Anyone else love this kid? Him and Odel would destroy the league together. I think most people have Rosen,Darnold and Mayfield ahead of him. If he is there I hope Gmen get him.
I know I'm in the minority, but I would take him in the top three or five.
He's different from some other mobile quarterbacks because he's also accurate. Has a good arm. He wants to be great, and puts in the work. A student of the game. Very smart.
Most people want to put him in a box and stereotype him is only an athlete, but I think he's different.
He has pocket presence, and extends place to throw, not just to run, although he will take off if need be.
I think the game is moving in a direction of having quarterback who can make plays and extend plays. That's part of the reason why I really like him. You'll be nice to have a guy who can make something happen when a play breaks down. Especially with the lack of offensive lineman on this team, and in the league.
I know some people have concern about his body type, and potential for injury, but he is 6'3", 212, has the frame to get much much bigger. I think he could easily pack on 20 pounds without losing speed or quickness.
I think he will really impress at the scouting combine, and I don't think he would make it to the 2nd round.
Honestly, I'd have no problem with him in the 1st. I think he's better than Rosen, and right there with Darnold.
I think the 1st round could have as many as total of 9 QB's taken: Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Mayfield, Allen, Thorson, Rudolph, Lock and Falk.
The ceiling is too high for me to pass on if its me. I know Darnold's stock is on the rise (especially around here) and I'm not opposed to taking him.. but Jackson is a very exiting prospect.
His athleticism is something we haven't seen at the QB position since Vick.
If I were a scout and I felt his accuracy could improve, I'd be all in on him.
Injury risk and accuracy concerns are real issues, but he is so dynamic. Given the overall decline in OL play across the league, you have to wonder if picking a pocket passer is the smart play anymore.
What good is a QB like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen if they can't consistently throw the ball where they need to?
That's usually one of the things that can't be "fixed". You either have it at this point or you don't.
His accuracy has improved over the past three years and is a more accurate than Allen. His accuracy issues are fixable because they are mechanical issues and not hand talent issues.
but he has the mobility and arm. He would probably go top 8 in a normal year but with all the QBs coming out I could see him dropping 10 spots. Ditto for Mayfield.
Both those guys could be real bargains
That’s the thing with Jackson, his pocket presence. He has done a lot in his three years to make strides as a pocket passer, but his pocket presence is a problem.
I disagree with this. That Louisville offensive line is awful, and has to go up against elite defensive lines like Maimi, FSU, NC State, Clemson, etc. He runs when he needs to.
One guy I really like outside the top 2 QBs is Drew Lock of Mizzou. Â
And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
They're asking him about video games and a lot of things that don't matter. It's an 18 year old kid. Sort of unfair to equate that interview to his ability to process an offense.
Seems like you're labeling him as stupid based on a 2 minute interview. Not really fair, IMO.
He's an 18 year old freshman in that video. That's a little harsh.
Maybe. I'm just saying it gives me pause. 18 years old isn't that young. But he comes across even younger than that.
There's something very likable about the kid in general, I admit that. And his athletic talent is electric. But if I was going to draft him, I'd put him through the paces very diligently.
They're very different styles of players, but it reminds me of Jeff George, who had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever for a QB and never reached his mammoth potential in terms of physical talent.
It's a position that requires IQ, EQ and communication skills in addition to talent. I'm just voicing a dissenting opinion of concern, that's all.
And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
I said nothing about his accent or his speaking skills. He got crossed up on whether his high school team lost one game or two. That's specifically the example I pointed to in the post you quoted.
Like I said, it's just a concern that I'm voicing. Isn't that how discussions work?
Conversely, guys like Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Nassib, Greg McElroy, and Todd Husak had exceptional Wonderlic scores.
To be a good QB, you have to first have the ability.
Of course I'd want to know how well he can learn and how well he can process information.
But if I'm not mistaken, Deshaun Watson posted the lowest Wonderlic score amongst last year's QB class. It sure didn't look like it mattered on the football field. On top of that, he's a first-class kid.
And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
I said nothing about his accent or his speaking skills. He got crossed up on whether his high school team lost one game or two. That's specifically the example I pointed to in the post you quoted.
