Vrabel

Good player and coach on the field, apparently progressing well as a DC and the BB influence/immersion is a positive.

In comment 13727407 JonC said:

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Good player and coach on the field, apparently progressing well as a DC and the BB influence/immersion is a positive.

I mentioned on another thread he is one of my top two choices. I think this guy has BB, Cowher, Parcells type of a future as a defense minded Head Coach!

Vrabel and DeFilippo are the most intriguing. Both have limited coaching experience though. I would personally love to see Vrabel coach Eli Apple. Vrabel would be on him from day one. Apple wouldn't last a week before he ran home crying to mommy.

I find Vrabel to be a pretty interesting candidate. I think I could get myself to be on board with it.

In comment 13727420 arcarsenal said:

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I find Vrabel to be a pretty interesting candidate. I think I could get myself to be on board with it.

This team needs a coach like him that won't tolerate any bs. He might be my favorite candidate among those with no HC experience. We would need to find a great OC though.

He came across as a really solid leader in practices, in the meeting rooms and on the sidelines.

To me he just screams old school and would command respect. Get him a good OC and he could possible be here for years.

....instance where 'Hard Knocks' makes a strong impression.

That's a big leap

is a positive and yet most of the people who have left NE have failed in their subsequent careers at all levels? I just don't see it. I'm less inclined to think any association with NE means success elsewhere because that is the track record. How can you be hopeful against the evidence?

Really trying to understand where this love affair with all things NE comes from...the success in that franchise has not traveled well when players, coaches, and GMs leave Foxboro for new jobs.

get down with a charter member of the 18-1 Club as our head coach.

Tedy Bruschi blocked me on twitter because of that comment back in 2011.

Vrabel was a quality NFL player under BB, to me that's a significant difference than betting on McD or Patricia. That his stint as DC is drawing quality reviews could be viewed as progress for a guy considered an old school football lifer who was destined to be a football coach. Your points are well taken otherwise.

that would be the end of Spags as DC

with John DeFilippo as OC assistant HC would be a nice start.

But not the direction I would go.

McDaniels.

In comment 13727461 Jay on the Island said:

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with John DeFilippo as OC assistant HC would be a nice start.

That would definitely be intriguing. I'm not sure you need to give the AHC title though - contrary to what most believe, that doesn't ensure that the Eagles would allow him to leave. NFL rules have two levels for coaches: head coach and assistant coach. The Eagles can block DeFilippo from leaving for anything other than a HC job if they so choose.

In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said:

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McDaniels.

Why?

In comment 13727480 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13727461 Jay on the Island said: Quote: with John DeFilippo as OC assistant HC would be a nice start. That would definitely be intriguing. I'm not sure you need to give the AHC title though - contrary to what most believe, that doesn't ensure that the Eagles would allow him to leave. NFL rules have two levels for coaches: head coach and assistant coach. The Eagles can block DeFilippo from leaving for anything other than a HC job if they so choose.

Oh I thought the assistant HC position also forced the Eagles to let him interview.

In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said:

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McDaniels.

This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long.

In comment 13727495 blueblood said:

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In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long.

I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here.

but if we are raiding the Pats, I want Patricia or to a lesser extent, McDaniels.

Being a hard ass and relating to players is all well and good, but we need someone who can design systems first of all. Someone who spends their time on Xs and Os, on either side of the ball. What are the traits that make Belichick successful? Relating to the players, or figuring out ways to leverage their individual talents?

This is one of the complaints about McAdoo: his offensive system was poorly designed (see any of Baldinger's criticisms, or just look at the stats).

In comment 13727501 jeff57 said:

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In comment 13727495 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long. I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here.

I don't think it's animosity. McDaniels didn't inspire confidence from his first HC job. It's quite a leap of faith that McDaniels learned from his mistakes during his return to NE. I am not saying that I am anti-McDaniels there are just several candidates that I prefer.

to whip these guys into shape, get rid of the bullshit, and get them playing hard again, Vrabel would absolutely be the guy to do that. Was around him at OSU, he is old school to the core and doesn't take any crap. A lot of the antics that's gone on this season with the defense would be handled very quickly.

Before a guy who has no pro playing experience and no HC experience on any level like McAdoo.

Note that things are not going too well for Adam Gase in his second year either. Jury is out on the first year hires like McVay. Still on the honeymoon.

is the Offensive/Special Teams Assistant for the Texans.

for the job, what they need is an offensive minded coach who will adapt the offense to the players and not try to jam his offensive philosophy down the players throats.

By Vrabel but it’s very risky

with Vrabel.

A guy who wears his cap backwards and wears trash talking tee shirts is unlikely to become the HC of the Giants.

