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Eli Manning and the Hall of Fame

UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 7:39 am
Curious what people think now about Eli and the HoF. I know there are many who think that outside of NY Eli isnít highly regarded by his peers and/or the media. I never believed that, just thought heís an easy guy to make fun of but was and is respected.

This whole ordeal in a way makes his HoF case a bit easier to diagnose. We just saw an outpouring of support thrown Eliís way from ex players, current players, guys in his draft class, and the media who usually eviscerates him. His fathers commments about knowijg Eli would be able to handle NY while at the same time saying Peyton wouldnít be able to do it was interesting as well. Interesting when you think about whatís happened the past week and how it willl effect his legacy.
Eli  
Dan_Soprano : 12/6/2017 7:52 am : link
Will be in the hall. I doubt he will be a first ballot shoe in, but his body of work speaks for itself. I believe it would be a harder fight to keep him out then get him in. After time people tend to remember the good times and achievements vs. the bad times.
he should make the hof  
George from PA : 12/6/2017 8:02 am : link
especially, if he has one more Super Bowl run
2 time Super Bowl MVP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2017 8:06 am : link
Almost top 10 in all passing statistics. He's a lock.
RE: 2 time Super Bowl MVP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13727072 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Almost top 10 in all passing statistics. He's a lock.


Top 10 in ALMOST all passing statistics*
Eli is first ballot hof  
Tuckrule : 12/6/2017 8:09 am : link
Starting 210 straight games. Passing yards. Touchdowns. Heís top 10. Postseason stats are odd the charts. I canít recall them off the top of my head but this past weekend. David Diehl on his morning show rattled off some amazing post season numbers. He called Eli the Andy pettitte of nfl playoffs.
Not to mention  
Tuckrule : 12/6/2017 8:11 am : link
He beat favre in lambeau. Beat the unstoppable packers with Rodgers in lambeau. Beat the mighty pats twice in the super bowl. I mean come on. You discuss nfl history 25 years from now it will be hard to keep Eli Manningís name out of that conversation
He's a lock but in all likelihood not first ballot...  
JCin332 : 12/6/2017 8:11 am : link
Now in the event he can somehow win one more SB then he is 1st ballot...
The 2 SB MVP's, the starting streak,  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 9:17 am : link
top 10 in yards and TD's should all be enough to get him in, but I am wary that the same press who couldn't wait to jump on him for any mistake will be the same guys who have to vote him in.
A lock in the sense  
Doomster : 12/6/2017 9:40 am : link
that he will eventually get in.....

It may take several years for it to happen.......

Just too many average seasons, losing seasons, and the the fact that 12 out of 14 seasons, he did not win a playoff game....and his only elite year, was not really elite statistically....

He will get in because of his iron man status(that was aided by rule changes that protected qb's) that helped him accumulate top 10 stats, but it won't be right away....two SB runs, is basically his career.....what ticks me off, is the failure of the front office, the last 5 years, that made it impossible for him to continue the magic of 2011.....He should have been in more playoff games these last 5 years....who knows what might have happened if he did?
Would to see Eli...  
mvftw : 12/6/2017 10:07 am : link
Pass Elway for the 6th spot this season. Needs just over 800 yds...
Im not questioning whether he will get in  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 10:15 am : link
at this point, I think he clearly will (however many years it takes). Iím more impressed with the level of support he received when he was previously made out to be a guy that no one outside of NY thought was all that great.

Heís clearly one of the leagues greatest ambassadors - you can count on 1 hand how many players would receive the same amount of outcry especially in NYC.
Eli should be in  
Knee of Theismann : 12/6/2017 11:02 am : link

JUST for his 2 super bowl wins (and super bowl MVPs) over Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck.


People forget how bad statistically Joe Namath was (career passer rating of 65.5? WOW.) But he's in the hall for that one guaranteed win in SB 3, and he wasn't even the MVP of that game.

Aikman didn't have as impressive stats as Eli, but he's in there thanks to 3 super bowl wins.