Like I said, it's just a concern that I'm voicing. Isn't that how discussions work?
Everyone with this one interview. Maybe it's a public speaking issue?
Here is a scouting report on how he his picked up the offense and learned a complicated system quickly.
[Jackson] has huge talent and supreme toughness. His biggest issue is being consistent with his footwork because he's so physically gifted and he'll get away with a lot of stuff that bites him at other times. He has real arm talent. He's way more polished than Michael Vick coming out. Everybody's up in arms about his games against Houston and LSU without mentioning he had arguably the worst offensive line of any power-five school. Houston just exposed it as they were the first team to beat up on that [offensive] line. Versus LSU, Lamar was making Houdini escapes just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He had no chance in either game. His supporting cast was very average with just two NFL-caliber players in Jamari Staples and Cole Hikutini. Jackson can see the field and work through progressions. Watching him his freshman year to his sophomore season, his improvements from year to year were huge. Bobby Petrino is a very talented offensive mind, and Jackson had near-complete command of [Petrino's] system back in October, and that says a lot. [Jackson's Florida State] game was the most individually dominant performance of the season because that defense has multiple NFL players, including at least one first-rounder on every level, and [Jackson] looked like he was playing at a different speed than them.
Conversely, guys like Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Nassib, Greg McElroy, and Todd Husak had exceptional Wonderlic scores.
To be a good QB, you have to first have the ability.
Of course I'd want to know how well he can learn and how well he can process information.
But if I'm not mistaken, Deshaun Watson posted the lowest Wonderlic score amongst last year's QB class. It sure didn't look like it mattered on the football field. On top of that, he's a first-class kid.
All fair points. I'm not saying absolutely no to Jackson, just that I'd want to make sure that due diligence was performed in vetting him. We've seen a ton of college QBs (and college players in general) get by on ridiculous physical talent, only to flop in the NFL. Physically, I don't think there's any doubt that if Jackson isn't the MOST talented, he's at worst 2nd most talented. But I'd want to be sure that he has what it takes to move up to the next level.
Just like I'd want to make sure that Rosen has the desire to actually play football (which is a concern that many in the media have noted) and want to get an understanding of his comments over the summer. And I'd want to know why Mayfield seems to have lapses in maturity, often at extremely questionable times. And so on, with every potential QB selection. This one thing just happens to be my question mark with Jackson.
I don't disagree with any of that. I just wouldn't take much away from a 2 minute clip of Jackson at age 18 being mostly asked about which team he uses in NBA2k, etc.
The talent just jumps off the screen for me. He does some incredible things. He's riskier than someone like Darnold but I'd be 100% behind Jackson being the pick if our next GM so chose.
I don't disagree with any of that. I just wouldn't take much away from a 2 minute clip of Jackson at age 18 being mostly asked about which team he uses in NBA2k, etc.
The talent just jumps off the screen for me. He does some incredible things. He's riskier than someone like Darnold but I'd be 100% behind Jackson being the pick if our next GM so chose.
And I absolutely respect your right to disagree. Neither one of us will be making the selection either way, so we're just discussing it. Obviously I've gone on record with my concern, so I'll either be proven wrong or not. And if the Giants choose Jackson, I'll root every day to be proven wrong, and if they don't, I'll probably be indifferent about it except for when he plays against the Giants.
besides the injury probability is that you have to build the offense around his skill set. This means you have to find a mobile athletic backup with a similar skill set. The backup is far more important when you have a scrambling QB who will sustain far more hits than a pocket passer.
besides the injury probability is that you have to build the offense around his skill set. This means you have to find a mobile athletic backup with a similar skill set. The backup is far more important when you have a scrambling QB who will sustain far more hits than a pocket passer.
His body frame worries me. 6'3 212 lbs is like a frame of a WR not a QB. I mean Vick was 6'0 215 lbs and he got hurt. I like Jackons talent but I am worries about his frame playing the QB position.
I don't know the exact answer to this - but did HOU really build any sort of offense specifically for Watson? Were they running a different system against Jacksonville in Week 1 than they were from Weeks 2-8 when Watson took Savage's spot?
