So, let's say the defense plays lights out and the Giants run the table to end the season. This would cost the Giants a top five pick, but could it mean that this team has found a coach? Now, I doubt this happens, but this has been a crazy season like no other.
How would you all feel if this did happen and Spags was promoted to head coach going forward?
the Dave Brown era was tough
A lot of cultural problems in that locker room, look no further than the on field during games and the yucking it up behind Eli while he's close to tears talking about being benched. Idiots. The elitely paid DEs are no shows, the DBs clearly were in revolt against someone, a handful of them don't belong on the field at LB and FS.
I'd rather wipe the slate, keep the top 3 pick.
With McAdoo, the Giants kept the status quo/promoted from within coming off a losing season and those sort of things rarely work.
There is zero chance they do that again, which would mean essentially keeping a lot of the same coaching staff from TWO head coach firings
On D it will be interesting; I favor fewer lbs on the field anyway (5-0-6) and I wonder if Spags can consider something like that given street players at LB at this point anyway.
Spags only gets the future gig if he can LEAD. We will see.
With McAdoo, the Giants kept the status quo/promoted from within coming off a losing season and those sort of things rarely work.
There is zero chance they do that again, which would mean essentially keeping a lot of the same coaching staff from TWO head coach firings
Yeah this makes a lot of sense. It is a long shot no doubt, but if this sorry group runs the table and wins three division games that would be some coaching achievement.
we need a fresh start.
Every player needs to see that there is a brand new start. That the 2017 season has no continuity or connection with 2018.
Spags got the Rams to play hard even as the roof was caving in, so I would expect a more professional effort here in December. Mara is a big Spags fan, but the sequence of events that would put him in the HC spot in 2018 isn't likely to play out.
I hope he gets another DC gig so we can observe his whole Johnson fire zone scheme in the 2018 NFL with a roster not built by Reese and the NYG.
I consider myself a good fan but I have no idea who is good or not.
Are these opinion based on Inside information, research or just an educated guess as to what the dynamics of the team and Front Office are.
For example when you believe Mara meddles and his next choice will be influenced by who allows him that opportunity, what is it based on.
Inside knowledge or just perception.
The Giant offense is setup to fail with no running game or receivers, no matter who the qb is....one week is not enough time to change offensive philosophy....
The Giant's defense, at this moment is not a good match for Dallas....Dez must be doing cartwheels since Jenkins is not out there.....we have no pass rush and Dak will eventually find someone open.....Whitten just loves playing the New York Football Giants....
So the odds of us winning one of the next two? Practically zilch.....
Maybe against the Cards, we have a legit shot.....And the last game against Washington, neither team is playing for anything, except maybe Cousins wants a big game to sell himself.....
Another win would be a total screw up.....unless we get help from other teams....
It's not that I want them to lose, it's just that I don't think they have the ability to win....for the Giants to win, the opposition has to fall flat on it's face.....
Spag's has no shot at being HC...in fact, he has no shot at being on this team next year...if he is, and there is a new GM and HC, then the tentacles of Mara have not been retracted...
This season is just hard to swallow, without choking........
Players like him
He's now become a "Giants guy"
He has HC and DC experience
You have to admit he checks a lot of boxes, and he is lower risk since you know him already
Players like him
He's now become a "Giants guy"
He has HC and DC experience
You have to admit he checks a lot of boxes, and he is lower risk since you know him already
I agree that there is a chance he is kept.
The team doesn't need to win, just play hard and he needs to do the right thing for the organization with the QBs the rest of the year. Whatever that is.
However I think a fresh GM, scotuing dept etc & Coach crew is in order
it's his D that basically didnt' show up to start the season. only in Mara-world, because apparently they like him so much, would he even be getting an interview.
I'll skip him as HC...
1. Spags sucked as a head coach in St Louis. He created a negative environment in the locker room as well. Many of you guys may not know/remember that. Spags was also passed up by the Giants when they decided to give the job to McAdoo. What does that say about him? That they would go with a guy who was here for a cup of coffee vs Spags who already had head coaching experience AND was with this organization for a longer period of time including a successful season.
2. Webb... we saw what he is. Potential to be a solid backup and nothing more. Unless he comes out and lights it up and we finally score more than 20pts each week on offense... then we are drafting a QB.
What's Spags done since 2008? He's had one good successful campaign since then. One, and that was in 2016. HE was awful as a HC in St Louis. He was awful in New Orleans. He was awful in 2015 and 2017 here in NY. Mitigating factors? Sure....but he's still struggled.
If you're gonna bash Reese like there is no tomorrow you need to see the same issues with Spags and far too many here seem to give this guy a pass.
Time to move on people. Let Spags coach these last four games and at least restore some pride or order and then see you later. Thanks again. Bye.
What's Spags done since 2008? He's had one good successful campaign since then. One, and that was in 2016. HE was awful as a HC in St Louis. He was awful in New Orleans. He was awful in 2015 and 2017 here in NY. Mitigating factors? Sure....but he's still struggled.
If you're gonna bash Reese like there is no tomorrow you need to see the same issues with Spags and far too many here seem to give this guy a pass.
Thank you! Sure, let him finish the 4 games becuase somebody has to do it, but then GTFO! I don't understand why so many people are gargling this guy's balls.
Spagnuolo can help himself a lot this month, but I doubt these four games will have much bearing on the Giants' thinking.
What's Spags done since 2008? He's had one good successful campaign since then. One, and that was in 2016. HE was awful as a HC in St Louis. He was awful in New Orleans. He was awful in 2015 and 2017 here in NY. Mitigating factors? Sure....but he's still struggled.
If you're gonna bash Reese like there is no tomorrow you need to see the same issues with Spags and far too many here seem to give this guy a pass.
