -
Corey Nelson ILB 25 DEN TBD 5 4 $567,150 UFA -
Audie Cole ILB 28 NO TBD - UFA
weak FA market in these positions  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2017 7:35 pm : link
going to take a couple of drafts to get right
RE: weak FA market in these positions  
adamg : 12/5/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13726626 larryflower37 said:
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going to take a couple of drafts to get right


I looked through Spotrac already. That's why I made the thread. There aren't many guys that pop off the screen except at RB. That Carolina OLG sounds like an interesting guy to bring in.

And it does seem like bringing back Pugh and Fluker may be necessary if we want progress on the line.

Hitchens is a good call too.
Iíd look at  
WillVAB : 12/5/2017 8:30 pm : link
Jon Bostic and Zach Brown at LB. both relatively young and probably wonít command a ton of money.

OL is slim pickings. Iíd only consider paying for Swanson and Shwenke at Center.

The Giants need to be smart this off season. Find value in FA and use the draft to rebuild deficient areas.
RE: RE: weak FA market in these positions  
larryflower37 : 12/5/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13726701 adamg said:
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In comment 13726626 larryflower37 said:


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going to take a couple of drafts to get right



I looked through Spotrac already. That's why I made the thread. There aren't many guys that pop off the screen except at RB. That Carolina OLG sounds like an interesting guy to bring in.

And it does seem like bringing back Pugh and Fluker may be necessary if we want progress on the line.

Hitchens is a good call too.


Pugh is going to look to get paid because there is not much out there.
Not sure with his injury history to pay him top dollar.
Draft a tackle and guard in the 2nd and 3rd.
I hope Fluker is back at RG  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2017 9:18 pm : link
Blue Houston RB might be an interesting player. Hitches is a good choice. Jonathan Cooper for LG. There are players out there, the just have to look pretty hard and so their homework.
I like Zach Brown  
adamg : 12/5/2017 9:54 pm : link
I was shocked he got less than 3 mill from the skins. If they can lock him up for 3 years at under 12 mill, that'd be a steal imo.

Alfred Blue doesn't have impressive numbers. I know he's behind Miller, but I think there are a lot of better choices in FA at RB.

And I think re-signing Pugh is a necessary move. Yes, he'll cost a lot, but he's among the best OL players hitting FA. I don't know a better player who's going to be on the market. PErsonally, I like bringing back in Pugh and Fluker and drafting Billy Price in round 2. And have Price battle with Jones for OC. Price ought to be a big upgrade at the center position and hopefully would help stabilize the line.

Flowers-FA-Price-Fluker-Pugh may be good enough.
RE: I like Zach Brown  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13726837 adamg said:
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I was shocked he got less than 3 mill from the skins. If they can lock him up for 3 years at under 12 mill, that'd be a steal imo.

Alfred Blue doesn't have impressive numbers. I know he's behind Miller, but I think there are a lot of better choices in FA at RB.

And I think re-signing Pugh is a necessary move. Yes, he'll cost a lot, but he's among the best OL players hitting FA. I don't know a better player who's going to be on the market. PErsonally, I like bringing back in Pugh and Fluker and drafting Billy Price in round 2. And have Price battle with Jones for OC. Price ought to be a big upgrade at the center position and hopefully would help stabilize the line.

Flowers-FA-Price-Fluker-Pugh may be good enough.


So we re-sign Pugh, Fluker and a LG? I hope we have enough cap room for that.
RE: RE: I like Zach Brown  
adamg : 12/5/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13726888 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13726837 adamg said:


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I was shocked he got less than 3 mill from the skins. If they can lock him up for 3 years at under 12 mill, that'd be a steal imo.

Alfred Blue doesn't have impressive numbers. I know he's behind Miller, but I think there are a lot of better choices in FA at RB.

And I think re-signing Pugh is a necessary move. Yes, he'll cost a lot, but he's among the best OL players hitting FA. I don't know a better player who's going to be on the market. PErsonally, I like bringing back in Pugh and Fluker and drafting Billy Price in round 2. And have Price battle with Jones for OC. Price ought to be a big upgrade at the center position and hopefully would help stabilize the line.

Flowers-FA-Price-Fluker-Pugh may be good enough.



So we re-sign Pugh, Fluker and a LG? I hope we have enough cap room for that.


If Fluker can be had for a similar deal to Jerry, I think it's doable.

Pugh's cap hit this year was around 9 mill, so I imagine a long term deal could be structured where the cap hit isn't significantly more.
RE: weak FA market in these positions  
old man : 12/6/2017 1:27 am : link
In comment 13726626 larryflower37 said:
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going to take a couple of drafts to get right


+1

It already was, and likely 3 unless they nab 2 immediately, and 1-2 none Giant FAs. When JR didnt draft OL in round 1 and 2/3 last year, that was the ultimate doom for this season. Most of all we need to use draft picks for young legs AND cap management. FA is to supplement.
RE: Fans  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13726458 Dragon said:
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Who is the one Giants FA you would spend money on I canít think of one help me please? Then consider only an ass whole wants to join a sinking ship even for Big money.


An ass whole? Not only are you an idiot, but you are illiterate. Go root for whatever high school hires Ben McAdoo and leave the adults alone.
Rare to find a worthy LT option via UFA  
JonC : 12/6/2017 10:31 am : link
I would've given the contract to Matt Khalil last Winter ...
RE: Fans  
djm : 12/6/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13726458 Dragon said:
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Who is the one Giants FA you would spend money on I canít think of one help me please? Then consider only an ass whole wants to join a sinking ship even for Big money.


I liked you better when you posted once a month or so.
RE: Rare to find a worthy LT option via UFA  
Breeze_94 : 12/8/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13727359 JonC said:
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I would've given the contract to Matt Khalil last Winter ...


Riley Rieff as well
Kevin Zeitler was the only FA OL that interested me last year  
Milton : 12/8/2017 10:39 pm : link
What kind of year has Zeitler had? Was he worth the money he was given ($12M/year, I think)? A quick Google shows that he received the Ed Block courage award from the Browns for fighting through a thumb injury all season.

I also liked Fluker once he was released (based solely on my love affair with him leading up to the 2013 draft). And before Marshall was signed, Robert Woods was the WR I had my eye on.

And speaking of Fluker and Marshall, neither was an UFA. My point being that OLs, LBs, and RBs not currently listed as UFA will become free agents over salary cap issues (and others currently listed as UFA will be re-signed before hitting the open market). It's premature to get worked up over who will and won't be available, the landscape will change between now and March.
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