Obviously I think you want to maximize your QB's skillset by using him in an offense that does so. But it looked to me like Watson was able to thrive without the Texan offense really being specifically tailored to him.
However I am just concerned about the risk factor involved. If he is the pick I will not be upset but Jackson wouldn't be my top choice. If he is the selection then I think keeping Eli for another year is crucial. Let Eli start and mentor Jackson and Webb for a season. Jackson would benefit greatly from a year in the strength and conditioning program and learning from Eli on what it takes to be a professional starting QB in NY.
When we got Eli, we built the offense to fit his abilities. It'd be no different with Jackson.
And if you ask me, it's probably easier to build around a guy like Jackson than it is Eli. You just have to be capable and willing to do it. I think a key factor is to back (or any other mobile QB) up with two other mobile QBs capable of running the same offense. Fortunately, college football is overflowing with mobile quarterbacks.
We've got two really good tight ends that would be perfect in his offense. Remember what he did with Matt Schaub and Owen Daniels in Houston?
When I look at the offense and what we have that we know is good and cost controlled for a few years, the tight ends are the first thing that stands out.
The NFL is changing to a mobile QB league. Jackson is the only one of top 4 QB's that is mobile. his main problem is he list at 211 lbs. He will get killed at that weight just like RG3 and Watson (will) .
If he can put on 20 lbs and still be mobile -- he is the future.
Jackson is the best football player in the draft. However, not a QB. Â
He’s a risky bet; I don’t love his frame for his style, but he really is an incredible talent. I maintain he’s the most exciting dual threat I’ve ever seen at that level to watch. I’d put him above Vick, Cam, Vince Young, Mansfield and anyone else. If things break right he could have a huge ceiling. He’s worth a gamble but I’d trade down if you’re gonna do it
If Vick was the overall #1 pick, why is Jackson considered a second-rounder? He's every bit as electrifying a runner and more a polished passer than Vick was.
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Giantslifer : 12/6/2017 2:25 pm : link : reply
The NFL is changing to a mobile QB league. Jackson is the only one of top 4 QB's that is mobile
The NFL has had many successful QB's lately who aren't necessarily mobile, but offer escapeablility. Guys like Stafford, Ben, Rodgers, Wentz, Winston, Goff are a few who like to remain in the pocket but can evade the rush and extend plays.
Almost all of the top QB prospects for this draft have that attribute. Don't confuse QB's running the ball as being mobile while guys who prefer the pocket as statues.
If Vick was the overall #1 pick, why is Jackson considered a second-rounder? He's every bit as electrifying a runner and more a polished passer than Vick was.
Probably because of Vick, actually.
People probably view him more as a cautionary tale of a "scrambling QB" because he was never much of an a passer (even though he had a cannon arm) but I think Jackson can be better.
He's different from some other mobile quarterbacks because he's also accurate. Has a good arm. He wants to be great, and puts in the work. A student of the game. Very smart.
Most people want to put him in a box and stereotype him is only an athlete, but I think he's different.
He has pocket presence, and extends place to throw, not just to run, although he will take off if need be.
I think the game is moving in a direction of having quarterback who can make plays and extend plays. That's part of the reason why I really like him. You'll be nice to have a guy who can make something happen when a play breaks down. Especially with the lack of offensive lineman on this team, and in the league.
I know some people have concern about his body type, and potential for injury, but he is 6'3", 212, has the frame to get much much bigger. I think he could easily pack on 20 pounds without losing speed or quickness.
I think he will really impress at the scouting combine, and I don't think he would make it to the 2nd round.
Honestly, I'd have no problem with him in the 1st. I think he's better than Rosen, and right there with Darnold.
I think the 1st round could have as many as total of 9 QB's taken: Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Mayfield, Allen, Thorson, Rudolph, Lock and Falk.
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with Jackson's style of play that was able to stay healthy.
"Great point!" - Tom Brady, Drew Brews, Russell Wilson
The ceiling is too high for me to pass on if its me. I know Darnold's stock is on the rise (especially around here) and I'm not opposed to taking him.. but Jackson is a very exiting prospect.