In comment 13727545 Lowell said:

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A guy who wears his cap backwards and wears trash talking tee shirts is unlikely to become the HC of the Giants.

He looks like the type of person who knows "a guy" who is gonna tell him about the 6th race at Belmont every day.

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In comment 13727545 Lowell said: Quote: A guy who wears his cap backwards and wears trash talking tee shirts is unlikely to become the HC of the Giants. He looks like the type of person who knows "a guy" who is gonna tell him about the 6th race at Belmont every day.

Well hopefully the giants aren’t using looks as a coaching criteria

...its time they put aside the offensive gurus, and get back to take-no-prisoners, hard-ass football again. I want the Giant's defense to keep offensive coordinators up all night.

Don't really want to watch a guy with very little coaching experience learn NFL head coaching on the job.

He is a veteran OC and even though he didn't have a ton of success as a HC in Denver, that experience of failure, then going back to NE might be a good thing.

He has championship experience and after being around BB I feel he can run an NFL team and hopefully be a resourceful offensive mind. You need to know the strengths of your personnel and not one team has done that better than NE.

In comment 13727501 jeff57 said:

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In comment 13727495 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long. I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here.

McDaniels is way too close to a McAdoo clone. I don't know how people don't see that. In the same way that many said that McAdoo needed Rodgers to make his offense work, McDaniels has been an abject failure outside of the confines of the Patriots with Belichick above him and Brady to work with.

Vrabel seems like a good candidate but too early in his coaching development.

In comment 13727571 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13727501 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 13727495 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long. I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here. McDaniels is way too close to a McAdoo clone. I don't know how people don't see that. In the same way that many said that McAdoo needed Rodgers to make his offense work, McDaniels has been an abject failure outside of the confines of the Patriots with Belichick above him and Brady to work with.

This x1000

There are other teams out there other than the patriots. Let's take the blinders off. That well produces poisoned water.

In comment 13727571 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13727501 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 13727495 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long. I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here. McDaniels is way too close to a McAdoo clone. I don't know how people don't see that. In the same way that many said that McAdoo needed Rodgers to make his offense work, McDaniels has been an abject failure outside of the confines of the Patriots with Belichick above him and Brady to work with.

I guess it impresses me that McDaniels has rebounded to from the Denver failure to be the top young HC candidate in the NFL-something that Ben will likely never be. The guy seems to have learn his lesson and runs an offense that actually works.

In comment 13727632 Tony in Tampa said:

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In comment 13727571 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13727501 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 13727495 blueblood said: Quote: In comment 13727478 Victor in CT said: Quote: McDaniels. This mindset to me is mind boggling. Vrabel hasnt even been a co-ordinator very long. I don't get it either. Or the animosity to McDaniels so many seem to have on here. McDaniels is way too close to a McAdoo clone. I don't know how people don't see that. In the same way that many said that McAdoo needed Rodgers to make his offense work, McDaniels has been an abject failure outside of the confines of the Patriots with Belichick above him and Brady to work with. I guess it impresses me that McDaniels has rebounded to from the Denver failure to be the top young HC candidate in the NFL-something that Ben will likely never be. The guy seems to have learn his lesson and runs an offense that actually works.

Curious how you can determine that he has learned anything. After failing at HC in Denver, he went to Rams and failed at OC (albeit in short sting), then goes back to his old job where they were successful without him and continue to be successful with him back (nothing to show it has anything to do with him).

How, from that, do you get that he's learned and grown enough to be an HC?

To from the players. Brady screams obscenities at him on TV, the whole Peton Hillis and his wife rumors in Denver... and I don’t care if its a Tom Brady, they should had someone holding McDaniels back from getting in Brady’s face. Lost some face himself I believe.

Vrabel looks the part.

Sign him up

In comment 13727416 Jay on the Island said:

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Vrabel and DeFilippo are the most intriguing. Both have limited coaching experience though. I would personally love to see Vrabel coach Eli Apple. Vrabel would be on him from day one. Apple wouldn't last a week before he ran home crying to mommy.

I'm hoping the next coach gets Apple to play like a first-round draft pick, not run home to mommy. But that's just me, I guess.

In comment 13727846 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 13727416 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Vrabel and DeFilippo are the most intriguing. Both have limited coaching experience though. I would personally love to see Vrabel coach Eli Apple. Vrabel would be on him from day one. Apple wouldn't last a week before he ran home crying to mommy. I'm hoping the next coach gets Apple to play like a first-round draft pick, not run home to mommy. But that's just me, I guess.

I think we are all hoping that Apple plays to his talent level. I will refrain from making any jokes as I didn't realize that you were as sensitive as Eli Apple.