Exactly. I've been saying this since the Giants brought him back. He's a one-trick pony who can be successful as long as he has a front that can create pressure with 4 rushers. How many DC's wouldn't be successful with that? I will be disgusted if they hire him as HC. As little as I trust management right now, even they wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.
I get the sense that Mara wants a completely new direction and is done trying to squeeze out another run from any staff that won us SB's
Phew.
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I don't know why Reese got so bashed while Spags skates away scott free. Reese did more than Spags. That's just a fact. I get moving on from Reese, truly I do, but Spags needs to go too and yet far too many fans love this guy.
What's Spags done since 2008? He's had one good successful campaign since then. One, and that was in 2016. HE was awful as a HC in St Louis. He was awful in New Orleans. He was awful in 2015 and 2017 here in NY. Mitigating factors? Sure....but he's still struggled.
If you're gonna bash Reese like there is no tomorrow you need to see the same issues with Spags and far too many here seem to give this guy a pass.
Exactly. I've been saying this since the Giants brought him back. He's a one-trick pony who can be successful as long as he has a front that can create pressure with 4 rushers. How many DC's wouldn't be successful with that? I will be disgusted if they hire him as HC. As little as I trust management right now, even they wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.
Tim Lewis
Bill Sheridan
Perry Fewell
I don't see how anyone can hold the Saints against Spags. The team was heavily sanctioned and their head coach suspended-- unprecedented in the NFL. It's unfair to expect anyone to succeed in those circumstances.
There's a reason Jerry Reese spent $200m after 2015. We had no real talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Spags managed to field a great defense after losing Strahan and Osi. That tells me that he can make adjustments and cope with losing key personnel. No DC can succeed without some talent.
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I don't know why Reese got so bashed while Spags skates away scott free. Reese did more than Spags. That's just a fact. I get moving on from Reese, truly I do, but Spags needs to go too and yet far too many fans love this guy.
What's Spags done since 2008? He's had one good successful campaign since then. One, and that was in 2016. HE was awful as a HC in St Louis. He was awful in New Orleans. He was awful in 2015 and 2017 here in NY. Mitigating factors? Sure....but he's still struggled.
If you're gonna bash Reese like there is no tomorrow you need to see the same issues with Spags and far too many here seem to give this guy a pass.
Exactly. I've been saying this since the Giants brought him back. He's a one-trick pony who can be successful as long as he has a front that can create pressure with 4 rushers. How many DC's wouldn't be successful with that? I will be disgusted if they hire him as HC. As little as I trust management right now, even they wouldn't be stupid enough to do that.
Tim Lewis
Bill Sheridan
Perry Fewell
I don't see how anyone can hold the Saints against Spags. The team was heavily sanctioned and their head coach suspended-- unprecedented in the NFL. It's unfair to expect anyone to succeed in those circumstances.
There's a reason Jerry Reese spent $200m after 2015. We had no real talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Spags managed to field a great defense after losing Strahan and Osi. That tells me that he can make adjustments and cope with losing key personnel. No DC can succeed without some talent.
The truth is that some of you are unwilling to hold anything against him. He is above strutiny. It's never his fault.
It's amazing the lengths to which people will go to defend this guy. He has been hot and cold and his problems weren't only in New Orleans.
At best he is woefully inconsistent.
Tim Lewis
Bill Sheridan
Perry Fewell
I don't see how anyone can hold the Saints against Spags. The team was heavily sanctioned and their head coach suspended-- unprecedented in the NFL. It's unfair to expect anyone to succeed in those circumstances.
There's a reason Jerry Reese spent $200m after 2015. We had no real talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Spags managed to field a great defense after losing Strahan and Osi. That tells me that he can make adjustments and cope with losing key personnel. No DC can succeed without some talent.
I'll give you year 1 with the Saints, but what about year 2? Spags sucked in 2015 too. It wasn't until Reese signed OV, DRC, Jenkins and brought back JPP that Spags was successful. Perry Fewell's D did pretty well in the 2012 playoffs when they were finally healthy. Lack of talent on D has been an ongoing issue since 2012. Why does Fewell get killed for it, but Spags excused?
I don't see how anyone can hold the Saints against Spags. The team was heavily sanctioned and their head coach suspended-- unprecedented in the NFL. It's unfair to expect anyone to succeed in those circumstances.
There's a reason Jerry Reese spent $200m after 2015. We had no real talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Spags managed to field a great defense after losing Strahan and Osi. That tells me that he can make adjustments and cope with losing key personnel. No DC can succeed without some talent.
The truth is that some of you are unwilling to hold anything against him. He is above strutiny. It's never his fault.
It's amazing the lengths to which people will go to defend this guy. He has been hot and cold and his problems weren't only in New Orleans.
At best he is woefully inconsistent.
Your threshold for amazing is amazingly low.
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Tim Lewis
Bill Sheridan
Perry Fewell
I don't see how anyone can hold the Saints against Spags. The team was heavily sanctioned and their head coach suspended-- unprecedented in the NFL. It's unfair to expect anyone to succeed in those circumstances.
There's a reason Jerry Reese spent $200m after 2015. We had no real talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Spags managed to field a great defense after losing Strahan and Osi. That tells me that he can make adjustments and cope with losing key personnel. No DC can succeed without some talent.
I'll give you year 1 with the Saints, but what about year 2? Spags sucked in 2015 too. It wasn't until Reese signed OV, DRC, Jenkins and brought back JPP that Spags was successful. Perry Fewell's D did pretty well in the 2012 playoffs when they were finally healthy. Lack of talent on D has been an ongoing issue since 2012. Why does Fewell get killed for it, but Spags excused?
Year 2 with the Saints? I can't hold that against him either, since he was no longer a part of that organization.
When a rookie QB in San Fran carves up your guys...
Hit the road...