His athleticism is something we haven't seen at the QB position since Vick.
If I were a scout and I felt his accuracy could improve, I'd be all in on him.
Who knew...
That's usually one of the things that can't be "fixed". You either have it at this point or you don't.
His accuracy has improved over the past three years and is a more accurate than Allen. His accuracy issues are fixable because they are mechanical issues and not hand talent issues.
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but he has the mobility and arm. He would probably go top 8 in a normal year but with all the QBs coming out I could see him dropping 10 spots. Ditto for Mayfield.
Both those guys could be real bargains
That’s the thing with Jackson, his pocket presence. He has done a lot in his three years to make strides as a pocket passer, but his pocket presence is a problem.
I disagree with this. That Louisville offensive line is awful, and has to go up against elite defensive lines like Maimi, FSU, NC State, Clemson, etc. He runs when he needs to.
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What's this have to do with his ability to learn an NFL offense?
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
And anyone who has watched a Petrino offense knows it's a complicated pro style type offense with multiple reads.
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
They're asking him about video games and a lot of things that don't matter. It's an 18 year old kid. Sort of unfair to equate that interview to his ability to process an offense.
Seems like you're labeling him as stupid based on a 2 minute interview. Not really fair, IMO.
Maybe. I'm just saying it gives me pause. 18 years old isn't that young. But he comes across even younger than that.
There's something very likable about the kid in general, I admit that. And his athletic talent is electric. But if I was going to draft him, I'd put him through the paces very diligently.
They're very different styles of players, but it reminds me of Jeff George, who had one of the worst Wonderlic scores ever for a QB and never reached his mammoth potential in terms of physical talent.
It's a position that requires IQ, EQ and communication skills in addition to talent. I'm just voicing a dissenting opinion of concern, that's all.
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
I said nothing about his accent or his speaking skills. He got crossed up on whether his high school team lost one game or two. That's specifically the example I pointed to in the post you quoted.
Like I said, it's just a concern that I'm voicing. Isn't that how discussions work?
To be a good QB, you have to first have the ability.
Of course I'd want to know how well he can learn and how well he can process information.
But if I'm not mistaken, Deshaun Watson posted the lowest Wonderlic score amongst last year's QB class. It sure didn't look like it mattered on the football field. On top of that, he's a first-class kid.
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And tell me that you are 100% confident that he can absorb an NFL offense. Link - ( New Window )
Not sure what this interview has to do with learning an NFL offense.
It's almost like you're saying "doesn't he sound unintelligent?"
Almost? No, that's exactly what I'm saying. And it's not about him sounding unintelligent - his answers come across as though he is unintelligent. He got crossed up on whether his high school lost one game or two. That doesn't give you pause?
You don't know the kid at all, how can you say this? Cause of his accent? He was an 18 year old in that video and probably had never done an interview before. Where your public speaking skills great at 18?
I said nothing about his accent or his speaking skills. He got crossed up on whether his high school team lost one game or two. That's specifically the example I pointed to in the post you quoted.
Like I said, it's just a concern that I'm voicing. Isn't that how discussions work?
Everyone with this one interview. Maybe it's a public speaking issue?
Here is a scouting report on how he his picked up the offense and learned a complicated system quickly.
[Jackson] has huge talent and supreme toughness. His biggest issue is being consistent with his footwork because he's so physically gifted and he'll get away with a lot of stuff that bites him at other times. He has real arm talent. He's way more polished than Michael Vick coming out. Everybody's up in arms about his games against Houston and LSU without mentioning he had arguably the worst offensive line of any power-five school. Houston just exposed it as they were the first team to beat up on that [offensive] line. Versus LSU, Lamar was making Houdini escapes just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He had no chance in either game. His supporting cast was very average with just two NFL-caliber players in Jamari Staples and Cole Hikutini. Jackson can see the field and work through progressions. Watching him his freshman year to his sophomore season, his improvements from year to year were huge. Bobby Petrino is a very talented offensive mind, and Jackson had near-complete command of [Petrino's] system back in October, and that says a lot. [Jackson's Florida State] game was the most individually dominant performance of the season because that defense has multiple NFL players, including at least one first-rounder on every level, and [Jackson] looked like he was playing at a different speed than them.