Eli's two legendary wins, 2nd longest starting streak by a QB, combined with being top 10 in all passing categories, plus the work he's done off the field (NFL man of the year)... theoretically he should be a lock.

The HOF has never been just reserved for guys who put up monster numbers year in and year out for 10-15 years. There are many factors to consider.
It's not the Hall of Stats.  
Motley Two : 12/6/2017 11:12 am : link
You can't tell the story of the NFL without him.

I think it will be a struggle but he will ultimately get in.  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/6/2017 11:14 am : link
As interest in football wanes, the opportunity to have 2 brothers, both multiple SB winners, both SB MVPs, in the HOF will sway the naysayers.

Also, I hope Eli Slobster is not a HOF voter.
I think heís very borderline...  
bw in dc : 12/6/2017 11:30 am : link
He had six weeks of out-of-mind play during the playoffs of 2008 and 2012.

Beyond that, heís been a sleep slightly above QB with longevity, and stats based on that longevity.

RE: Not to mention  
MotownGIANTS : 12/6/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13727077 Tuckrule said:
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He beat favre in lambeau. Beat the unstoppable packers with Rodgers in lambeau. Beat the mighty pats twice in the super bowl. I mean come on. You discuss nfl history 25 years from now it will be hard to keep Eli Manningís name out of that conversation


Exactly and true football X & O guys understood the Kilbride system it was never about high comp % now some of those INTs are strictly on Eli and the system but some are system based .... but that system allowed for miracles to happen ... High Risk - High Reward ... downside inconsistent results ... HoF bound though I think 2nd ballot (1st is debatable as the INTs will be debated)
This thread came up the other day  
Go Terps : 12/6/2017 11:34 am : link
I'll repost what I posted in that one:

I've always been of the opinion that if you have to make the case for someone as a Hall of Famer, that guy isn't a Hall of Famer. I think it comes down to being able to say it aloud: "Is "X" a Hall of Famer?" Anyone for whom the answer is not an immediate and resounding "YES!" is not a Hall of Famer.

Is Johnny Unitas a Hall of Famer? YES!

Is Jim Kelly a Hall of Famer? No.

By that standard I would say Eli is not. If we consider the Hall of Fame the highest possible individual honor that a player can receive, I would think it should only be bestowed upon those players so rare that they and their peers belong in a very small room. There's a room of quarterbacks (Montana, Unitas, Graham, Brady, and maybe a couple more) that is ultra-exclusive and does not include Eli.

But the Hall of Fame doesn't operate that way. It's been reduced to a conversation of "If so and so is in, such and such should also be in."

So by that standard, if guys like Jim Kelly, Aeneas Williams, and Cris Carter are in, Eli Manning is for damn sure a Hall of Famer.
RE: I think heís very borderline...  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13727483 bw in dc said:
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He had six weeks of out-of-mind play during the playoffs of 2008 and 2012.

Beyond that, heís been a sleep slightly above QB with longevity, and stats based on that longevity.


I will disagree with that. He was lights out all of 2011. 31st ranked defense, dead LAST in rushing - the only reason that team even sniffed the playoffs was Elisha Nelson Manning. He put that team on his back. It kills me how many so-called Giant fans will not acknowledge that.

He was also very good in 2009, '14 and '15. He played in an offense for most of his career that just was not QBR friendly. Yes, he has often turned the ball over too much, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
Eli and the HOF- another point of view  
Jack in MD : 12/6/2017 11:54 am : link

Check out article by Gregg Easterbrook on Tuesday Morning Quarterback site.
RE: Eli and the HOF- another point of view  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13727534 Jack in MD said:
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Check out article by Gregg Easterbrook on Tuesday Morning Quarterback site.


I haven't read it, but the next time Gregg Easterbrook has anything interesting to say will be the first.
Based on the amazing reaction around the league and media  
NyquistX3 : 12/6/2017 8:01 pm : link
when he was benched, I have to think he gets in. The reaction was unbelievable. A non-HOFer doesn't get that type of unanimous support, IMO.
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