To be a good QB, you have to first have the ability.
Of course I'd want to know how well he can learn and how well he can process information.
But if I'm not mistaken, Deshaun Watson posted the lowest Wonderlic score amongst last year's QB class. It sure didn't look like it mattered on the football field. On top of that, he's a first-class kid.
All fair points. I'm not saying absolutely no to Jackson, just that I'd want to make sure that due diligence was performed in vetting him. We've seen a ton of college QBs (and college players in general) get by on ridiculous physical talent, only to flop in the NFL. Physically, I don't think there's any doubt that if Jackson isn't the MOST talented, he's at worst 2nd most talented. But I'd want to be sure that he has what it takes to move up to the next level.
Just like I'd want to make sure that Rosen has the desire to actually play football (which is a concern that many in the media have noted) and want to get an understanding of his comments over the summer. And I'd want to know why Mayfield seems to have lapses in maturity, often at extremely questionable times. And so on, with every potential QB selection. This one thing just happens to be my question mark with Jackson.
The talent just jumps off the screen for me. He does some incredible things. He's riskier than someone like Darnold but I'd be 100% behind Jackson being the pick if our next GM so chose.
The talent just jumps off the screen for me. He does some incredible things. He's riskier than someone like Darnold but I'd be 100% behind Jackson being the pick if our next GM so chose.
And I absolutely respect your right to disagree. Neither one of us will be making the selection either way, so we're just discussing it. Obviously I've gone on record with my concern, so I'll either be proven wrong or not. And if the Giants choose Jackson, I'll root every day to be proven wrong, and if they don't, I'll probably be indifferent about it except for when he plays against the Giants.
His body frame worries me. 6'3 212 lbs is like a frame of a WR not a QB. I mean Vick was 6'0 215 lbs and he got hurt. I like Jackons talent but I am worries about his frame playing the QB position.
Obviously I think you want to maximize your QB's skillset by using him in an offense that does so. But it looked to me like Watson was able to thrive without the Texan offense really being specifically tailored to him.
Perhaps it could be an RGIII/Cousins type of scenario - except I think Jackson can be a better player than RGIII.
Perhaps it could be an RGIII/Cousins type of scenario - except I think Jackson can be a better player than RGIII.
I think that is an enticing scenario. I’d be more willing to take the risk if we have a proven backup QB.
And if you ask me, it's probably easier to build around a guy like Jackson than it is Eli. You just have to be capable and willing to do it. I think a key factor is to back (or any other mobile QB) up with two other mobile QBs capable of running the same offense. Fortunately, college football is overflowing with mobile quarterbacks.
Perhaps it could be an RGIII/Cousins type of scenario - except I think Jackson can be a better player than RGIII.
If Jackson is the target then getting a coach like Gruden is even more important.
When I look at the offense and what we have that we know is good and cost controlled for a few years, the tight ends are the first thing that stands out.
We should be building around Engram and Ellison.
If he can put on 20 lbs and still be mobile -- he is the future.
Much of Jackson's value is rooted in the fact that he is a QB.
Terelle Pryor hasn't exactly been a gleaming example based on what happened in Washington this year.
It's weird nobody said Tannehill needed to play WR when he spent a season and a half at WR.
While playing with essentially D2 offensive lineman
Giantslifer : 12/6/2017 2:25 pm : link : reply
The NFL is changing to a mobile QB league. Jackson is the only one of top 4 QB's that is mobile
The NFL has had many successful QB's lately who aren't necessarily mobile, but offer escapeablility. Guys like Stafford, Ben, Rodgers, Wentz, Winston, Goff are a few who like to remain in the pocket but can evade the rush and extend plays.
Almost all of the top QB prospects for this draft have that attribute. Don't confuse QB's running the ball as being mobile while guys who prefer the pocket as statues.
Probably because of Vick, actually.
People probably view him more as a cautionary tale of a "scrambling QB" because he was never much of an a passer (even though he had a cannon arm) but I think Jackson can be better.